Whats your guess as to the grade of this $2.5 Gold Indian. ( just got the grade today 4/4/19 -MS 62)
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I have not a clue as to how to grade this series. It belongs to a friend. Whats your guess of a grade.
Many thanks in advance
WS
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Tough series to grade. Looks like AU58 v. MS63.
Looks like an AU. Can we get better pics?
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XF45 from what I am seeing.
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I would like better pictures... but based on those, AU55...Could be better or worse in hand... Cheers, RickO
AU58
Eagle shoulder details are excellent. Feathers on headdress are excellent. Color and surfaces look completely off. If there is dirt in the devices, will not likely go higher than 62. If no dirt, and it’s real, looks 64 or better.
We need Jwitten but I like it AU 55 or better, and the mighty find pictures.
XF 45 is my guess.
55
Not my series but my first impression was 55, the more I look at it... maybe 58.
Careful, this may be a "trick" question.
I don't see any original mint luster which should be there for any MS grade. I appears to have flat dull surfaces. We need better pics which may show some luster.
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AU58 or better based on detail, but the pictures leave much to be desired for purposes of this exercise.
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AU55
Yup. I think it is all a product of the photo. Let’s see if the OP provides something with a bit better representation.
Those pictures show really good detail, but do not show any luster at all. I would imagine there IS luster, just not shown in that style picture. Has the details of a MS coin though, in my opinion. I say anywhere from AU58-MS63, depending on luster, etc. I will guess MS62 though.
How so? Looks genuine and gradable to me.
No trick question. Just trying to determine if it is AU or MS. Try these pics.
With all those hairlines in the fields it looks AU at best and possibly cleaned.
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Im thinking AU Details Cleaned
Choice AU sharpness, but hairlines going in one direction suggest cleaning. Whether or not it’s enough to result in a “details” grade will require a personal review.
AU58...
Are those hairlines or die polish lines?
@jwitten Ability to vet detail from the images aside, I believe @Insider2 may be referring to the fact that about 40% of all counterfeits in to PCGS for grading are $2.5s gold Indians.
In the first image, the flat luster and dark color gave the coin the appearance of a Matte Proof. The second image shows it is not.
IMO it has a good chance for an MS-61 with 62 the Max. And you guys can laugh all you wish. While the coin is my AU and your AU, it is NOT HARSHLY CLEANED! When I graded the "gold tier," I learned very quickly that coins with more friction than this example are graded MS all day long.
PS If the OP takes another image with the coin turned sideways, I'll bet we can agree that the hairlines are typical and random and not from cleaning.
Au55
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More hairlines in the second set of pics than the first, but I've seen far worse graded MS by both ngc and pcgs. I had a thread deleted recently for showing one that I was surprised was straight graded. I still say MS61-62 is reasonable.
This one straight graded AU 55
AU55
..... love the gold coin no matter what the grade may be.
Everyone saying AU55 and lower... check out the dotted lines on the headband on the AU55 example I posted versus the coin in question. You cannot even see them on the AU55. You can see the zig zag, but not the dotted lines that run straight. Those are among the first details to disappear with wear.
58 to 62 possibly cleaned.
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62 from those images.
Hairlines in the fields are not unusual on these coins since they don't have raised rims which would tend to protect the fields while these coins are laying on a flat surface such as a counting table.
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Thanks everyone. I think the second picture did help close the grade loop somewhat. The owner says we are going to submit, so I will repost with a grade in an couple of months.
WS
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With the second picture, I say AU58
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Hard to tell from the first set of pics, just looks unnatural. But combining those with the second set of pics, I'm not seeing any clear signs of wear. Based on that and the various marks and the hairlines or whatever going on in the fields, I'd guess MS62.
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62ish
Au 53
Looks 58 to me. I'd love to see any 45 that looks as nice.
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AU
Well, now we know, thanks for overtones input. We decided to send it in and it graded MS 62.
WS