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The PCGS U.S. Coin Forum COMPUGRADE Thread

LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 14, 2024 8:10AM in U.S. Coin Forum

After receiving some feedback, have decided to try and make this the All Things Compugrade thread.

Interesting information about Compugrade posted here will be copied to the OP to make it easier for people to find information about the company and their products.

Anyone have a Compugrade slab containing a coin other than a $20 Saint, Morgan or Peace Dollar?

Could the Forum put together a set of pictures of all grades 60.0 through ???

Compugrade Samples - All are hard to find. The 2 samples on the outside are the ones mose often seen. The middle one has the style of 1967 label but with a 1969-D Kennedy, the only one I've seen. Are there others?

Compugrade boxes are few and far between. This one was acquired 2/19 off ebay, the seller including it in a 7 Compugrade coin BIN since the seller no longer needed it after selling all the Comugrade slabs they had!

Link to the Compugrade patent, thanks to BStrauss3.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4899392A/en

In the patent is this illustration showing how the evaluation of a Peace dollar is broken down into numerous tiny segments.


Here's a strong start to the grading set goal posted by astrorat and reposted here - have heard about it for years and glad to finally see it shared on the forum! This will be a strong start to developing a picture grading set!


These Saints were acquired April 2021. They are the only ones I have ever seen. Please post if you have other Saints or type coins.


Compugrade Codes

Have finally figured out letter codes on this slab (picture courtesy of astrorat) based on the ad's posted here.

L = Luster
P = Proof like quality
C = Cameo strength.

In reading the ads and patent, not sure what scale is used for each letter. Does anyone here know?

Compugrade Ads - Originally posted by LostSisler who currently owns the rights to the "Company" and reposted by U1Chicago here from a thread originally started in 2014 is the Saint ad. In reviewing the Numismatist archives, the first ads are from 1991, the last ad by Compugrade in the Numismatist is the Saint ad from May 1992. Later ads referencing Compugrade, through roughly 1994, include ads by Heritage soliciting consignments and accepting Compugrade coins.





"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 28, 2019 6:05PM

    Charles Hoskins (Former Director of the ANA's Certification Service in DC and principal owner of the INS Authentication Bureau (first TPGS) was a paid consultant when they were starting up. Unfortunately he passed away and cannot help. AFAIK, they went out of business because the service did not catch on. When PCGS was established and later NGC, they controlled the majority of dealer business. The average collector business could not support the older TPGS. I believe only one of them is left. There are a few TPGS that came along much later.

    I never heard of anything but dollars being slabbed as they had to program the system for each coin type. Those Kennedy's must be rare examples.

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have only seen the sample slabs you posted and Morgan dollars in Compugrade.

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have only seen Morgans and one lone Peace dollar. I heard rumors the company was considering grade Saint Gaudens, but nothing more than a rumor.

    Robin ... are you still around? Do you know?

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have not seen any other coins slabbed by Compugrade.. and those only pictured here...It was an effort made before it's time.... now that AI is being perfected, I think we will see computer grading and real standards implemented... perhaps in the next 5 to 10 years. It will have a major impact on the hobby and the grading business....However, in the long run, it will benefit the hobby. Cheers, RickO

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 1, 2019 6:07AM

    This was posted in an older thread. I’m not certain if the Saint in that ad was actually slabbed. Whether any more were slabbed (and if so, did any survive), I don’t know either.

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/352267/post-your-compugrade-slabs

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    “Sample Slabs” (2nd ed.), by David Schwager
    http://news.coinupdate.com/review-sample-slabs-2nd-ed-by-david-schwager/

    Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb

    Bad transactions with : nobody to date

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Opened in New Orleans in 1991, Compugrade intended to grade coins using computerized equipment instead of skilled graders. Although they graded coins for a few months, the company closed in the same year. They made one of the most attractive holders of any grading service. The plastic has a clear crystalline quality.

    source https://coinweek.com/education/coin-grading/buy-the-holder-not-the-coin-10-slabs-to-look-for/

    Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb

    Bad transactions with : nobody to date

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Of the 3 samples above, the 2 on the outside are the ones seen most frequently. The 1 in the middle is the only one I've ever seen - label style of 1967 with a 1969-D Kennedy.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Would anyone mind if I changed the title to make this a Compugrade "master" thread where Compugrade info can be accumulated "going forward" (man, I hate that admin jargon..... ) :D

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman said:
    Would anyone mind if I changed the title to make this a Compugrade "master" thread where Compugrade info can be accumulated "going forward" (man, I hate that admin jargon..... ) :D

    It is your discussion. Please DO IT!

  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    wayATS I posted a link to the Compugrade patent:

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/compugrade-question.280968/#post-2464652

    Specifically:

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US4899392A/en

    Claim #1 of the Compugrade patent:

    1. An automated method for objectively assigning a numismatic grade to a test coin of particular issue, said method comprising the steps of:
      (a) electronically identifying and locating each detracting mark on one of the obverse and reverse sides of the test coin;
      (b) electronically measuring the surface area of each identified detracting mark;
      (c) utilizing computer means to automatically assign to each identified detracting mark a quantity proportional to the detracting significance thereof based upon the location and measured surface area of the mark on said one side of the test coin;
      (d) automatically summing said assigned quantities using said computer means to arrive at an amount representative of all identified detracting marks on said one side of the test coin;
      (e) automatically correlating said summed amount into a numismatic grade for said one side of the test coin with reference to a preexisting computer database of scaled values representative of numismatic grades; and
      (f) repeating steps (a)-(e) for the opposite side of the test coin.

    as you dig further into the patent, the concept of reference databases for specific coins appears...

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This type of quality control automation is easier for larger pieces than small ones. In 1991 the amount of computing power necessary was expensive and the code was difficult to write. Developers were concentrated in the machine tool and inspection industry where work was profitable. Using the technology back then to grade coins was a money-losing proposition.

  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In addition to slower processors, camera resolution back then was much lower than today.

    There is also a significant upfront effort in gaining sight of enough coins of a given series across a wide range of grades to serve as the training set.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They did a presentation at the 1991 ANA in Chicago that was interesting. They weren't able to do all Morgan dollars, only untoned ones.

    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm kinda wanting an example now. Very interesting stuff!

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  • PhillyJoePhillyJoe Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭

    Were they the only service that used decimals?
    Here's an example that sold for $50 last year:

    https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/58454157_1880-s-compugrade-ms-634-morgan-dollar

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Their computer was whacked. I have had Compugrade slabs that were 3 or 4 grades apart in real life, but the same grade on the holder.

  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Actually, the story I heard was that the coins were humanly graded while they were trying to get the computer to work. Closed down before that happened.

    Other services have (tried) to use fractional grades.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 1, 2019 2:11PM

    @PhillyJoe said:
    Were they the only service that used decimals?
    Here's an example that sold for $50 last year:

    https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/58454157_1880-s-compugrade-ms-634-morgan-dollar

    The ones that sold for $30-$50 were usually buy-it-now listings from those that didn’t know the value. And those tend to be purchased within a short period.
    If auctioned, Compugrade sample slabs would easily go over $100 (probably even over $200). The most common Compugrade slabs (with low graded Morgans), also go for around $90-$110 (more for higher grades, PLs, or Peace Dollars).

    As for decimal grades, ACG also tried it, but they only did half points (I used to own an MS 63.5 ACG Morgan).

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for posting the patent link - will read it later. Especially interested in seeing how they handled luster. Counting defects is certainly easier.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 1, 2019 4:38PM

    Wish I had been the one to cherry pick it, but was flipped to me for a reasonable price. :+1:

    Edit for typo....

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PhillyJoe said:
    Were they the only service that used decimals?
    Here's an example that sold for $50 last year:

    https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/58454157_1880-s-compugrade-ms-634-morgan-dollar

    No ... ACG also used decimals on rare occasion.

    Numismatist Ordinaire
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hopefully we can get astrorat to post some of his Compugrade material..... :wink:

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman said:
    Hopefully we can get astrorat to post some of his Compugrade material..... :wink:

    After last year's Tyler coin show he has at least one less...

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
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  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @btcollects said:

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Actually, the story I heard was that the coins were humanly graded while they were trying to get the computer to work.

    that's what I heard, too - I don't think any coins were ever graded by a computer

    Oh, I think LOTS of coins were graded by computer, but not commercially. The patent dates from a year before the service opened and was filed two years before that. I assume that meant they had done a lot in the alpha realm, maybe even some beta testing, but couldn't make it scale.

    For those not in the IT realm, alpha testing means I don't let you touch the mouse or keyboard. Beta testing means I let you touch it, but break your fingers if you go off-script.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No group of humans can "grade" coins within 0.5 of an arbitrary spaced point. To achieve even a one-point +/- 0.5 point is extremely difficult with a well-defined point definition is unusual. What is really being discussed is quality control within +/- 0.5 standard deviation from a arbitrarily defined "standard" that actually floats depending on the grader's emotions and capacity for baked beans.

    Standards
    Consistency
    Standards
    Consistency
    Standards
    Consistency

    What is necessary to get those concepts into coin collectors' minds?

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,186 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 1, 2019 8:41PM

    Great post @Lakesammman. I'm a big fan of old TPGs and slabs. They are a part of collecting history now. The patents for these is interesting to look at.

    @Lakesammman said:
    Link to the Compugrade patent.

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US4899392A/en

    Good list of inventors:

    • Henry A. Merton
    • James R. Diefenthal
    • William D. Radigan
    • Soumitra Sengupta
    • Emmett J. Lenaz, Jr.
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  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't want to make this solely about the patent, but one thing to note... is the PCGS coin grading patent (https://patents.google.com/patent/US5220614A/en). It references the Compugrade patent and was allowed to expire in 1997 because the renewal fee wasn't paid!

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a peace dollar. Not mine!

    .

  • 2ltdjorn2ltdjorn Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭

    nice. I have a few samples slabs. and a half dozen of various Morgan dollars.

    WTB... errors, New Orleans gold, and circulated 20th key date coins!
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice and rare set.

    thefinn
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool - get to finally see that set! :+1:

    Looks like you've covered the MS63 grade - will be interesting to see if we can fill out the remainder of the MS grades from MS60.0 through ......... well, we'll see.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @astrorat said:

    Okie-dokey ... here is the grading set I put together. The grades are MS-63.0 through MS-63.9 (note the decimal grade on the bottom of the label).

    Now ... if I could only find a box to store them ... hmmm ...

    Awesome! How many times have you had to pull them out to assist in grading those MS63 Morgans you end up with??

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Have finally figured out the numbering on this slab (picture courtesy of astrorat) based on the ad's posted in the OP.

    L = Luster
    P = Proof like quality
    C = Cameo strength.

    In reading the ads and patent, not sure what scale is used for each. Does anyone here know?

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's interesting, thanks :smiley:

    Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb

    Bad transactions with : nobody to date

  • g35fang35fan Posts: 10 ✭

    here's another for the thread...don't see many in DMPL


  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,782 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 21, 2019 1:59AM

    Not my medal , but I like it :smile:

     ""COMPUGRADE  -  Because To Err Is Human""


    Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb

    Bad transactions with : nobody to date

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not mine, but interesting :smile:

    Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb

    Bad transactions with : nobody to date

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like the label on that sample had a hard life!

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman said:
    Looks like the label on that sample had a hard life!

    Perhaps that was one of the first sample labels :smile:
    Maybe that led to improvements.
    Or maybe it took so long for the computer to come up with a grade, that the label just deteriorated :smile:

    Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb

    Bad transactions with : nobody to date

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anyone have a Compugrade Saint or picture of one to share??

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These samples are getting harder to find and seldom offered - noticed this one on Ebay this AM.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In going through the Heritage archives, found 17 auctions with Compugrade slabs, 16 sold in 1993. The last was 1997 with a bulk lot that included 2 Compugrade slabs.

    The highest grade was MS66, the 1st lot in the picture MS66.1, the second only listed as MS66. 2 lots were for DMPL Morgans. Most lots with 1921 dates don't specify Morgan v. Peace and there were no Saints.

    None of the listings include pictures.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 28, 2021 4:44AM

    Reviving this to ask a ?

    @g35fan posted the only reverse in this thread above. Has anyone figured out what the reverse #s mean?

    002204 01 004 001

    If this were a normal service, I would say that it was the 2204th invoice and line 1 on that invoice.

    That would make this the 13th invoice, 3rd line:

    And this one (1885O Morgan) the 1st one graded:

    Except this one is a different 1885O:

    Thoughts? Knowledge???

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not only haven't figured it out, never even thought about it until your post! If that's the lowers serial number known, it would be a interesting cherry pick, as you know. :D:D

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Robin Sisler, who formed CompuGrade 3D, bought the Compugrade company's computer hardware and software several years back. He may be able to answer the question. He used to post here, but I have not seen any posts for years. You can find him on LinkedIn.

    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,738 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love the education that I gain from posts like these.
    Thanks to all for your inputs.
    Wayne :)

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