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181 Years Ago Today Dahlonega Mint Strikes First Coins

JJSingletonJJSingleton Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

On April 17, 1838 the United States Branch Mint at Dahlonega Georgia minted their first coins. Yours truly, Joseph J. Singleton - Superintendent :) recorded that David H. Mason - Coiner minted 80 Half Eagles. The local town folk called them "shiners" as they had never seen such newly minted gold coins before. Maybe the one below was one of them. ;)

In celebration post some Dahlonega Mint historical facts or lore. And of course, post your D-Mint coins.

Joseph J. Singleton - First Superintendent of the U.S. Branch Mint in Dahlonega Georgia

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  • JJSingletonJJSingleton Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BryceM

    Super nice original piece, exactly the way I love them. <3

    Joseph J. Singleton - First Superintendent of the U.S. Branch Mint in Dahlonega Georgia

    Findley Ridge Collection
    About Findley Ridge

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 17, 2019 2:36PM

    Here's a page from the Dahlonega die shipment book beginning 1839. I don't have the data for 1838 although there is a reference about mid-page on the left. (The facing page has a very faint pencil annotation relating to 1838 dies, but quality of the original image is too poor to permit deciphering.)

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,145 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coins! That 38-D is ex Bass IIRC

  • JJSingletonJJSingleton Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ronyahski

    That pretty much sums up what was going on at the time. Your comment regarding Singleton depositing the gold for the first 80 is new to me. Can you tell me your source?

    Joseph J. Singleton - First Superintendent of the U.S. Branch Mint in Dahlonega Georgia

    Findley Ridge Collection
    About Findley Ridge

  • Walt_AltmenWalt_Altmen Posts: 184 ✭✭✭

    Never knew Dahlonega had a mint. Too cool.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A common point of contention between officers of the three southern mints was who was entitled to live in the residential apartment.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2019 6:53AM

    Are all 1838 eagles incomplete or ratty ? The D reverse looks as if the engraver forgot to finish the wings.

  • Walt_AltmenWalt_Altmen Posts: 184 ✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    A common point of contention between officers of the three southern mints was who was entitled to live in the residential apartment.

    Love it!

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,231 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2019 12:00PM

    Yep...but not the individual mint's fault. Kneass' eagle looks like he's molting or got in a fight and lost.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1838 was the last last year for that $5 gold design, and Gobrecht probably figured it was not worth the effort to refurbish a design punch that was headed for the scrap heap.

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  • LJenkins11LJenkins11 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some really nice pieces in here. Thanks for sharing.

  • ilmcoinsilmcoins Posts: 525 ✭✭✭✭

    @asheland said:
    My humble but very appreciated single example:

    Love it

  • Winchester1873Winchester1873 Posts: 201 ✭✭✭✭

    @spacehayduke - stunning coins and photography!! It’s coin porn (can I say that and not get kicked off the forum??!!)

  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    Yep...but not the individual mint's fault. Kneass' eagle looks like he's molting or got in a fight and lost.

    That is mostly because the 1838-D half eagle dies suffered damage early in production and the reverse dies were heavily polished to minimize it. Much detail was lost. It was not from a clash. The reverse die was polished before the obverse, and only a small percentage of coins were struck with no polishing evident on either die.

    Though I am trying to give Kneass an out, the eagle still could've used another feather or two in the design.

    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great thread... I do not have any Dahlonega gold... but they sure do look nice....Maybe I should convert some of my stack to a D gold coin... ;) Cheers, RickO

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,426 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin. Some day I'll get one along with a charlete

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There was evidently confusion about the status of the Dahlonega Mint as late as mid-March 1861. That region of Georgia, as well as much of Appalachia, was opposed to slavery and resisted initial efforts by states to appropriate federal property.

    "Mint of the United States,
    Philadelphia,
    March 19, 1861

    Hon. Salmon P. Chase.
    Sec. of the Treasury
    Washington City
    Sir,
    I enclose a requisition from the Superintendent of the Branch Mint at Dahlonega, Georgia, for twenty three hundred dollars, payable out of the balance of the appropriation made for the support of that institution. With this requisition I received from the Supt. the usual monthly statements and reports, and also the coins reserved for the annual assay for the month of February. It thus appears that, notwithstanding the revolutionary proceedings in the State of Georgia, the branch mint at Dahlonega continues to recognize itself as a branch of the Mint of the United States, and complies with the laws, and with the regulations, prescribed for the transaction of its business. This being the case I have deemed it proper to approve the requisition made by the Superintendent, and respectfully recommend that a draft for the amount asked for, on the Assistant Treasurer U.S. at Charleston S. C. be sent to the Superintendent.

    I take this occasion to call your attention to my letters of the 18th and 23rd ulto., respecting the operations of the branch mint at New Orleans. I respectfully suggest to you, whether it is not desirable that some official announcement should be made of the fact that the coin of that institution was not the lawful coin of the United States; and also whether some effort should such be made to retrieve the coining dies which were heretofore provided for that branch of the Mint.

    I have the honor to be,
    With great respect,
    Your faithful servant,
    James Ross Snowden.
    Director of the Mint.

    RG104 entry 216 vol 21

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 19, 2019 8:21AM

    Were the 1861-D dollars made after April 8, 1861?

    "April 30, 1861.
    to: Hon. Salmon P. Chase.

    On the 8th of April (inst) the branch mint at Dahlonega ceased to be conducted under the
    authority of the United States, having been seized by orders of the Governor of Georgia. And now we have similar information as to the branch at Charlotte. Thus all the branch mints in the Southern States have practically ceased to be branches of the principal mint, and, being conducted in an unlawful manner, the coins issued therefrom are not the lawful coins of the United States. In my communications of the 18th and 23rd of February last I made some recommendations on this subject to which I beg to call the attention of the Department. The views then expressed now apply to all the branches above named. In my opinion it would be proper that a proclamation should be made, declaring the Coins of 1861, issued by the above named revolutionary and illegal mints, to be no longer the lawful coins of the United States; and that they are therefore not a legal tender in the payment of debts. These coins, as indicated in a former communication, may be known by the Mint Mark below the Eagle, or the wreath, on the reverse side of the pieces: the letter O indicating the branch at New Orleans; D Dahlonega; C Charlotte."

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm loving this thread!

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There was evidently confusion about the status of the Dahlonega Mint as late as mid-March 1861. That region of Georgia, as well as much of Appalachia, was opposed to slavery and resisted initial efforts by states to appropriate federal property.

    It might be more accurate to say that they were opposed secession. There certainly were people though out the South who opposed slavery, and some them were concentrated in specific regions, but I’m not sure that you can say that northern Georgia was controlled by abolitionists.

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 19, 2019 11:13AM

    Folks in Northern Georgia and Appalachia were not abolitionists in the sense used in New York or Boston. They objected to slavery because slaves took work away from local people. During the off-season, slave owners, including Ga's senior Senator, rented their "property" to mine owners. This severely limited demand and pay for the labor of free men and women. This depressed local and regional economies that were built on free immigrant populations.

    Many Georgians were redeemed indentured servants and must have remembered difficulties of their own servitude -- although nothing like the prevalent slave situation.

  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    Here is an example of the 1839-D Quarter eagle which was the first $2.50 the Dahlonega Mint made. From what I've read, the personnel at the Dahlonega didn't like making quarter eagles because they had trouble setting up the press.

    They had trouble calibrating the striking pressure of the larger steam toggle press for the smaller quarter eagle. Also, they clashed the dies from the start, as all 1839-D quarter eagles have die clash marks, as well as a cracked reverse die.

    Dahlonega was essentially forced to strike the quarter eagles. Mint Director Patterson refused their request to continue striking 1838 half eagles into the 1839 calendar year. The newly designed Coronet half eagle dies were not received until early April 1839. Gold deposits piled up, so quarter eagles were struck starting in February and through the date the new half eagle dies arrived. Only half eagles were minted for the rest of the year.

    The quarter eagles were not popular with the public either. As of August 1840, eighteen months after they were first struck, all of the 1839-D quarter eagles sat in the branch mint's safe.

    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 19, 2019 10:56PM

    Getting C and D gold into circulation was a considerable problem. Neither area had a vibrant economy and Dahlonega was literally a backwater. The Treasury created a bullion fund for each mint but it was kept at Philadelphia. This allowed mine owners to deposit gold at the closest mint, get a receipt, then receive the coins in Philadelphia at the miner's convenience. (Patterson did not like this approach which meant the government had to ship coins from C & D north to get them into circulation.) This was much safer than getting local C and D coins, and miners had a real city in which to spend their money. Goods were then shipped back south.

    This left the two isolated gold-only mints struggling with assay, refining and manufacture responsibilities, but no place for their coins to go.

  • earlyAurumearlyAurum Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are my two D coins. The 39-D is ex Spacehayduke courtesy of DWN.

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,145 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,179 ✭✭✭✭✭



    I'm really enjoying reading the historical information in this thread!

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1852-D is graded AU-55.


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  • JJSingletonJJSingleton Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mrcommem - Great looking 39-D Five. Tougher date than most realize. And I'm a huge fan of obverse mint marks.

    Joseph J. Singleton - First Superintendent of the U.S. Branch Mint in Dahlonega Georgia

    Findley Ridge Collection
    About Findley Ridge

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @skier07 said:

    I love that one!!!

  • Winchester1873Winchester1873 Posts: 201 ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019 10:58AM

    @mrcommem - looks like a very nice 1839-D $5, Winter Variety 1-A ("D over 3” obverse) - a scare bonus!!

  • mrcommemmrcommem Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevenwalden said:
    @mrcommem - looks like a very nice 1839-D $5, Winter Variety 1-A ("D over 3” obverse) - a scare bonus!!
    I bought this coin from DWN It has an almost proof-like surface to it so it shows every little nick.

    The 49 is a former RYK coin. The picture doesn't do the coin justice. Its the most beautiful Dahlonega coin I have ever seen.

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