@1970s said:
I remember that. I don't remember Randy smiling at the end of it. I guess he got as much of a kick out of it as Sparky Anderson did. Good stuff.
Yea I can’t remember if I saw it live or on Sportscenter but I definitely remember it. Obviously guys throw just as hard as Johnson did BUT with his height and long arms he just looks insanely intimidating.
Just want to get Whitey’s numbers up to be seen. That 2.75 career ERA is pretty impressive. Also, notable is the fact that he lost his 2nd and 3rd seasons to the Korean War. Lastly, he was a 3 game pitcher in a few World Series wins and it is said his failure to be just once cost Casey Stengel his job.
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@perkdog said:
Let’s tell it the way it is, Koufax is a hero since he played for the Dodgers
The same be said about Mantle. If he had played for Cleveland or Detroit, or anywhere else other than the Yankees, his cards would be worth a fraction of what they bring now.
Willie Mays was better than Mantle. He was as good or better in center field, and had more lifetime home runs. Both of them stayed around for a couple seasons too long.
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@perkdog said:
Let’s tell it the way it is, Koufax is a hero since he played for the Dodgers
The same be said about Mantle. If he had played for Cleveland or Detroit, or anywhere else other than the Yankees, his cards would be worth a fraction of what they bring now.
Willie Mays was better than Mantle. He was as good or better in center field, and had more lifetime home runs. Both of them stayed around for a couple seasons too long.
@perkdog said:
Let’s tell it the way it is, Koufax is a hero since he played for the Dodgers
The same be said about Mantle. If he had played for Cleveland or Detroit, or anywhere else other than the Yankees, his cards would be worth a fraction of what they bring now.
Willie Mays was better than Mantle. He was as good or better in center field, and had more lifetime home runs. Both of them stayed around for a couple seasons too long.
I’m not saying you are wrong about Mickey not being as good as Mays.
But the the Yankees might not be the Yankees without Mickey Mantle, either. The 1950s as a decade had a very big impact on baseball history for so many reasons, not the least of which was the Yankees dominance. Had Mickey been somewhere else and not NY, perhaps (as you suggested) Cleveland (who was pretty stacked in the early 50s) becomes the AL powerhouse team.
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@perkdog said:
Let’s tell it the way it is, Koufax is a hero since he played for the Dodgers
The same be said about Mantle. If he had played for Cleveland or Detroit, or anywhere else other than the Yankees, his cards would be worth a fraction of what they bring now.
Willie Mays was better than Mantle. He was as good or better in center field, and had more lifetime home runs. Both of them stayed around for a couple seasons too long.
I’m not saying you are wrong about Mickey not being as good as Mays.
But the the Yankees might not be the Yankees without Mickey Mantle, either. The 1950s as a decade had a very big impact on baseball history for so many reasons, not the least of which was the Yankees dominance. Had Mickey been somewhere else and not NY, perhaps (as you suggested) Cleveland (who was pretty stacked in the early 50s) becomes the AL powerhouse team.
The 1950’s was the greatest baseball era in my opinion, the Subway series, classic all time great players..
@perkdog said:
Let’s tell it the way it is, Koufax is a hero since he played for the Dodgers
The same be said about Mantle. If he had played for Cleveland or Detroit, or anywhere else other than the Yankees, his cards would be worth a fraction of what they bring now.
Willie Mays was better than Mantle. He was as good or better in center field, and had more lifetime home runs. Both of them stayed around for a couple seasons too long.
I don't disagree with ya. Playing in New York without a doubt helped add to Mantle's popularity and card values. But it was more than just that which adds to his baseball card value and overall popularity.
Let's tell it like it is some more. Mays was introverted and surly most of the time, usually all of the time. Who wants to be around that before or after the game? Mantle could get sort of arrogant on occasion, but for the must part he had a charm and charisma about him which few ballplayers in MLB history can match.
Mantle considering his limited education, was a fantastic story teller. I've listened to his interviews on Youtube, and he can take a conceivably boring baseball story, and make it quite interesting. Mays telling the same sort of story would put you to sleep in minutes. With Mantle, it's tough not to want to watch the entire interview.
Mantle was fun and exciting on and off the field. Mays was fun and exciting only on the field.
Yes, i agree Mays was a better ballplayer. However Mickey Mantle along the lines of Babe Ruth, was a tremendous goodwill ambassador for the game. Tough putting an exact price on that but for sure, Mickey Mantle was a much more valuable commodity to baseball than Willie Mays or any other player of his era.
@perkdog said:
Let’s tell it the way it is, Koufax is a hero since he played for the Dodgers
The same be said about Mantle. If he had played for Cleveland or Detroit, or anywhere else other than the Yankees, his cards would be worth a fraction of what they bring now.
Willie Mays was better than Mantle. He was as good or better in center field, and had more lifetime home runs. Both of them stayed around for a couple seasons too long.
I don't disagree with ya. Playing in New York without a doubt helped add to Mantle's popularity and card values. But it was more than just that which adds to his baseball card value and overall popularity.
Let's tell it like it is some more. Mays was introverted and surly most of the time, usually all of the time. Who wants to be around that before or after the game? Mantle could get sort of arrogant on occasion, but for the must part he had a charm and charisma about him which few ballplayers in MLB history can match.
Mantle considering his limited education, was a fantastic story teller. I've listened to his interviews on Youtube, and he can take a conceivably boring baseball story, and make it quite interesting. Mays telling the same sort of story would put you to sleep in minutes. With Mantle, it's tough not to want to watch the entire interview.
Mantle was fun and exciting on and off the field. Mays was fun and exciting only on the field.
Yes, i agree Mays was a better ballplayer. However Mickey Mantle along the lines of Babe Ruth, was a tremendous goodwill ambassador for the game. Tough putting an exact price on that but for sure, Mickey Mantle was a much more valuable commodity to baseball than Willie Mays or any other player of his era.
@perkdog said:
Let’s tell it the way it is, Koufax is a hero since he played for the Dodgers
The same be said about Mantle. If he had played for Cleveland or Detroit, or anywhere else other than the Yankees, his cards would be worth a fraction of what they bring now.
Willie Mays was better than Mantle. He was as good or better in center field, and had more lifetime home runs. Both of them stayed around for a couple seasons too long.
I don't disagree with ya. Playing in New York without a doubt helped add to Mantle's popularity and card values. But it was more than just that which adds to his baseball card value and overall popularity.
Let's tell it like it is some more. Mays was introverted and surly most of the time, usually all of the time. Who wants to be around that before or after the game? Mantle could get sort of arrogant on occasion, but for the must part he had a charm and charisma about him which few ballplayers in MLB history can match.
Mantle considering his limited education, was a fantastic story teller. I've listened to his interviews on Youtube, and he can take a conceivably boring baseball story, and make it quite interesting. Mays telling the same sort of story would put you to sleep in minutes. With Mantle, it's tough not to want to watch the entire interview.
Mantle was fun and exciting on and off the field. Mays was fun and exciting only on the field.
Yes, i agree Mays was a better ballplayer. However Mickey Mantle along the lines of Babe Ruth, was a tremendous goodwill ambassador for the game. Tough putting an exact price on that but for sure, Mickey Mantle was a much more valuable commodity to baseball than Willie Mays or any other player of his era.
@keets said:
just for the heck of it and since everyone is focused on Sandy Koufax and his really good six years, I thought I would do a comparison of Sandy Koufax vs. Bob Feller for their initial first six years in MLB.
Bob Feller, Age 17-22.
107-54/.664 winning percentage.
3.23 era.
117 complete games.
1,233 k's.
now, certainly Koufax had a rebirth or some type of conversion starting with the 1961 season because he flipped things around in one of the most amazing ways in all of MLB. Feller lost three years to Military Service but still maintained a winning percentage and era over his career close to this six year window though it seems clear that he "lost something" during those three years. what amazes me is the difference between the two in complete games.
each member can do the same for their "hero" but I think one thing is clear, to me at least. Sandy Koufax should be out of any GOAT conversation. he was a combination over his career of a below average pitcher and perhaps the best of his era. maybe we can agree that both offered a glimpse of what the best can look like for a brief time from either side of the hill.
The differences in complete games is probably due to the differences in the times and the way pitchers were used. That being the advent of the relief pitchers during Kofax's years as apposed to Feller's years.
The differences in complete games is probably due to the differences in the times and the way pitchers were used
that might be true to a point, but with everything else shown by those 6-year stats it's because Koufax was getting hammered in pretty much every outing. he just wasn't a very good pitcher at first, below average. consider: during the first six years of their careers Koufax completed less than 30% of his starts while Feller completed more than 70% of his starts.
@keets said: The differences in complete games is probably due to the differences in the times and the way pitchers were used
that might be true to a point, but with everything else shown by those 6-year stats it's because Koufax was getting hammered in pretty much every outing. he just wasn't a very good pitcher at first, below average. consider: during the first six years of their careers Koufax completed less than 30% of his starts while Feller completed more than 70% of his starts.
Koufax had control problems in his early years. And we all know what that means. A pitcher gets wild, and so instead of "pitching", he just focuses on grooving them over the plate and that's when MLB pitchers get "hammered" as you stated.
Somewhere along the way, Koufax learned to control that devastatingly fast curveball of his which was probably as unhittable a pitch as ever thrown in a baseball game.
That's one reason I give Koufax the GOAT. Having to win just one game with any pitcher in MLB history throwing his best game, I'll take Koufax over any other without hesitation.
@keets said:
Koufax threw 4-no hitters and 2-one hitters.
Ryan threw 7-no hitters and 12-one hitters.
I get that you are fixated on Sandy Koufax because of those great years, but in the whole big picture there are better choices.
Well said. In the big picture, there are better choices. Not that Koufax isn't a good choice. There are just better choices. It's comparable to picking your 1st team third baseman. Schmidt isn't a bad choice, there is just a better one. It's all about making the right choice.
I agree.
Like, who in their right mind would pass up Alex Rodriguez for some Phillies and Royals who were chumps by comparison?
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@keets said:
Koufax threw 4-no hitters and 2-one hitters.
Ryan threw 7-no hitters and 12-one hitters.
I get that you are fixated on Sandy Koufax because of those great years, but in the whole big picture there are better choices.
Well said. In the big picture, there are better choices. Not that Koufax isn't a good choice. There are just better choices. It's comparable to picking your 1st team third baseman. Schmidt isn't a bad choice, there is just a better one. It's all about making the right choice.
I agree.
Like, who in their right mind would pass up Alex Rodriguez for some Phillies and Royals who were chumps by comparison?
That is sort of a joke and I am aware of the long standing Schmidt-Brett debate that rages everywhere on the boards.
And before you dismiss A-Rod, remember he never failed a test.
He failed several.
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Is the chump the guy in full body armor who also threw the first punch?
In my neighborhood, the answer is yes. That’s called a fake tough guy where I come from.
And while I am a Yankee fan, I was unbothered seeing A-Rod get popped. I just think that was a very pansy move on the part of Varitek; the catchers job is to make sure it doesn’t escalate and not to do the escalating.
I had some respect for him before that move, too.
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Is the chump the guy in full body armor who also threw the first punch?
In my neighborhood, the answer is yes. That’s called a fake tough guy where I come from.
And while I am a Yankee fan, I was unbothered seeing A-Rod get popped. I just think that was a very pansy move on the part of Varitek; the catchers job is to make sure it doesn’t escalate and not to do the escalating.
I had some respect for him before that move, too.
Well considering your Boy was one of the biggest bush league players ever he deserved to get smashed like that. And it has nothing to do with being “Tough” btw since it’s going to immediately get broken up anyways. No idea where your from but where I come from “Tough” means going outside to throw punches 1 on 1 without anyone there to break it up.
@keets said:
Koufax threw 4-no hitters and 2-one hitters.
Ryan threw 7-no hitters and 12-one hitters.
I get that you are fixated on Sandy Koufax because of those great years, but in the whole big picture there are better choices.
Well said. In the big picture, there are better choices. Not that Koufax isn't a good choice. There are just better choices. It's comparable to picking your 1st team third baseman. Schmidt isn't a bad choice, there is just a better one. It's all about making the right choice.
I agree.
Like, who in their right mind would pass up Alex Rodriguez for some Phillies and Royals who were chumps by comparison?
I always thought of Rodriguez as a shortstop. I maintain that Jeter's incredible selfishness in insisting on remaining at short when the Yankees acquired a vastly superior defensive shortstop really hurt the team. This is likely too far off topic, though.
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Yea I can’t remember if I saw it live or on Sportscenter but I definitely remember it. Obviously guys throw just as hard as Johnson did BUT with his height and long arms he just looks insanely intimidating.
I wasn't that thrilled in 1965.
Nice to see Perkdog and 1970s still getting along well after their honeymoon.
BTW - I received the postcard, i forget which Caribbean Island it came from, but it was very sweet.
Who gives a chit, it was an All Star game.
They were just having fun out there.
i'm just glad the "bird killing" throw from Johnson wasn't posted which would have been about the hundredth damn time on this forum.
😂😂😂
Didn't someone show a picture of lawnmowerman with his hand on another man's leg?
Where is Matt?? 🤷♂️
I checked his profile, and it says his last login was July 7th. It's weird that he hasn't logged on even once in over two weeks.
Walking to the National?
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Just want to get Whitey’s numbers up to be seen. That 2.75 career ERA is pretty impressive. Also, notable is the fact that he lost his 2nd and 3rd seasons to the Korean War. Lastly, he was a 3 game pitcher in a few World Series wins and it is said his failure to be just once cost Casey Stengel his job.
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The same be said about Mantle. If he had played for Cleveland or Detroit, or anywhere else other than the Yankees, his cards would be worth a fraction of what they bring now.
Willie Mays was better than Mantle. He was as good or better in center field, and had more lifetime home runs. Both of them stayed around for a couple seasons too long.
I agree with you
Not without his lawnmower
I’m not saying you are wrong about Mickey not being as good as Mays.
But the the Yankees might not be the Yankees without Mickey Mantle, either. The 1950s as a decade had a very big impact on baseball history for so many reasons, not the least of which was the Yankees dominance. Had Mickey been somewhere else and not NY, perhaps (as you suggested) Cleveland (who was pretty stacked in the early 50s) becomes the AL powerhouse team.
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The 1950’s was the greatest baseball era in my opinion, the Subway series, classic all time great players..
We work hard to keep it that way. We take "inconsiderate" classes starting in grade school.
I don't disagree with ya. Playing in New York without a doubt helped add to Mantle's popularity and card values. But it was more than just that which adds to his baseball card value and overall popularity.
Let's tell it like it is some more. Mays was introverted and surly most of the time, usually all of the time. Who wants to be around that before or after the game? Mantle could get sort of arrogant on occasion, but for the must part he had a charm and charisma about him which few ballplayers in MLB history can match.
Mantle considering his limited education, was a fantastic story teller. I've listened to his interviews on Youtube, and he can take a conceivably boring baseball story, and make it quite interesting. Mays telling the same sort of story would put you to sleep in minutes. With Mantle, it's tough not to want to watch the entire interview.
Mantle was fun and exciting on and off the field. Mays was fun and exciting only on the field.
Yes, i agree Mays was a better ballplayer. However Mickey Mantle along the lines of Babe Ruth, was a tremendous goodwill ambassador for the game. Tough putting an exact price on that but for sure, Mickey Mantle was a much more valuable commodity to baseball than Willie Mays or any other player of his era.
Basically Mantle was as American as Apple Pie
Also, Mickey was white and Willie was not and that also makes a huge difference.
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And that's a good thing.
The differences in complete games is probably due to the differences in the times and the way pitchers were used. That being the advent of the relief pitchers during Kofax's years as apposed to Feller's years.
Back when men were men Jon
The differences in complete games is probably due to the differences in the times and the way pitchers were used
that might be true to a point, but with everything else shown by those 6-year stats it's because Koufax was getting hammered in pretty much every outing. he just wasn't a very good pitcher at first, below average. consider: during the first six years of their careers Koufax completed less than 30% of his starts while Feller completed more than 70% of his starts.
As usual, 1970s jumps the shark with his silly OT nonsense.
One OT insult can be cool and funny. Two isn't. It becomes trollish. Capiche?
Koufax had control problems in his early years. And we all know what that means. A pitcher gets wild, and so instead of "pitching", he just focuses on grooving them over the plate and that's when MLB pitchers get "hammered" as you stated.
Somewhere along the way, Koufax learned to control that devastatingly fast curveball of his which was probably as unhittable a pitch as ever thrown in a baseball game.
That's one reason I give Koufax the GOAT. Having to win just one game with any pitcher in MLB history throwing his best game, I'll take Koufax over any other without hesitation.
Trolls just can't help themselves. They are incorrigible.
Enjoy yourself. LOL
Koufax threw 4-no hitters and 2-one hitters.
Ryan threw 7-no hitters and 12-one hitters.
I get that you are fixated on Sandy Koufax because of those great years, but in the whole big picture there are better choices.
I agree.
Like, who in their right mind would pass up Alex Rodriguez for some Phillies and Royals who were chumps by comparison?
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That is sort of a joke and I am aware of the long standing Schmidt-Brett debate that rages everywhere on the boards.
And before you dismiss A-Rod, remember he never failed a test.
He failed several.
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Speaking of Chumps...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IGuF-Wy_QUc
Is the chump the guy in full body armor who also threw the first punch?
In my neighborhood, the answer is yes. That’s called a fake tough guy where I come from.
And while I am a Yankee fan, I was unbothered seeing A-Rod get popped. I just think that was a very pansy move on the part of Varitek; the catchers job is to make sure it doesn’t escalate and not to do the escalating.
I had some respect for him before that move, too.
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Well considering your Boy was one of the biggest bush league players ever he deserved to get smashed like that. And it has nothing to do with being “Tough” btw since it’s going to immediately get broken up anyways. No idea where your from but where I come from “Tough” means going outside to throw punches 1 on 1 without anyone there to break it up.
I always thought of Rodriguez as a shortstop. I maintain that Jeter's incredible selfishness in insisting on remaining at short when the Yankees acquired a vastly superior defensive shortstop really hurt the team. This is likely too far off topic, though.