TrueView VS YourView

FullHorn

I am sure I spent 100 times longer than PCGS did to try and capture a good pic of this coin. It gave me an appreciation for the
TrueView pictures they deliver. This is the only example I have with a TrueView. It would be interesting to see more examples.

TrueView

My View

smokincoin

To me, they're equally good pics of a very nice buff. Take pride knowing that the plastic made yours harder!

ilmcoins

Yeah, I have wondered how long it actually takes them to take the photos.

thisistheshow

Which do you feel is most accurate?

skier07

I like your picture better. I find the white spot on the obverse of the TV to be mildly distracting.

FullHorn

@thisistheshow said:
Which do you feel is most accurate?

My obverse and TruView reverse. Neither show the luster you see in hand.

DIMEMAN

Beautiful Buffalo.

lkeigwin

I probably have a hundred examples.

True Views have the advantage of shooting raw coins. No plastic. No glare, no slab scratches. Perfect focus and lighting.

OTOH, Phil and staff have to move fast. They shoot several hundred images each day. Twice that at shows. I give them a lot of credit.

To the OP, I think you did excellent work. I love your photos.
Lance.

ricko

@FullHorn... Your pictures are excellent.... remember, the TruView photographers do it hundreds of times a day, with equipment set up for the process....Very nice Buff as well.... Cheers, RickO

jesbroken

Beautiful Buff. Both photos are well done. Thanks for sharing.
Jim

PCGSPhoto

@ilmcoins said:
Yeah, I have wondered how long it actually takes them to take the photos.

It depends, but typically under a minute. At our last NOLA show I shot over 900 coins in one day as an extreme example. It’s tough. We don’t have the time to make edits to the images after the fact either, the process of cropping and placing the obverse and reverse on the template is also automated.

blu62vette

I have looked through my set and have very few truview examples.

This NEWP does have the true views.

And the trueview:

WingedLiberty1957

TrueViews by Phil Arnold, a supreme talent at capturing raw coins.
Slab shots by Robec, the best private (non pcgs related) through-the-slab coin photographer I've ever seen.

WingedLiberty1957

TrueViews by Phil Arnold, a supreme talent at capturing raw coins.
Slab shots by Robec, the best private (non pcgs related) through-the-slab coin photographer I've ever seen.

WingedLiberty1957

TrueViews by Phil Arnold, a supreme talent at capturing raw coins.
Slab shots by Robec, the best private (non pcgs related) through-the-slab coin photographer I've ever seen.

BryceM

Like Lance, I have tons of examples. Better or worse are in the eye of the beholder. I prefer to think that they're just different ways to see the same thing. Here are a few:

RogerB

Both the OP photos are good. Personally, the top one looks a little too dark.

messydesk

The TV team has an advantage with shooting raw, but I have an advantage in throughput requirements.

robec

I have several examples as well. Phil does such an incredible job, especially when you consider he finishes a coin in less than a minute. I'm lucky if I can finish a coin in an hour.

oih82w8

Nice colorful buffalo! Most of my coins have either trueviewed or I have one of our forum talents image my coins for me.

ilmcoins

@PCGSPhoto said:

@ilmcoins said:
Yeah, I have wondered how long it actually takes them to take the photos.

It depends, but typically under a minute. At our last NOLA show I shot over 900 coins in one day as an extreme example. It’s tough. We don’t have the time to make edits to the images after the fact either, the process of cropping and placing the obverse and reverse on the template is also automated.

@PCGSPhoto have you posted any tutorials on photographing coins? I am most interested in your lighting setup and how/if you alter it for different coins.

CircCam

asheland

I only currently have one coin with a true-view:

asheland

I like the true view, but my picture is a LOT more accurate as to what it looks like in hand. Both are cool for me:

CircCam

FullHorn

New one. I think I am getting better. The coin changed holders so it has two trueViews.

spacehayduke

Troo Vyoo

SH View

kaz

Since Phil images the coins outside the slab, does anyone know if he uses axial lighting, or a ringlight?

messydesk

@kaz said:
Since Phil images the coins outside the slab, does anyone know if he uses axial lighting, or a ringlight?

Yes. Phil knows.

lkeigwin

@kaz said:
Since Phil images the coins outside the slab, does anyone know if he uses axial lighting, or a ringlight?

Phil does not use axial lighting. Never has. We didn't talk about ring lights but I seriously doubt it.
Lance.

RedstoneCoins

@PCGSPhoto said:

@ilmcoins said:
Yeah, I have wondered how long it actually takes them to take the photos.

It depends, but typically under a minute. At our last NOLA show I shot over 900 coins in one day as an extreme example. It’s tough. We don’t have the time to make edits to the images after the fact either, the process of cropping and placing the obverse and reverse on the template is also automated.

I would be VERY interested in learning your lighting and focus adjustment setup.

What lighting system do you use, copy stand, microfocus servo (if any), etc?

Eagleguy

Sometimes I don't do too bad but I still have trouble capturing the "surface texture" that the true views show.

coinhack

Nice photos, all. Color is so hard to shoot.

Electricity

Tru-View IMO is much better than some of these over-edited photos of,”DMPL” that some sellers on the Bay Have.
Not to derail the thread,
but can someone explain to me why the 1825 CBH is only a 62+ and not higher. From the photo looks well struck and only a few smudge marks.

Also blue62vette, would you mind revealing the grade of the 1893?

I am really enjoying practicing my grading ability from the photos
Was thinking AU55?

kbbpll

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1630Boston

oih82w8

I am very appreciative of Phil's ( @pcgsphoto ) talent and utilize it on my submissions.

Fairlaneman

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Ken

DIMEMAN

Lately I have been taking the TV's into Photoshop to get it right and on varieties I add a close-up and the label. Phile gets the detail right, but the color is usually off...especially on Mercs.

morgansforever

Image from the PCGS website.

My image.

neildrobertson

I've only been photographing coins with secure plus photos, which are..not great. So I look pretty good in comparison. Generally my photos are more true to life than Truview.

Secure Plus

Me

blu62vette

@Electricity said:
Tru-View IMO is much better than some of these over-edited photos of,”DMPL” that some sellers on the Bay Have.
Not to derail the thread,
but can someone explain to me why the 1825 CBH is only a 62+ and not higher. From the photo looks well struck and only a few smudge marks.

Also blue62vette, would you mind revealing the grade of the 1893?

I am really enjoying practicing my grading ability from the photos
Was thinking AU55?

The 1893 is PCGS 61PL. Very tough coin.

Electricity

Thanks for the response, I was thinking PL, but also thinking PCGS does not give the PL to circulated coins... Hence My thought of AU55

I looked on HA at their pictures and can see how the devices pop off the fields indicating a strong strike, albeit flat in certain areas on the reverse.

Congrats on the coin, I would be proud to own it!

FullHorn

Bump this old thread to appreciate the body of work of the TrueView artist,

Barberian

Seller's photo of 74-S WB4

TrueView of 74-S WB4

Realistic view of 74-S WB4

More juiced than even the seller's photo. I literally did not recognize the coin when I pulled it out of my SDB.

DON'T DO THIS!

Dropdaflag

This is my latest. TV is too bright. Looks like mine in hand.

neildrobertson

Trueviews are looking a little yellow these days. The color balance on mine isn't perfect but it looks pretty true to life. PCGS is looking a bit yellow/red compared to in hand.

neildrobertson

Unrelated to light color, my methods have improved since I posted in this thread 4 years ago. They came out similarly. I'd say the trueview got a couple minor things better like focus. Mine made the color pop a little more without any post-processing and I picked the correct side as the obverse.

Trueview

Me

Catbert

Seller's pic (Goldberg Auctions - ridiculous)

TruView

@robec pic

This is why I use Bob because I want my pics to be more accurate. I have many more examples where the TV color was just off (yet they do score on a few of mine).

sedulous

True View

My Nikon D7500 Macro Set-up

• Tim

FlyingAl

I have also found that TVs tend to be on the yellow side, but that's just the photographer's touch really. The work they do is wonderful.