This is why I don't collect unopened boxes, but if I did, I would only collect boxes from a sealed case. Graders don't get it right 100% of the time.
But this was done right. Steve accurately inspected the box and deemed it contained unopened packs. And he was right. No one would have opened the box and then substituted all the cards in the packs with cards from one sheet.
This is why I don't collect unopened boxes, but if I did, I would only collect boxes from a sealed case. Graders don't get it right 100% of the time.
Just because a box is FASC doesn't mean it couldn't have happened the way it did. That 1979 box had to be FASC at one point in it's history. FASC boxes have their issues also.
I've stopped being the old man in the room saying everything s*cks and these kids are fools. If we applied the "value logic" to everything, then we wouldn't have those mega casinos in Vegas, sports gambling, the stock market, and the dancing girls clubs .
Since our society has evolved to the point where most of the unknown risks in life are gone, however I think people still have an innate need to take "risks". Breaking is just another form of gambling and if people enjoy it, have fun.
@ndleo said:
I've stopped being the old man in the room saying everything s*cks and these kids are fools. If we applied the "value logic" to everything, then we wouldn't have those mega casinos in Vegas, sports gambling, the stock market, and the dancing girls clubs .
Since our society has evolved to the point where most of the unknown risks in life are gone, however I think people still have an innate need to take "risks". Breaking is just another form of gambling and if people enjoy it, have fun.
Fair enough. However, there are reasonable risks and stupid risks. Breaking is a stupid risk. By way of example, buying a high end raw card from Greg Morris (or similar) at PSA 8/9 pricing and grading in hopes of a 9/10 is a reasonable gamble. In contrast, opening a box of 1980-81 Topps Basketball for $6,000 (or $12,000 pro rata at breaker pricing) is a stupid risk. You need two Bird/Magic 9s to break even on the box or four 9s to break even at breaker pricing. 10s are largely irrelevant at less than a .003 chance per card based on the current population report (which is likely skewed because people grade the nice ones, not the ugly ones). I assume the whole thing is premised on people vastly overestimating the chance of getting a 10. A good analogy would be slot machines that pay out at 10% to 20% rates. Not even Casinos would last at those odds.
I would buy from BBCE...They would never maliciously do something like that....I think they are a legit and honest company. But however, I do believe there are truly bad people out there who could make it look like an unopened C sheet....and once he started opening the C sheet everyone knew he wasn't going to get anything good...just luck of the draw....Its just the chance we take when buying sealed boxes....
By the way, a couple of years ago, I bought a 1985 Topps Baseball box from Steve and didn't get a McGwire.
Is it too late to ask for another box because I didn't get what I wanted?
He should just keep sending me boxes until I am happy.
It’s not a fair characterization to say that this guy asked for a refund because he didn’t like what he got in the box. Based on the fact that the cards in the box did not conform to usual collation patterns, it was not unreasonable of him to think the box might be bad. Even if it was a good box and the odd contents were Topps’ fault, I don’t blame him for being skeptical.
By the way, a couple of years ago, I bought a 1985 Topps Baseball box from Steve and didn't get a McGwire.
Is it too late to ask for another box because I didn't get what I wanted?
He should just keep sending me boxes until I am happy.
It’s not a fair characterization to say that this guy asked for a refund because he didn’t like what he got in the box. Based on the fact that the cards in the box did not conform to usual collation patterns, it was not unreasonable of him to think the box might be bad. Even if it was a good box and the odd contents were Topps’ fault, I don’t blame him for being skeptical.
I certainly see what you are saying and am sure the guy was bitterly disappointed, but it seems to me to be just that; he got a "bad" box and complained about it. He got a poorly collated box, even if it was "properly" collated, he might not have gotten the cards he wanted in the condition he wanted them, that's the reason it's a gamble ripping product.
I was unaware that Topps packaged their product this way, But as it has been mentioned, what if he had gotten a "hot" box containing cards from the Ozzie sheet?
When I bought my box, I realized there was no guarantee that there would be ANY gradeable cards, and there were not. Here's a link to my auction trying to get a couple of bucks back from the deal.
@JoeBanzai When I say a “bad” box, I mean a box that was resealed/made up. He seemed to think based on the unusual collation that Steve had certified an illegitimate box. That is the only issue here. If the box was legitimately created by Topps, he has to take his lumps. If Steve made a mistake, he should make it right. The only issue is ascertaining which of those situations occurred. And yes, if Steve is confident he didn’t make a mistake, I would tend to believe him.
If you're breaking vintage product you should be able to identify altered wax on your own and make a judgment about the box before you ever begin ripping it. Your judgment, coupled with the additional information of the source (BBCE), should be more than enough to quell any concerns by your viewers. And if you have concerns about the box, it should be returned before a single pack is opened.
Bad collation =/ evidence of searching/tampering. And if you can't authenticate unopened wax on your own, you shouldn't be holding vintage breaks.
@fsushaw said:
I would buy from BBCE...They would never maliciously do something like that....I think they are a legit and honest company. But however, I do believe there are truly bad people out there who could make it look like an unopened C sheet....and once he started opening the C sheet everyone knew he wasn't going to get anything good...just luck of the draw....Its just the chance we take when buying sealed boxes....
Jabs family has extended out is fan mail to 3 hour live sessions. This is where his "fans" just send him cards for him to either keep or to give to people who are Patreon supporters (they give him upwards of $5k a month) In addition, he pulls in around 1k in super chat donations for each one of his fan-mail videos
I'm absolutely baffled. I think people blindly refuse to see that this guy is a capitalist and doing everything he does to make money. Somehow they view him as this simple guy that just loves collecting and going to flea markets. I just don't get it.
Jabs family has extended out is fan mail to 3 hour live sessions. This is where his "fans" just send him cards for him to either keep or to give to people who are Patreon supporters (they give him upwards of $5k a month) In addition, he pulls in around 1k in super chat donations for each one of his fan-mail videos
I'm absolutely baffled. I think people blindly refuse to see that this guy is a capitalist and doing everything he does to make money. Somehow they view him as this simple guy that just loves collecting and going to flea markets. I just don't get it.
I guess this shows that there is a large subset of the hobby that is highly uneducated and easily manipulated. They have no idea this message board exists, nor do they care about its existence. They idolize YouTubers who are popular and will do anything to get their approval.
No, Steve should not have offered anything. He is a great guy and for him to give the guy $1000 credit is typical of the kind of guy Steve is. He has no idea what is in those packs, only if they have been opened or not. chaz
@chaz43 said:
No, Steve should not have offered anything. He is a great guy and for him to give the guy $1000 credit is typical of the kind of guy Steve is. He has no idea what is in those packs, only if they have been opened or not. chaz
This is why I don't collect unopened boxes, but if I did, I would only collect boxes from a sealed case. Graders don't get it right 100% of the time.
Just because a box is FASC doesn't mean it couldn't have happened the way it did. That 1979 box had to be FASC at one point in it's history. FASC boxes have their issues also.
@chaz43 said:
No, Steve should not have offered anything. He is a great guy and for him to give the guy $1000 credit is typical of the kind of guy Steve is. He has no idea what is in those packs, only if they have been opened or not. chaz
Wolfgang!
Hi Mike- always great hearing from the Stoneman!!
And I understand the name Wolfgang from your other post but it's really Horatio !!!! LOL
@chaz43 said:
No, Steve should not have offered anything. He is a great guy and for him to give the guy $1000 credit is typical of the kind of guy Steve is. He has no idea what is in those packs, only if they have been opened or not. chaz
Wolfgang!
Hi Mike- always great hearing from the Stoneman!!
And I understand the name Wolfgang from your other post but it's really Horatio !!!! LOL
@chaz43 said:
No, Steve should not have offered anything. He is a great guy and for him to give the guy $1000 credit is typical of the kind of guy Steve is. He has no idea what is in those packs, only if they have been opened or not. chaz
Good grief I've returned to 2008. What's up Chaz! PSA 6!
@PaulMaul said: @JoeBanzai When I say a “bad” box, I mean a box that was resealed/made up. He seemed to think based on the unusual collation that Steve had certified an illegitimate box. That is the only issue here. If the box was legitimately created by Topps, he has to take his lumps. If Steve made a mistake, he should make it right. The only issue is ascertaining which of those situations occurred. And yes, if Steve is confident he didn’t make a mistake, I would tend to believe him.
The whining guy obviously doesn't know what he is doing (I didn't know about how Topps did things either, until now), he got a box, as issued from Topps, and was unhappy with the collation. When I bought cards by the pack in the early 1970's, I didn't realize the cards were sold in "series", so I was ALWAYS mad because I didn't get a Killebrew (I did get a couple in 1972).
If he's going to set himself up as a "box breaker" it would be nice if he did some research before hand and understood what might happen. FAR too many people jump into this hobby for the wrong reasons and when things don't go the way they want them to go, they cry "no fair".
The card companies weren't making investment collectibles back in the day. I think they were just selling gum?
BTW, I am still waiting for someone to offer me a discounted 1985 box. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? ;-)
2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
@chaz43 said:
No, Steve should not have offered anything. He is a great guy and for him to give the guy $1000 credit is typical of the kind of guy Steve is. He has no idea what is in those packs, only if they have been opened or not. chaz
Good grief I've returned to 2008. What's up Chaz! PSA 6!
Hey Detroit! Waz up..... I have decided to drift in and out..... kind of like the medication I am on....
@PaulMaul said: @JoeBanzai When I say a “bad” box, I mean a box that was resealed/made up. He seemed to think based on the unusual collation that Steve had certified an illegitimate box. That is the only issue here. If the box was legitimately created by Topps, he has to take his lumps. If Steve made a mistake, he should make it right. The only issue is ascertaining which of those situations occurred. And yes, if Steve is confident he didn’t make a mistake, I would tend to believe him.
The whining guy obviously doesn't know what he is doing (I didn't know about how Topps did things either, until now), he got a box, as issued from Topps, and was unhappy with the collation. When I bought cards by the pack in the early 1970's, I didn't realize the cards were sold in "series", so I was ALWAYS mad because I didn't get a Killebrew (I did get a couple in 1972).
If he's going to set himself up as a "box breaker" it would be nice if he did some research before hand and understood what might happen. FAR too many people jump into this hobby for the wrong reasons and when things don't go the way they want them to go, they cry "no fair".
The card companies weren't making investment collectibles back in the day. I think they were just selling gum?
BTW, I am still waiting for someone to offer me a discounted 1985 box. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? ;-)
The guy is a dork..how would you like to buy a 1960 Topps GAI 9 vending box 1st series where many of the cards were miscut & 80 -90% OC for $7600.00 ......did I blame GAI ??? NO...sometimes you take it on the chin.
@chaz43 said:
No, Steve should not have offered anything. He is a great guy and for him to give the guy $1000 credit is typical of the kind of guy Steve is. He has no idea what is in those packs, only if they have been opened or not. chaz
Good grief I've returned to 2008. What's up Chaz! PSA 6!
Hey Detroit! Waz up..... I have decided to drift in and out..... kind of like the medication I am on....
chaz
Hey, what have you got? Since no one feels sorry for me, I could use some good meds! LOL Just kidding!
2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
@PaulMaul said: @JoeBanzai When I say a “bad” box, I mean a box that was resealed/made up. He seemed to think based on the unusual collation that Steve had certified an illegitimate box. That is the only issue here. If the box was legitimately created by Topps, he has to take his lumps. If Steve made a mistake, he should make it right. The only issue is ascertaining which of those situations occurred. And yes, if Steve is confident he didn’t make a mistake, I would tend to believe him.
The whining guy obviously doesn't know what he is doing (I didn't know about how Topps did things either, until now), he got a box, as issued from Topps, and was unhappy with the collation. When I bought cards by the pack in the early 1970's, I didn't realize the cards were sold in "series", so I was ALWAYS mad because I didn't get a Killebrew (I did get a couple in 1972).
If he's going to set himself up as a "box breaker" it would be nice if he did some research before hand and understood what might happen. FAR too many people jump into this hobby for the wrong reasons and when things don't go the way they want them to go, they cry "no fair".
The card companies weren't making investment collectibles back in the day. I think they were just selling gum?
BTW, I am still waiting for someone to offer me a discounted 1985 box. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? ;-)
The guy is a dork..how would you like to buy a 1960 Topps GAI 9 vending box 1st series where many of the cards were miscut & 80 -90% OC for $7600.00 ......did I blame GAI ??? NO...sometimes you take it on the chin.
chaz
OUCH!
2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
@chaz43 said:
No, Steve should not have offered anything. He is a great guy and for him to give the guy $1000 credit is typical of the kind of guy Steve is. He has no idea what is in those packs, only if they have been opened or not. chaz
Good grief I've returned to 2008. What's up Chaz! PSA 6!
Hey Detroit! Waz up..... I have decided to drift in and out..... kind of like the medication I am on....
chaz
Hey, what have you got? Since no one feels sorry for me, I could use some good meds! LOL Just kidding!
It sucks...makes me sleepy as hell....have to stay on it forever I was told by the doc.
Want to disclaim that I did not read through this entire chain, however from the diatribe I did, I feel asking for anything after ripping a box is the equivalent to stating they found a planted pube in it while ripping and walking out on the check/demanding a refund.
I can not imagine the look on the cashier’s face at Kay-Bee Toys or the gas station if i returned my opened packs and told them I was angry because I did not get my Cory Snyder rookie card.
I found the guy who does the rips to be entertaining; knows BB and the cards; he holds a continuous conversation with himself and I never feel bored by it.
On the other hand, I'm not in favor of him over stating the value of some of the cards he pulls.
The guy is pretty clueless about cards, gets all excited for uncut 90 baseball sheets, etc. Sounds like he has a little scam going on getting folks to chip into his enterprise. I'm not sure he always discloses to folks that they are being filmed. He WAY overvalues man junk era stars/rookies. For someone that spends as much time as he does looking for cards you would think he'd know more about their value
On the issue, feel like Steve has set a dangerous precedent, what would prevent other like buyers to request refund/partial refund on other boxes that don't yield "hits"?
@Mintacular said:
On the issue, feel like Steve has set a dangerous precedent, what would prevent other like buyers to request refund/partial refund on other boxes that don't yield "hits"?
Can everyone please stop pretending that the complaints about the original box were based simply on “not yielding hits?” The box was a complete anomaly in terms of its contents and collation. I don’t think Steve had any real obligation to do what he did, but his gesture was not unreasonable given what the box was like.
@Mintacular said:
The guy is pretty clueless about cards, gets all excited for uncut 90 baseball sheets, etc. Sounds like he has a little scam going on getting folks to chip into his enterprise. I'm not sure he always discloses to folks that they are being filmed. He WAY overvalues man junk era stars/rookies. For someone that spends as much time as he does looking for cards you would think he'd know more about their value
Can't argue with anything you've said Pat.
IMO, that's too bad - he could run a really good site since I find him to be interesting to listen to - he knows what's going on in BB right now - knows the players - who's on the DL e.g. - I find him far easier to listen to vs some of the others like vintage breaks and just rip it.
Someone else who would be really good if he decided to start an enterprise like this? Pack Geek aka Jeff aka Big80s.
@Mintacular said:
On the issue, feel like Steve has set a dangerous precedent, what would prevent other like buyers to request refund/partial refund on other boxes that don't yield "hits"?
Can everyone please stop pretending that the complaints about the original box were based simply on “not yielding hits?” The box was a complete anomaly in terms of its contents and collation. I don’t think Steve had any real obligation to do what he did, but his gesture was not unreasonable given what the box was like.
I see your point, but no, this was not a "complete anomaly" in any way, shape or form. It might not have been common practice, but Topps packaged cards in this "unusual" way from time to time.
Even though cards were collected and had some value in 1979, Topps did not put much effort into making sure the cards were even well cut, much less that boxes had a good mix of cards. In fact I would think the reverse could have been true. Get the kids to keep buying packs searching for their "guy".
How many people other than store owners bought complete boxes in the 1970's? You are buying product that when issued, no one cared if there were "bad" boxes. Kids bought a few packs and some were just fine with getting them all from "sheet three" if it had players from the home team.
So, yes, it's exactly about the box not yielding "hits". If everyone didn't know it before, (and I didn't) there is no guarantee that you will get cards from a variety of sheets in an unopened box. Of course you just might get a box with all the cards from a desirable sheet as well.
Three things can happen when you open ANY box of cards; bad box (most of the time, especially on older cards), OK box, or good box (probably not very often).
For those who enjoy (or try to profit on, especially) ripping boxes, they should realize there is no guarantee of getting even one single gradeable card. What's the difference in his box and mine? I bought a 1985 box and got no McGwire or Puckett cards and one off center Clemens that also has some kind of print spot on the back. None of the "star" cards looked like 10's. I didn't for one second consider making a big deal about it. I guess you could say a "bad" Clemens is better than none at all. Neither have any value.
The difference, as I see it, is that I didn't feel like I deserved some "hits" and he did.
Steve went far beyond the "extra mile" here to keep a customer happy. Since few people film their box breaks, it probably is not much of a dangerous precedent.
2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
There's no real precedent set. The next time someone opens a box that the entire process is COMPLETELY RECORDED ON CAMERA and the box contains cards ONLY FROM ONE SHEET and it happens to be the only sheet in existence that doesn't contain a single star/rookie/HOFer then maybe Steve will consider doing it again. But the odds of that happening are, what, 0.0000000000024%?
Besides, between the gesture and that sweet Ozzie the karma gods will reward Steve with increased business from those two videos to more than compensate him. Steve has his karma locked down tight. Nobody beats Steve in a karmathon.
Once the guy figured out that his "fans" can give him money via superchat he extends all his out and extra hour or two so he can maximize the amount of time to get more donation money. He makes $500+ in just about every one of his live stream videos. If you look at the history, before he made money this way his videos were much shorter.
This guy is a good scam artist. He has people completely buying into his act.
One of my favorite aspects of his scam is that he makes videos of himself as this clueless guy that loves junk era wax. in fact, the guy buys these boxes for like $5 a box and sends them out to his patreon supporters when they donate $50 or more. He's basically taking junk garbage wax and scamming his way to get 10x it's value. The amazing thing is the people being scammed thank him and go back for more.
What's your point Paul Maul? He didn't like all the non-stars and assumed something was wrong with the box. He clearly did no research on how 79 boxes could be collated
@ArtVandelay said:
Once the guy figured out that his "fans" can give him money via superchat he extends all his out and extra hour or two so he can maximize the amount of time to get more donation money. He makes $500+ in just about every one of his live stream videos. If you look at the history, before he made money this way his videos were much shorter.
This guy is a good scam artist. He has people completely buying into his act.
One of my favorite aspects of his scam is that he makes videos of himself as this clueless guy that loves junk era wax. in fact, the guy buys these boxes for like $5 a box and sends them out to his patreon supporters when they donate $50 or more. He's basically taking junk garbage wax and scamming his way to get 10x it's value. The amazing thing is the people being scammed thank him and go back for more.
"There's a sucker born every minute" P.T. Barnum was wrong, more like every second!
2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
@Mintacular said:
What's your point Paul Maul? He didn't like all the non-stars and assumed something was wrong with the box. He clearly did no research on how 79 boxes could be collated
I don't think any of us, except maybe the unopened experts here, would have fathomed the possibility that a box could have come out of the factory with cards from all one sheet. I don't know where anyone could have found that information by doing research.
Not defending Jabs, but my knee-jerk reaction if I opened a box that had duplicates of all the same players would be that something was not right with the box. The explanation we received made a lot of sense. The reason Steve gave him a discounted box, other than good PR with all of the people watching, is that Jabs buys a lot from BBCE, so I see the utility in throwing him a bone. I want a guy like that to keep buying from me. I don't think it creates a precedent.
I’ll wait for all the unopened experts to post about how many legit boxes they have seen over the years with cards from only one sheet. So far in this thread that hasn’t happened.
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But this was done right. Steve accurately inspected the box and deemed it contained unopened packs. And he was right. No one would have opened the box and then substituted all the cards in the packs with cards from one sheet.
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Just because a box is FASC doesn't mean it couldn't have happened the way it did. That 1979 box had to be FASC at one point in it's history. FASC boxes have their issues also.
I've stopped being the old man in the room saying everything s*cks and these kids are fools. If we applied the "value logic" to everything, then we wouldn't have those mega casinos in Vegas, sports gambling, the stock market, and the dancing girls clubs
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Since our society has evolved to the point where most of the unknown risks in life are gone, however I think people still have an innate need to take "risks". Breaking is just another form of gambling and if people enjoy it, have fun.
Fair enough. However, there are reasonable risks and stupid risks. Breaking is a stupid risk. By way of example, buying a high end raw card from Greg Morris (or similar) at PSA 8/9 pricing and grading in hopes of a 9/10 is a reasonable gamble. In contrast, opening a box of 1980-81 Topps Basketball for $6,000 (or $12,000 pro rata at breaker pricing) is a stupid risk. You need two Bird/Magic 9s to break even on the box or four 9s to break even at breaker pricing. 10s are largely irrelevant at less than a .003 chance per card based on the current population report (which is likely skewed because people grade the nice ones, not the ugly ones). I assume the whole thing is premised on people vastly overestimating the chance of getting a 10. A good analogy would be slot machines that pay out at 10% to 20% rates. Not even Casinos would last at those odds.
I would buy from BBCE...They would never maliciously do something like that....I think they are a legit and honest company. But however, I do believe there are truly bad people out there who could make it look like an unopened C sheet....and once he started opening the C sheet everyone knew he wasn't going to get anything good...just luck of the draw....Its just the chance we take when buying sealed boxes....
IMO if you do not trust Steve and BBCE than you should not buy any unopened product. BBCE has my 100% support.
I can't believe this thread.
By the way, a couple of years ago, I bought a 1985 Topps Baseball box from Steve and didn't get a McGwire.
Is it too late to ask for another box because I didn't get what I wanted?
He should just keep sending me boxes until I am happy.
It’s not a fair characterization to say that this guy asked for a refund because he didn’t like what he got in the box. Based on the fact that the cards in the box did not conform to usual collation patterns, it was not unreasonable of him to think the box might be bad. Even if it was a good box and the odd contents were Topps’ fault, I don’t blame him for being skeptical.
I certainly see what you are saying and am sure the guy was bitterly disappointed, but it seems to me to be just that; he got a "bad" box and complained about it. He got a poorly collated box, even if it was "properly" collated, he might not have gotten the cards he wanted in the condition he wanted them, that's the reason it's a gamble ripping product.
I was unaware that Topps packaged their product this way, But as it has been mentioned, what if he had gotten a "hot" box containing cards from the Ozzie sheet?
When I bought my box, I realized there was no guarantee that there would be ANY gradeable cards, and there were not. Here's a link to my auction trying to get a couple of bucks back from the deal.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143375816792?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Now we are having a debate over this guy's "problem".
If anyone feels sorry for me, please bid on my cards, "Boo-hoo, I didn't get a McGwire".
Steve went out of his way to help this guy, I would not have.
@JoeBanzai When I say a “bad” box, I mean a box that was resealed/made up. He seemed to think based on the unusual collation that Steve had certified an illegitimate box. That is the only issue here. If the box was legitimately created by Topps, he has to take his lumps. If Steve made a mistake, he should make it right. The only issue is ascertaining which of those situations occurred. And yes, if Steve is confident he didn’t make a mistake, I would tend to believe him.
If you're breaking vintage product you should be able to identify altered wax on your own and make a judgment about the box before you ever begin ripping it. Your judgment, coupled with the additional information of the source (BBCE), should be more than enough to quell any concerns by your viewers. And if you have concerns about the box, it should be returned before a single pack is opened.
Bad collation =/ evidence of searching/tampering. And if you can't authenticate unopened wax on your own, you shouldn't be holding vintage breaks.
Arthur
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This is funny.
You get me.
meanwhile....
Jabs family has extended out is fan mail to 3 hour live sessions. This is where his "fans" just send him cards for him to either keep or to give to people who are Patreon supporters (they give him upwards of $5k a month) In addition, he pulls in around 1k in super chat donations for each one of his fan-mail videos
I'm absolutely baffled. I think people blindly refuse to see that this guy is a capitalist and doing everything he does to make money. Somehow they view him as this simple guy that just loves collecting and going to flea markets. I just don't get it.
I guess this shows that there is a large subset of the hobby that is highly uneducated and easily manipulated. They have no idea this message board exists, nor do they care about its existence. They idolize YouTubers who are popular and will do anything to get their approval.
No, Steve should not have offered anything. He is a great guy and for him to give the guy $1000 credit is typical of the kind of guy Steve is. He has no idea what is in those packs, only if they have been opened or not. chaz
Wolfgang!
Not if you keep them sealed!
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Hi Mike- always great hearing from the Stoneman!!
And I understand the name Wolfgang from your other post but it's really Horatio !!!! LOL
chaz
Now.
Is that your name this month?
Good grief I've returned to 2008. What's up Chaz! PSA 6!
The whining guy obviously doesn't know what he is doing (I didn't know about how Topps did things either, until now), he got a box, as issued from Topps, and was unhappy with the collation. When I bought cards by the pack in the early 1970's, I didn't realize the cards were sold in "series", so I was ALWAYS mad because I didn't get a Killebrew (I did get a couple in 1972).
If he's going to set himself up as a "box breaker" it would be nice if he did some research before hand and understood what might happen. FAR too many people jump into this hobby for the wrong reasons and when things don't go the way they want them to go, they cry "no fair".
The card companies weren't making investment collectibles back in the day. I think they were just selling gum?
BTW, I am still waiting for someone to offer me a discounted 1985 box. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? ;-)
Hey Detroit! Waz up..... I have decided to drift in and out..... kind of like the medication I am on....
chaz
The guy is a dork..how would you like to buy a 1960 Topps GAI 9 vending box 1st series where many of the cards were miscut & 80 -90% OC for $7600.00 ......did I blame GAI ??? NO...sometimes you take it on the chin.
chaz
Hey, what have you got? Since no one feels sorry for me, I could use some good meds! LOL Just kidding!
OUCH!
It sucks...makes me sleepy as hell....have to stay on it forever I was told by the doc.
chaz
I had percocet after major ankle surgery. I was zoned out of my mind for weeks. I didn't enjoy it actually :-(
Want to disclaim that I did not read through this entire chain, however from the diatribe I did, I feel asking for anything after ripping a box is the equivalent to stating they found a planted pube in it while ripping and walking out on the check/demanding a refund.
I can not imagine the look on the cashier’s face at Kay-Bee Toys or the gas station if i returned my opened packs and told them I was angry because I did not get my Cory Snyder rookie card.
Side note.
I found the guy who does the rips to be entertaining; knows BB and the cards; he holds a continuous conversation with himself and I never feel bored by it.
On the other hand, I'm not in favor of him over stating the value of some of the cards he pulls.
Jabs is opening the replacement ($1000 off) box tonight live - streaming now -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26g1hQECu2A
From throw BBCE under the bus to party time. Ridiculous.
Do NOT LOOK HERE IF YOU DO NOT WANT SPOILERS...
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Glad this box worked out.
For anyone interested? There's a PSA 9 Oz at the BST - not mine. LINK
The guy is pretty clueless about cards, gets all excited for uncut 90 baseball sheets, etc. Sounds like he has a little scam going on getting folks to chip into his enterprise. I'm not sure he always discloses to folks that they are being filmed. He WAY overvalues man junk era stars/rookies. For someone that spends as much time as he does looking for cards you would think he'd know more about their value
On the issue, feel like Steve has set a dangerous precedent, what would prevent other like buyers to request refund/partial refund on other boxes that don't yield "hits"?
Can everyone please stop pretending that the complaints about the original box were based simply on “not yielding hits?” The box was a complete anomaly in terms of its contents and collation. I don’t think Steve had any real obligation to do what he did, but his gesture was not unreasonable given what the box was like.
Can't argue with anything you've said Pat.
IMO, that's too bad - he could run a really good site since I find him to be interesting to listen to - he knows what's going on in BB right now - knows the players - who's on the DL e.g. - I find him far easier to listen to vs some of the others like vintage breaks and just rip it.
Someone else who would be really good if he decided to start an enterprise like this? Pack Geek aka Jeff aka Big80s.
I see your point, but no, this was not a "complete anomaly" in any way, shape or form. It might not have been common practice, but Topps packaged cards in this "unusual" way from time to time.
Even though cards were collected and had some value in 1979, Topps did not put much effort into making sure the cards were even well cut, much less that boxes had a good mix of cards. In fact I would think the reverse could have been true. Get the kids to keep buying packs searching for their "guy".
How many people other than store owners bought complete boxes in the 1970's? You are buying product that when issued, no one cared if there were "bad" boxes. Kids bought a few packs and some were just fine with getting them all from "sheet three" if it had players from the home team.
So, yes, it's exactly about the box not yielding "hits". If everyone didn't know it before, (and I didn't) there is no guarantee that you will get cards from a variety of sheets in an unopened box. Of course you just might get a box with all the cards from a desirable sheet as well.
Three things can happen when you open ANY box of cards; bad box (most of the time, especially on older cards), OK box, or good box (probably not very often).
For those who enjoy (or try to profit on, especially) ripping boxes, they should realize there is no guarantee of getting even one single gradeable card. What's the difference in his box and mine? I bought a 1985 box and got no McGwire or Puckett cards and one off center Clemens that also has some kind of print spot on the back. None of the "star" cards looked like 10's. I didn't for one second consider making a big deal about it. I guess you could say a "bad" Clemens is better than none at all. Neither have any value.
The difference, as I see it, is that I didn't feel like I deserved some "hits" and he did.
Steve went far beyond the "extra mile" here to keep a customer happy. Since few people film their box breaks, it probably is not much of a dangerous precedent.
There's no real precedent set. The next time someone opens a box that the entire process is COMPLETELY RECORDED ON CAMERA and the box contains cards ONLY FROM ONE SHEET and it happens to be the only sheet in existence that doesn't contain a single star/rookie/HOFer then maybe Steve will consider doing it again. But the odds of that happening are, what, 0.0000000000024%?
Arthur
Besides, between the gesture and that sweet Ozzie the karma gods will reward Steve with increased business from those two videos to more than compensate him. Steve has his karma locked down tight. Nobody beats Steve in a karmathon.
Arthur
Once the guy figured out that his "fans" can give him money via superchat he extends all his out and extra hour or two so he can maximize the amount of time to get more donation money. He makes $500+ in just about every one of his live stream videos. If you look at the history, before he made money this way his videos were much shorter.
This guy is a good scam artist. He has people completely buying into his act.
One of my favorite aspects of his scam is that he makes videos of himself as this clueless guy that loves junk era wax. in fact, the guy buys these boxes for like $5 a box and sends them out to his patreon supporters when they donate $50 or more. He's basically taking junk garbage wax and scamming his way to get 10x it's value. The amazing thing is the people being scammed thank him and go back for more.
What's your point Paul Maul? He didn't like all the non-stars and assumed something was wrong with the box. He clearly did no research on how 79 boxes could be collated
"There's a sucker born every minute" P.T. Barnum was wrong, more like every second!
I don't think any of us, except maybe the unopened experts here, would have fathomed the possibility that a box could have come out of the factory with cards from all one sheet. I don't know where anyone could have found that information by doing research.
Not defending Jabs, but my knee-jerk reaction if I opened a box that had duplicates of all the same players would be that something was not right with the box. The explanation we received made a lot of sense. The reason Steve gave him a discounted box, other than good PR with all of the people watching, is that Jabs buys a lot from BBCE, so I see the utility in throwing him a bone. I want a guy like that to keep buying from me. I don't think it creates a precedent.
I’ll wait for all the unopened experts to post about how many legit boxes they have seen over the years with cards from only one sheet. So far in this thread that hasn’t happened.