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So does this qualify as a colonial to you?

WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

Just arrived from Heritage:

We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
--Severian the Lame

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,256 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OT, but I, like all Americans, focus on 1776 as the year of our independence, but when I was in England I noticed that they recognized 1783 as the significant year, since that is when the war ended with the British surrender.

  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I collect foreign coins that may have been in use during colonial times and the early 19th century as part of my colonial type set, so - YES AND A GREAT COIN, CONGRATULATIONS! A defined 1776 type set set would be a very cool collecting goal.

  • earlycoinsearlycoins Posts: 282 ✭✭✭

    Pretty example

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,070 ✭✭✭✭✭

    nice example indeed. I like the silver ones as well

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,094 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It qualifies as wicked cool to me, even with King George's ugly mug.

  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see the Guinea as a type coin of the United Kingdom. I can easily discern between my siblings and my cousins.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NO !!!! Dump it now. I can save you the PP fees. :)

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin. I have one of that year also.

  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like that it hasn't been messed with wiping and skinny dipping.

    @JBK said:
    OT, but I, like all Americans, focus on 1776 as the year of our independence, but when I was in England I noticed that they recognized 1783 as the significant year, since that is when the war ended with the British surrender.

    The British didn't really recognise American independence until the cessation of the War of 1812 in 1815, until then they thought those skanky miscreant colonials would get their act together and come back into the British empire.

    Tir nam beann, nan gleann, s'nan gaisgeach ~ Saorstat Albanaich a nis!
  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,256 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SaorAlba said:
    The British didn't really recognise American independence until the cessation of the War of 1812 in 1815, until then they thought those skanky miscreant colonials would get their act together and come back into the British empire.

    Yes, they partially burned the White House and the President barely escaped in his horse-drawn carriage.

    The breakup must have been really bad, as the Brits do not include us in the family of former colonies that participate in the Commonwealth Games. :D

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a mere pound, a Guinea. Nice original looking coin.

  • nencoinnencoin Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭✭

    Congratulations on the acquisition. I absolutely love that coin. For your sake I'm glad I didn't notice it, otherwise you might have had to pay an extra bid increment or two. ;)

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    Pretty coin, but not really a colonial. There were not that many British gold coins in the American British colonies. Most of the gold coins were Spanish Empire pieces.

    Agree. Britain didn't allow export of it's money to the American Colonies and also didn't allow the Colonies to mint their own coins. It's been reported one reason the Massachusetts shillings are all dated 1652, regardless of the date minted, is that if the British ever found out, Massachusetts could claim none were made since 1652. Britain also didn't have a natural source of gold or silver, while Spain did through it's colonies in the Americas. Trade with the West Indies (here Hamilton was born and raised) is what brought Spanish coinage into the US.

  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @SaorAlba said:
    The British didn't really recognise American independence until the cessation of the War of 1812 in 1815, until then they thought those skanky miscreant colonials would get their act together and come back into the British empire.

    Yes, they partially burned the White House and the President barely escaped in his horse-drawn carriage.

    The breakup must have been really bad, as the Brits do not include us in the family of former colonies that participate in the Commonwealth Games. :D

    I rather believe that no invites have been coming my way since I have several ancestors that fought vs. the British. Miscreant Scots anyway. >:)

    Tir nam beann, nan gleann, s'nan gaisgeach ~ Saorstat Albanaich a nis!
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 3, 2019 6:23PM

    @BillJones said:
    Pretty coin, but not really a colonial. There were not that many British gold coins in the American British colonies. Most of the gold coins were Spanish Empire pieces.

    @BillDugan1959 said:
    I see the Guinea as a type coin of the United Kingdom. I can easily discern between my siblings and my cousins.

    LOL. Sometimes it's really just fishing for a compliment and not meant to be taken literally.

    The correct answer, of course, is that it's literally the coolest coin you guys saw today. :)

    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nencoin said:
    Congratulations on the acquisition. I absolutely love that coin. For your sake I'm glad I didn't notice it, otherwise you might have had to pay an extra bid increment or two. ;)

    Whoa no. I overpaid for this one already. I doubt anyone else is dumb enough to pony up for this coin what I did :(

    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Absolutely, see the World Coins in Early Americas set

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful coin Weiss..... right time period, but not sure that any of those coins actually circulated here...might have...Cheers, RickO

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,729 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's an uber cool coin. B) There's something magical about 1776.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice looking piece.
    Lot of meat on those bones for a 55 too.
    And I agree that 1776 is just cool. Picked up this inexpensive one just for the year
    and ended up with several pieces from this series.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting the date is “J776” using a “J” for a “1”. The obverse has an “I” so I’m wondering why they didn’t use an actual “1” or a “I”.

  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interestingly, this piece was apparently sold raw back in December of last year through Roland Auctions in NY.
    In their auction listing, they noted the toning and graded it MS63. Now I like the coin whatever the grade is. And I'm fine with our hosts's 55. But I think a case could be made for a 58...

    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,685 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @golden said:
    Nice coin. I have one of that year also.

    So do I only not as nice. It belonged to to worderful gentleman, Lenny Finn, who belonged to the Collectors Club of Boston and the Boston Numismatic Society.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a beauty, Weiss!

  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    Interesting the date is “J776” using a “J” for a “1”. The obverse has an “I” so I’m wondering why they didn’t use an actual “1” or a “I”.

    Good question. I've also seen the letter "I" used instead of "J". The 18th century medalist Jean Dassier, signed as "ID" for instance.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In classical Latin, they are the same: Iupeter or Jupiter.

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