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How brave are you?
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The holder seems to have a bunch of scratches making it hard to determine from your pics. I would say that this coin has had a lot of eyes on it with the same thoughts. I do see wear, I think, indicating that the 58 is accurate. If the marks are contact and bag marks and there is no wear then it's MS. I think I see a bit of rub (wear) above her ear and on the eagle's breast feathers.
good luck if you do!
I'd leave as is.
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I think I see a bit of rub (wear) above her ear.
Good eyes Bob.
This is a beauty but you'll not feel satisfied until you crack 'er out. However, it might be safer to leave it alone. I wouldn't have the courage to do it, do you?
Send it in as is and see if it crosses.
A few dollars is cheaper then sending back to NGC.
IMO, your coin will not grade higher than AU if you send it anywhere. It is a shame that PL is not given to AU's by ALL the services as PCGS is not the only one to treat PL's that way. Keep it as is unless you prefer the PCGS holder.
The obverse is AU (and even looks cleaned or burnished based on the photo), the reverse looks MS. I suspect the coin may have been mounted in a jewelry item at one time, perhaps a western style string tie. I would not buy it as an AU58, let alone an MS.
I’d leave well enough alone.
It looks like an AU58PL to me. I certainly wouldn’t risk losing the PL by crossing and I don’t think it would upgrade, but sending back to NGC seems like a better idea if you really want to roll the dice in some way.
I agree with @david3142, I would not send it to PCGS and risk it coming back as just an AU-58 and losing the PL designation. You have more to gain by sending it back to NGC to try and get an MS PL grade and then possibly trying to cross over at that point. If it never makes it out of AU, then you at least retain the PL designation with NGC.
The coin appears "maxxed out" in that holder - I would leave it.
I definitely see rub on the coin and would keep it where it is at. Odds are that it would come back as a AU55 from PCGS.
I'm in the AU camp also. I think PCGS would 55 it.
Send to NGC for review and see if it upgrades to MS then cross if the plastic is so important, personally I don't see it as MS and as a buyer wouldn't pay MS money for it regardless of the label.
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You are the only one seeing it hand, but I am in the AU camp. As far sending it to PCGS...it all depends if you want to put it in the Registry or not. And is the vam on the holder? If not do you want it on the holder?
Leave it as is.
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I like it as a 58PL
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I think is fine as is. leave it be. jmo
Well, the verdict is in. It stays in the NGC holder. I burned myself a few months ago trying the same trick...I'll never be a crackout artist, that's for sure.
@coin22lover Are these the pics you shared before where you were getting multiple responses that it looks MS?
Good decision @coin22lover, I was just about to post my opinion that it looks AU to me.
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I think you should keep it as is.
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Yes, they are..but just in case, here are some more that I just snapped. Not the best, but...
@coin22lover I just took a look at your other thread, and you were getting totally different answers. Interesting.
If you are not afraid to lose the money, or the designation, cracking it out and sending it to PCGS will at least let you not have to be thinking "What if?".
Edit to add: But I also would be surprised if it goes MS at PCGS.
With the new photos I don't see any chance for a MS grade.
leave as is.
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If the OP is not sure what to do, then do no harm. (And take the wife to dinner on the money you save.)
I agree with the others. The new pictures confirm that it is an AU and has no chance of an upgrade.
With those new pictures there's no chance that coin would grade MS. Solid lustre breaks on the obverse field and some wear on the cheek.
AU coin. Reverse looks PL, obverse?
I think that obverse is definitely Au.
I would leave it.
I agree with the consensus - at PCGS it would be AU58. The reverse is really nice, but I believe the obverse keeps it AU.
Definitely an AU from the latest images. You are wise to leave in the NGC PL holder as there are no PL oval O Morgans in the SSDC registry. They do appear to be hen's teeth.....
I've searched high and low for an example...can't find one, period.
AU, leave it be.
Definitely AU... good decision to leave it as is.... Cheers, RickO
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CAC it.
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I find the reverse attractive in your second set of photos, while the obverse is well, meh, Count me in the 'leave it alone' crowd.
Nope, definitely don't crack. If you feel like spending more money that you will not recover go for the crossover.
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This coin in an AU PL, and I have seen NGC do that with all coins they think qualify, including Bust 50c coins; I got a PL on one of those once and that is a big win for a submitter. Oh, and btw, ICG had graded the 1829 50c AU55, that graded AU58PL!!! I'm not sure why the other services don't follow NGC's example.
I stand by my earlier post...PCGS would 55 it!
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From the new set of images, it's clearly an AU and I think at AU-58, it may even be over-graded and more correctly be an AU-55.
At the risk of starting a heated discussion ... consider sending the coin 'as is' to CAC for an opinion. My bet is, however, it will not sticker at AU-58.
Still ... it's nice coin. And by the way ... what the heck are you doing with Morgans?
Aren't the Capped Bust halves keeping you busy enough? LOL
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If anything I'd send it back to NGC to get the Attribution on the label.
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What would be the point of cracking and sending to PCGS? If you just want the coin in a PCGS holder and would be happy with a 55 then do it. IF you want it to be worth as much as possible, send it back to NGC in their holder for attribution.
If you like it and plan on keeping it, then leave it as is. Who really cars what someone else thinks?
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