The enemy is terrorists- domestic, foreign and whoever funds them. I don’t look at kneelers the same way, I look at them as people that are confused and problematic. It would be so much easier if people got out of bed in the morning and went about their lives peacefully and self reliant rather than go against the mold and try to cause outrage and resentment, these kneelers are not helping anything, in most cases they kneel and cause a bunch of static then go about their lives like nothing happened.
The fact is that churches and charities are the real heroes in the inner cities. They do the heavy lifting as far as helping those in need. And they do it every day. I admire them completely.
I wonder how many visits Colin Kaepernick has taken to the inner cities to provide help, now that he's a multi-millionaire. My guess is he'll be hanging around now in Beverly. Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.
And this is the exact thing that’s lost with me with that scumbag Kap, his agenda was to make big money off his kneeling charade and the people that support him are suckers while he is laughing his way to the bank. It amazes me how people don’t see right through his antics, seriously the guy knew what he was doing all along and weak minded people follow suit like moths to the flame. Churches in their own right do good and bad in my opinion, I got no problem with people involved in church for the right reasons, YMCA’s ect.. are good organizational programs for inner city youths when there isn’t fraudulent or unethical behavior going on behind the scenes, problem is wherever there is Monetary donations or unsupervised monitoring of children bad things can happen too. People treating others with respect, leading by example and doing the right thing is the way to make change not putting on a show on national TV
Here’s a story about a homocide detective who was sexually assaulting suspects for years, and the first time he was reported was in 2005. He finally was busted in 2017. It took 12 years(!) for him to finally be relieved of his duties. This is what Kaepernick is protesting, regardless of what other narrative deniers are saying.
@45isodd said:
Here’s a story about a homocide detective who was sexually assaulting suspects for years, and the first time he was reported was in 2005. He finally was busted in 2017. It took 12 years(!) for him to finally be relieved of his duties. This is what Kaepernick is protesting, regardless of what other narrative deniers are saying.
@45isodd said:
Here’s a story about a homocide detective who was sexually assaulting suspects for years, and the first time he was reported was in 2005. He finally was busted in 2017. It took 12 years(!) for him to finally be relieved of his duties. This is what Kaepernick is protesting, regardless of what other narrative deniers are saying.
@45isodd said:
Here’s a story about a homocide detective who was sexually assaulting suspects for years, and the first time he was reported was in 2005. He finally was busted in 2017. It took 12 years(!) for him to finally be relieved of his duties. This is what Kaepernick is protesting, regardless of what other narrative deniers are saying.
@45isodd said:
Here’s a story about a homocide detective who was sexually assaulting suspects for years, and the first time he was reported was in 2005. He finally was busted in 2017. It took 12 years(!) for him to finally be relieved of his duties. This is what Kaepernick is protesting, regardless of what other narrative deniers are saying.
LOL this is an add lib exercise easily replaced with Trump / Illegal immigrant verbs and nouns
I think you mean Mad Lib .
Tomato Toomaatoe
I found one of the books the other day in my house , probably sitting there since 1978 , they are a blast if you have a few people to fill them out. Its like sex , its not as much fun solo
@45isodd said:
So why did it take 12 years for a dirty cop to finally get outed, if not for the blue wall of silence?
It’s the media’s fault. Or it’s the victims fault. It’s the libs fault. It’s always someone else fault. Got to get with the program on the sports forum my friend.
Dirty cop in Philly? That seems like such a reach
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@45isodd said:
Here’s a story about a homocide detective who was sexually assaulting suspects for years, and the first time he was reported was in 2005. He finally was busted in 2017. It took 12 years(!) for him to finally be relieved of his duties. This is what Kaepernick is protesting, regardless of what other narrative deniers are saying.
Nobody is against getting bad cops off the street and bringing them to justice. We all agree with that.
But that is not Kaepernick's narrative. His premise is that many bad cops are racially motivated. However the evidence has unequivocally proven that to be incorrect.
Does it sometimes happen, a bad cop being racially motivated? Of course it does, and nobody would deny that. But there are already strong laws in place to prosecute that sort of malignant behavior when it does occur.
I would have agreed with Kaepernick in the early 1960's that something needed to be done. And it has been done. Our country now has the strongest civil rights laws in the world, and these laws are rigidly enforced.
All Kaepernick did was basically present a false narrative. The facts clearly prove that.
You know what? Just once I'd like to see a kneeler stand-up, applaud, give a warm and hearty THANK YOU to the overwhelmingly vast majority of law enforcement officers who risk their lives every day and work hard to keep us safe. Just once I'd like to have them acknowledge the thousands of lives that law enforcement officers save each day, rather than dwell on the very few bad ones. Just once I'd like to see them salute our flag and sing our national anthem, and be grateful that they are living in the greatest country the world have ever known.
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@45isodd said:
Here’s a story about a homocide detective who was sexually assaulting suspects for years, and the first time he was reported was in 2005. He finally was busted in 2017. It took 12 years(!) for him to finally be relieved of his duties. This is what Kaepernick is protesting, regardless of what other narrative deniers are saying.
Nobody is against getting bad cops off the street and bringing them to justice. We all agree with that.
But that is not Kaepernick's narrative. His premise is that many bad cops are racially motivated. However the evidence has unequivocally proven that to be incorrect.
Does it sometimes happen, a bad cop being racially motivated? Of course it does, and nobody would deny that. But there are already strong laws in place to prosecute that sort of malignant behavior when it does occur.
I would have agreed with Kaepernick in the early 1960's that something needed to be done. And it has been done. Our country now has the strongest civil rights laws in the world, and these laws are rigidly enforced.
All Kaepernick did was basically present a false narrative. The facts clearly prove that.
You know what? Just once I'd like to see a kneeler stand-up, applaud, give a warm and hearty THANK YOU to the overwhelmingly vast majority of law enforcement officers who risk their lives every day and work hard to keep us safe. Just once I'd like to have them acknowledge the thousands of lives that law enforcement officers save each day, rather than dwell on the very few bad ones. Just once I'd like to see them salute our flag and sing our national anthem, and be grateful that they are living in the greatest country the world have ever known.
Steve this is your best post ever! I wish people would wake up and see it like it is....not what the media has projected the way they want to twist it!!!!!
The enemy is terrorists- domestic, foreign and whoever funds them. I don’t look at kneelers the same way, I look at them as people that are confused and problematic. It would be so much easier if people got out of bed in the morning and went about their lives peacefully and self reliant rather than go against the mold and try to cause outrage and resentment, these kneelers are not helping anything, in most cases they kneel and cause a bunch of static then go about their lives like nothing happened.
The fact is that churches and charities are the real heroes in the inner cities. They do the heavy lifting as far as helping those in need. And they do it every day. I admire them completely.
I wonder how many visits Colin Kaepernick has taken to the inner cities to provide help, now that he's a multi-millionaire. My guess is he'll be hanging around now in Beverly. Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.
And this is the exact thing that’s lost with me with that scumbag Kap, his agenda was to make big money off his kneeling charade and the people that support him are suckers while he is laughing his way to the bank. It amazes me how people don’t see right through his antics, seriously the guy knew what he was doing all along and weak minded people follow suit like moths to the flame.
I believe you believe this. I don’t. Not at all. Not one bit.
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The enemy is terrorists- domestic, foreign and whoever funds them. I don’t look at kneelers the same way, I look at them as people that are confused and problematic. It would be so much easier if people got out of bed in the morning and went about their lives peacefully and self reliant rather than go against the mold and try to cause outrage and resentment, these kneelers are not helping anything, in most cases they kneel and cause a bunch of static then go about their lives like nothing happened.
The fact is that churches and charities are the real heroes in the inner cities. They do the heavy lifting as far as helping those in need. And they do it every day. I admire them completely.
I wonder how many visits Colin Kaepernick has taken to the inner cities to provide help, now that he's a multi-millionaire. My guess is he'll be hanging around now in Beverly. Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.
And this is the exact thing that’s lost with me with that scumbag Kap, his agenda was to make big money off his kneeling charade and the people that support him are suckers while he is laughing his way to the bank. It amazes me how people don’t see right through his antics, seriously the guy knew what he was doing all along and weak minded people follow suit like moths to the flame.
I believe you believe this. I don’t. Not at all. Not one bit.
m
Yet all you offer is anecdotal YAWN material to support your ignorant and uninformed cause.
The enemy is terrorists- domestic, foreign and whoever funds them. I don’t look at kneelers the same way, I look at them as people that are confused and problematic. It would be so much easier if people got out of bed in the morning and went about their lives peacefully and self reliant rather than go against the mold and try to cause outrage and resentment, these kneelers are not helping anything, in most cases they kneel and cause a bunch of static then go about their lives like nothing happened.
The fact is that churches and charities are the real heroes in the inner cities. They do the heavy lifting as far as helping those in need. And they do it every day. I admire them completely.
I wonder how many visits Colin Kaepernick has taken to the inner cities to provide help, now that he's a multi-millionaire. My guess is he'll be hanging around now in Beverly. Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.
And this is the exact thing that’s lost with me with that scumbag Kap, his agenda was to make big money off his kneeling charade and the people that support him are suckers while he is laughing his way to the bank. It amazes me how people don’t see right through his antics, seriously the guy knew what he was doing all along and weak minded people follow suit like moths to the flame.
I believe you believe this. I don’t. Not at all. Not one bit.
m
Yet all you offer is anecdotal YAWN material for your ignorant and uninformed cause.
Hey Johnny Come Lately we have been covering this subject ad nauseam for a couple years now on this forum. Every angle has been debated. There are threads full of subject. Everyone here knows my feelings on this. Educating you ain’t my job.
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The enemy is terrorists- domestic, foreign and whoever funds them. I don’t look at kneelers the same way, I look at them as people that are confused and problematic. It would be so much easier if people got out of bed in the morning and went about their lives peacefully and self reliant rather than go against the mold and try to cause outrage and resentment, these kneelers are not helping anything, in most cases they kneel and cause a bunch of static then go about their lives like nothing happened.
The fact is that churches and charities are the real heroes in the inner cities. They do the heavy lifting as far as helping those in need. And they do it every day. I admire them completely.
I wonder how many visits Colin Kaepernick has taken to the inner cities to provide help, now that he's a multi-millionaire. My guess is he'll be hanging around now in Beverly. Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.
And this is the exact thing that’s lost with me with that scumbag Kap, his agenda was to make big money off his kneeling charade and the people that support him are suckers while he is laughing his way to the bank. It amazes me how people don’t see right through his antics, seriously the guy knew what he was doing all along and weak minded people follow suit like moths to the flame.
I believe you believe this. I don’t. Not at all. Not one bit.
m
Yet all you offer is anecdotal YAWN material for your ignorant and uninformed cause.
Hey Johnny Come Lately we have been covering this subject ad nauseam for a couple years now on this forum. Every angle has been debated. There are threads full of subject. Everyone here knows my feelings on this. Educating you ain’t my job.
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How does this juvenile outburst change who you just showed you are in this thread?
The fact is that most slave owners actually treated their slaves very well. Many were like part of the family, and in fact many did become part of the family as the black females gave birth to numerous children of the white slave owners.
You mean when they were raped by their masters? Those children of white slave owners? Only Stevek could turn rape into a justification to explain why slaves were "part of the family".
You need to educate yourself just the tiniest bit about what slavery was actually like. Hopefully everyone else reading your posts sees through the BS.
As for being brainwashed, I was raised and went to school in VA, we were taught from the beginning that the primary cause of the Civil War was states rights and that all the Confederate generals were heroes. I just happened to be a Civil War buff in my youth and saw through the nonsense.
I noticed in your long posts you simply ignore the actual reasons the States and people running the Confederacy gave for seceding from the Union. Sadly for you those reasons were recorded so all your attempts at obfuscating the truth are pointless.
Stevek, since you seem to lack basic reading and comprehension skills I will re-post part of the early quote from the vice president of the Confederacy. If any of the words in this quote are too complicated for you let me know.
Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.
The enemy is terrorists- domestic, foreign and whoever funds them. I don’t look at kneelers the same way, I look at them as people that are confused and problematic. It would be so much easier if people got out of bed in the morning and went about their lives peacefully and self reliant rather than go against the mold and try to cause outrage and resentment, these kneelers are not helping anything, in most cases they kneel and cause a bunch of static then go about their lives like nothing happened.
The fact is that churches and charities are the real heroes in the inner cities. They do the heavy lifting as far as helping those in need. And they do it every day. I admire them completely.
I wonder how many visits Colin Kaepernick has taken to the inner cities to provide help, now that he's a multi-millionaire. My guess is he'll be hanging around now in Beverly. Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.
And this is the exact thing that’s lost with me with that scumbag Kap, his agenda was to make big money off his kneeling charade and the people that support him are suckers while he is laughing his way to the bank. It amazes me how people don’t see right through his antics, seriously the guy knew what he was doing all along and weak minded people follow suit like moths to the flame.
I believe you believe this. I don’t. Not at all. Not one bit.
m
Oh I’m very well aware of where people like you stand with this and I think thats a big part of the problem. Had people not shown support for this scumbag while he was wearing pig socks and disrespecting the flag and our uniformed professionals none of this nonsense would have gotten off the ground and Kap would be basking in the steam of a dishwashing room rather than - AGAIN laughing his way to the bank. The NFL reportedly paid him 80 Million. Are you happy for him and think that money was deserved? That 80 Million could have been put to use paying guys who are legit injured from their playing careers or putting it into youth programs ect.. instead this guy is on an island somewhere drinking a cocktail without a care in the world.
his agenda was to make big money off his kneeling charade and the people that support him are suckers while he is laughing his way to the bank. It amazes me how people don’t see right through his antics, seriously the guy knew what he was doing all along and weak minded people follow suit like moths to the flame
just so I have this straight, it is really your belief that Colin Kapernick enacted a premeditated scheme to get himself black-balled by the NFL so that he could engage in a lawsuit, all by kneeling to protest violence against Blacks by White Law Enforcement??
@fergie23 said: The fact is that most slave owners actually treated their slaves very well. Many were like part of the family, and in fact many did become part of the family as the black females gave birth to numerous children of the white slave owners.
You mean when they were raped by their masters? Those children of white slave owners? Only Stevek could turn rape into a justification to explain why slaves were "part of the family".
You need to educate yourself just the tiniest bit about what slavery was actually like. Hopefully everyone else reading your posts sees through the BS.
As for being brainwashed, I was raised and went to school in VA, we were taught from the beginning that the primary cause of the Civil War was states rights and that all the Confederate generals were heroes. I just happened to be a Civil War buff in my youth and saw through the nonsense.
I noticed in your long posts you simply ignore the actual reasons the States and people running the Confederacy gave for seceding from the Union. Sadly for you those reasons were recorded so all your attempts at obfuscating the truth are pointless.
Stevek, since you seem to lack basic reading and comprehension skills I will re-post part of the early quote from the vice president of the Confederacy. If any of the words in this quote are too complicated for you let me know.
Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.
Robb
Were the slaves technically raped? I would agree with that. Didn't i already state that slavery was unacceptable? Same as rape is unacceptable. However the fact is that most slaves after the war chose to stay with their slave masters on the plantation. There was plenty of free land out West, and if the slaves hated their slave masters so much, they could have gone out there to start a new life, and of course some did. In fact a number of the cowboys in the West were black. Some chose to move North but not as many as one might think if they all wished to get away from the South so badly, and live among those who freed them.
I look at the facts from different sources, and analyze the situation, circumstances and people's behavior at the time, to try to get as accurate a depiction as possible of events of the past. I feel that's not only the best way to do it, but the right way. You choose to read the rant of one extreme bigot, and form that as your viewpoint for what everybody in the South was thinking...that's called being close minded about history.
The old saying is the winners of wars get to write history, and that is basically true. However, I've learned over the years to think for myself, and not be swayed by some history writer who has a spin agenda, and too many of them do.
I could add lots more about this subject, strike you out again, and keep striking you out. But why bother. It's like a major league pitcher striking out a little league batter.
@keets When people like yourself, Mark, Geordie and Others started applauding his actions it fueled an agenda to sue the NFL, had people kept it simple and just ignored him and let him fade off into the sunset like the rest of the “Has Beens” then it would have went away on its own, there was no collusion against him, that other follower Eric Wright got signed and no player that knelt got cut over it. If you don’t think for a second he didn’t realize that he could Buffalo the cowards in the NFL to pay him off then your out of your mind. Perfect example of him asking for 20 Million to play in that new joke of a league when the maximum salary is 250k for players that are even better than him. He doesn’t care about Football anymore it’s all about money now. Now that he is financially set he will fade off into the sunset. Since he got paid he has kept his mouth shut and couldn’t care less about the so called “Issues” that he started this crap over. Hey write the guy if your so strong about defending him and see if you can talk him into doing some social media stuff or protests, I’m sure he will ignore you. Or you could write family members of Soldiers or LE officers that got killed in the line of duty and try to tell them how it’s ok to kneel during a Flag ceremony and see how they feel
please link me to where I "applauded" his actions, but I won't hold my breath. I have an understanding of what he did, why the players are doing it and why so many are upset with it. I don't disagree with the "why" of it and don't let the "how" bother me.
back to the point, maybe a simple yes or no. do you really think that when he was kneeling that first time that he was planning to be where he is today, where this all ended up?? because, really dude, that's what you said.
@keets said: his agenda was to make big money off his kneeling charade and the people that support him are suckers while he is laughing his way to the bank. It amazes me how people don’t see right through his antics, seriously the guy knew what he was doing all along and weak minded people follow suit like moths to the flame
just so I have this straight, it is really your belief that Colin Kapernick enacted a premeditated scheme to get himself black-balled by the NFL so that he could engage in a lawsuit, all by kneeling to protest violence against Blacks by White Law Enforcement??
Stevek you just keep throwing wild pitches but your vivid imagination sees strikes. Your "bigot" happened to be the vice president of the Confederacy, his views weren't extreme at the time.
Anyway as much fun as it is to point out your ignorance, I will stop taking you out to the woodshed and get back to waiting for baseball season to start.
@keets said:
please link me to where I "applauded" his actions, but I won't hold my breath. I have an understanding of what he did, why the players are doing it and why so many are upset with it. I don't disagree with the "why" of it and don't let the "how" bother me.
back to the point, maybe a simple yes or no. do you really think that when he was kneeling that first time that he was planning to be where he is today, where this all ended up?? because, really dude, that's what you said.
Buddy you either support him or you don’t. Go ahead and quote my words and cut them up any way you want. Either way you get my point, and you know it. No I don’t think he thought he was going to get millions but I do believe he thought it would make his name stand out while his career was going down the toilet so I will throw a YES at you, call it crazy I don’t care I think you and everyone else that agrees with him is ignorant. How about that?
I'll only say that I wouldn't have chosen to do what he did but can't fault him for it. when I was younger I probably would have felt differently and might have joined him. today, I would defend his right to do what he did even though I might think it's personally inappropriate. I'm glad I live in a Country that allows that, just like it allows people to condemn him. I haven't lost any sleep over it.
@keets said:
I'll only say that I wouldn't have chosen to do what he did but can't fault him for it. when I was younger I probably would have felt differently and might have joined him. today, I would defend his right to do what he did even though I might think it's personally inappropriate. I'm glad I live in a Country that allows that, just like it allows people to condemn him. I haven't lost any sleep over it.
I haven’t lost sleep over it but when I see his mug plastered on billboards as an icon I get angry, obviously we are on two different levels with this and it’s not going to go in a positive direction if we keep it going, but just one more thing since I answered your question maybe you will answer this? How would you explain that you defend him to the families of slain Military or LE? I won’t respond to your answer that way we can both move along but I’m curious where your at with that scenario.
@fergie23 said:
Stevek you just keep throwing wild pitches but your vivid imagination sees strikes. Your "bigot" happened to be the vice president of the Confederacy, his views weren't extreme at the time.
Anyway as much fun as it is to point out your ignorance, I will stop taking you out to the woodshed and get back to waiting for baseball season to start.
Robb
The framers of our Constitution thought basically the same way as the Confederate VP with that 3/5 notation that you probably know about. Where you and Kaepernick absolutely have no clue, is you take historical context, and try to judge it as if it was the year 2019. Frankly, it's silly.
I see you coming a mile away. First it's tearing down Confederate statues. Then eventually statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson because they were slaveholders, right Robb? Sorry, but it ain't gonna happen.
We do agree on waiting for baseball season to start.
Anyone who thinks that Kaepernick didn't have big money in mind when he kneeled is only fooling themselves.
Did Kaepernick envision the humongous amount of booty that he has received? Perhaps not, but big money was one of his top priorities...not even debatable.
The fact is that Kaepernick stated that he would stop kneeling if an NFL team signed him to a contract. That is a form of extortion in my opinion, considering how the kneeling was financially harming the league. At the least, his offer to stop kneeling for big money was a form of fraud to the cause he was perpetuating.
@keets said:
I'll only say that I wouldn't have chosen to do what he did but can't fault him for it. when I was younger I probably would have felt differently and might have joined him. today, I would defend his right to do what he did even though I might think it's personally inappropriate. I'm glad I live in a Country that allows that, just like it allows people to condemn him. I haven't lost any sleep over it.
I would just like to go on record and say that when I was serving my Country in Vietnam back in 67-68 I sure wasn't doing it so that idiots like K-crap could disrespect our Flag & Country! And the fact that the NFL rewarded him 80M for it sure does lower my opinion of the NFL and it's slim bucket of a commish!!!!!
@keets said:
I'll only say that I wouldn't have chosen to do what he did but can't fault him for it. when I was younger I probably would have felt differently and might have joined him. today, I would defend his right to do what he did even though I might think it's personally inappropriate. I'm glad I live in a Country that allows that, just like it allows people to condemn him. I haven't lost any sleep over it.
I would just like to go on record and say that when I was serving my Country in Vietnam back in 67-68 I sure wasn't doing it so that idiots like K-crap could disrespect our Flag & Country! And the fact that the NFL rewarded him 80M for it sure does lower my opinion of the NFL and it's slim bucket of a commish!!!!!
And I read about LE officers getting shot and killed in the line of duty so often it makes me cringe. My father served as a combat Marine infantryman during Vietnam back in 1968 and has survivors guilt because of so many flag draped caskets that got shipped home, and yea it ruined his life
@keets said:
I'll only say that I wouldn't have chosen to do what he did but can't fault him for it. when I was younger I probably would have felt differently and might have joined him. today, I would defend his right to do what he did even though I might think it's personally inappropriate. I'm glad I live in a Country that allows that, just like it allows people to condemn him. I haven't lost any sleep over it.
I haven’t lost sleep over it but when I see his mug plastered on billboards as an icon I get angry, obviously we are on two different levels with this and it’s not going to go in a positive direction if we keep it going, but just one more thing since I answered your question maybe you will answer this? How would you explain that you defend him to the families of slain Military or LE? I won’t respond to your answer that way we can both move along but I’m curious where your at with that scenario.
@keets When people like yourself, Mark, Geordie and Others started applauding his actions it fueled an agenda to sue the NFL, had people kept it simple and just ignored him and let him fade off into the sunset like the rest of the “Has Beens” then it would have went away on its own, there was no collusion against him, that other follower Eric Wright got signed and no player that knelt got cut over it. If you don’t think for a second he didn’t realize that he could Buffalo the cowards in the NFL to pay him off then your out of your mind. Perfect example of him asking for 20 Million to play in that new joke of a league when the maximum salary is 250k for players that are even better than him. He doesn’t care about Football anymore it’s all about money now. Now that he is financially set he will fade off into the sunset. Since he got paid he has kept his mouth shut and couldn’t care less about the so called “Issues” that he started this crap over. Hey write the guy if your so strong about defending him and see if you can talk him into doing some social media stuff or protests, I’m sure he will ignore you. Or you could write family members of Soldiers or LE officers that got killed in the line of duty and try to tell them how it’s ok to kneel during a Flag ceremony and see how they feel
Actually it’s just not us. I think we are in the comfortable majority but that doesn’t matter.
Everything you have stated here and above is your personal opionion. Not fact.
Do I think he was black balledby the NFL. Yes. I have 80 million reasons to think so. The NFL wouldn’t have settled otherwise. They are a litigation machine
@stevek said:
Anyone who thinks that Kaepernick didn't have big money in mind when he kneeled is only fooling themselves.
Did Kaepernick envision the humongous amount of booty that he has received? Perhaps not, but big money was one of his top priorities...not even debatable.
The fact is that Kaepernick stated that he would stop kneeling if an NFL team signed him to a contract. That is a form of extortion in my opinion, considering how the kneeling was financially harming the league. At the least, his offer to stop kneeling for big money was a form of fraud to the cause he was perpetuating.
You are a hoot. You need your own conspiracy series unreality show. I suggest SteveK’s Straw Man Files.
@keets said:
I'll only say that I wouldn't have chosen to do what he did but can't fault him for it. when I was younger I probably would have felt differently and might have joined him. today, I would defend his right to do what he did even though I might think it's personally inappropriate. I'm glad I live in a Country that allows that, just like it allows people to condemn him. I haven't lost any sleep over it.
This.
@keets said: his agenda was to make big money off his kneeling charade and the people that support him are suckers while he is laughing his way to the bank. It amazes me how people don’t see right through his antics, seriously the guy knew what he was doing all along and weak minded people follow suit like moths to the flame
just so I have this straight, it is really your belief that Colin Kapernick enacted a premeditated scheme to get himself black-balled by the NFL so that he could engage in a lawsuit, all by kneeling to protest violence against Blacks by White Law Enforcement??
that's crazy talk.
Indeed.
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@keets When people like yourself, Mark, Geordie and Others started applauding his actions it fueled an agenda to sue the NFL, had people kept it simple and just ignored him and let him fade off into the sunset like the rest of the “Has Beens” then it would have went away on its own, there was no collusion against him, that other follower Eric Wright got signed and no player that knelt got cut over it. If you don’t think for a second he didn’t realize that he could Buffalo the cowards in the NFL to pay him off then your out of your mind. Perfect example of him asking for 20 Million to play in that new joke of a league when the maximum salary is 250k for players that are even better than him. He doesn’t care about Football anymore it’s all about money now. Now that he is financially set he will fade off into the sunset. Since he got paid he has kept his mouth shut and couldn’t care less about the so called “Issues” that he started this crap over. Hey write the guy if your so strong about defending him and see if you can talk him into doing some social media stuff or protests, I’m sure he will ignore you. Or you could write family members of Soldiers or LE officers that got killed in the line of duty and try to tell them how it’s ok to kneel during a Flag ceremony and see how they feel
Actually it’s just not us. I think we are in the comfortable majority but that doesn’t matter.
Everything you have stated here and above is your personal opionion. Not fact.
Do I think he was black balledby the NFL. Yes. I have 80 million reasons to think so. The NFL wouldn’t have settled otherwise. They are a litigation machine
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Anyone who thinks that Kaepernick didn't have big money in mind when he kneeled is only fooling themselves.
Did Kaepernick envision the humongous amount of booty that he has received? Perhaps not, but big money was one of his top priorities...not even debatable.
The fact is that Kaepernick stated that he would stop kneeling if an NFL team signed him to a contract. That is a form of extortion in my opinion, considering how the kneeling was financially harming the league. At the least, his offer to stop kneeling for big money was a form of fraud to the cause he was perpetuating.
You are a hoot. You need your own conspiracy series unreality show. I suggest SteveK’s Straw Man Files.
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I'll only say that I wouldn't have chosen to do what he did but can't fault him for it. when I was younger I probably would have felt differently and might have joined him. today, I would defend his right to do what he did even though I might think it's personally inappropriate. I'm glad I live in a Country that allows that, just like it allows people to condemn him. I haven't lost any sleep over it.
This.
@keets said: his agenda was to make big money off his kneeling charade and the people that support him are suckers while he is laughing his way to the bank. It amazes me how people don’t see right through his antics, seriously the guy knew what he was doing all along and weak minded people follow suit like moths to the flame
just so I have this straight, it is really your belief that Colin Kapernick enacted a premeditated scheme to get himself black-balled by the NFL so that he could engage in a lawsuit, all by kneeling to protest violence against Blacks by White Law Enforcement??
that's crazy talk.
Indeed.
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Mark - Your post was one of the finest displays of "hubris of the defeated" that I've seen in a long time. 🤣
You know that Colin Kaepernick is a phony and a fraud. We all know that. Yes the 80 million was a lot of money, but it's actually only 2.5 million dollars per team. With painfully expensive legal fees, it may very well have cost each team much more money than that to fight it for years and win. Plus the teams are trying to put the gross malignancy of Colin Kaepernick behind them. So the league settled.
Companies do this all the time, settle lawsuits to actually save money and prevent further bad publicity on situations, even though they know they're not guilty. Come on Mark, you should know that.
Conspiracy theory you say? Kaepernick stated he would stop the kneeling if a team signed him. I guess perhaps you didn't believe him, that Kaepernick would have signed, then continued the kneeling anyway. And that's the first thing you would have gotten right about the Colin Kaepernick saga.
How anyone can defend K-crap is beyond me. The dirt bag does not care about anybody but K-crap. His statement about standing if someone would give him a job said it ALL!
@Justacommeman , Mark your responses are comical at best, the NFL paid Colin Kap all that money because they wanted it to go away, the fact you think otherwise is kinda alarming, and you think you guys that support this guy are in the majority? Again kinda alarming. I’m still waiting on Keets to answer my question about the families of Slain Military and LE and how he would tell them it’s ok to disrespect the flag, since he won’t answer maybe you will? Or is that too real and disturbing to think about? Too much? Sorry I look at the big picture and live in reality unlike you guys who can’t look past the little bubbles created by scumbags like Colin Kap
Just thought I’d inject some actual unbiased and accurate history in the thread for those interested.
The Civil War, like every war ever fought, was about money. Slaves, being property at the time, are money. The raw goods (cotton, rice, sugar) are money. The products they become are money. The Northern factories, the future backbone of the US economy, needed to get these raw goods for less money. And Lincoln, who came from no money, was tasked with settling these issues. The South wanted the goods produced there to go to Europe (which they’d already been doing for 100 years) and where the South got paid considerably more for them. Lincoln wanted these raw materials sent North to grow the Northern and overall US economy.
Noteworthy is Lincoln was not even listed on the ballot for President in several Southern states. Thanks to the Lincoln Douglas debates, he’d earned a reputation as an abolitionist (which he was not). His election spurred on South Carolina’s seccession, something they were mulling 30 years earlier until President Andrew Jackson sent a private note to the then governor, assuring him that Old Hickory would personally hang him from the first tree he could find if talk of secession continued. Needless to say, it stopped all secessionist talk for some time
The term ‘Border States’ refers to the states that owned slaves and remained loyal to the union. They’re important because Lincoln could not and would not alienate those states. Which is why it so funny when people refer to the Emancipation Proclamation as a seminal moment. It was actually just clever politicking by a less than Honest Abe; contrary to the four scores of misinformation in this thread, the Emancipation Proclamation ‘freed only those slaves within the states that are in rebellion.’ It DID NOT outlaw or prohibit slavery in anyway, it simply (and on paper only) freed ALL CONFEDERATE SLAVES. Chances are those slaves actually impacted had no idea it was issued or that they were free. And real actual freedom and the ending of slavery only came via a couple of constitutional amendments after the war. Noteworthy is that we were (basically) the last civilized nation on earth to formally ban slavery (at the time)...
Lastly, Lincoln TRAMPLED all over the constitution in the fullfillment of his most important presidential responsibility - the process of defending said document. An irony that is both wonderful and terrible all at once.
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I love how Mark and Keets are tongue tied when it comes to my question. Makes sense that when given a hard question on the subject they find it much easier to just not respond 🙄
Slaves didn’t stay down south because they loved their lives and slavery wasn’t that bad.
MOST human beings want more out of life and MOST human beings do very little to achieve it.
Many people who have been victims or physical and emotional abuse defend the perpetrator.
With no education, no money and angry white folks all around, it makes some sense that many chose the devil they knew over the devil they didn’t...
I realize all that, like the "Stockholm Syndrome" etc.
I don't disagree with your "devil they knew over the devil they didn't" comment. Of course that was one of the possible reasons. Stories about Indians scalping settlers out West, etc, were more than frightening. Plus the hardship of trying to move out there. Even white settlers under the best of traveling methods with organized wagon trains, etc, quite a number died from weather conditions, disease, etc. And of course many of the black women who had children with their slave masters, wanted to stay in their plantation home with her children along with the father.
The bottom line is the now free slaves mostly stayed on the plantation for whatever the reason. If they were being whipped all the time, etc, like some Hollywood movies portray, there is no way they would have stayed there.
You mention money. Yes, it was actually good business to keep the slaves as healthy as possible so they could do more work. Most slaves were not physically mistreated as too many history books imply because it was simply bad business to do that.
Of course having a slave is horrific mistreatment in itself that no amount of physical kindness can overcome. Which is why I am a firm believer in freedom and liberty, as were our wonderful Founding Fathers who wrote our Constitution.
Some ask why didn't the Founding Fathers address slavery? They discussed it, however with the world's strongest army breathing down your neck IE the British army, it was the wise choice to totally focus on defeating them and keeping them at bay. Many forget that there was a War of 1812 with the British, decades after the revolution.
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If we can't forgive the south then I suppose in fairness we have to return Texas to Mexico , no great loss there
softparade, the ideology is White Supremacy.
Keets White Supremacy is fringe extremism. Its not a viable political position in any way shape or form. It’s nutter crap. My God.
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And this is the exact thing that’s lost with me with that scumbag Kap, his agenda was to make big money off his kneeling charade and the people that support him are suckers while he is laughing his way to the bank. It amazes me how people don’t see right through his antics, seriously the guy knew what he was doing all along and weak minded people follow suit like moths to the flame. Churches in their own right do good and bad in my opinion, I got no problem with people involved in church for the right reasons, YMCA’s ect.. are good organizational programs for inner city youths when there isn’t fraudulent or unethical behavior going on behind the scenes, problem is wherever there is Monetary donations or unsupervised monitoring of children bad things can happen too. People treating others with respect, leading by example and doing the right thing is the way to make change not putting on a show on national TV
Here’s a story about a homocide detective who was sexually assaulting suspects for years, and the first time he was reported was in 2005. He finally was busted in 2017. It took 12 years(!) for him to finally be relieved of his duties. This is what Kaepernick is protesting, regardless of what other narrative deniers are saying.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/nation/2019/02/20/he-was-known-prolific-homicide-detective-now-prosecutors-say-he-sexually-assaulted-witnesses-suspects/
LOL this is an add lib exercise easily replaced with Trump / Illegal immigrant verbs and nouns
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I think you mean Mad Lib .
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So why did it take 12 years for a dirty cop to finally get outed, if not for the blue wall of silence?
I found one of the books the other day in my house , probably sitting there since 1978 , they are a blast if you have a few people to fill them out. Its like sex , its not as much fun solo
Yeah because cherry picked instances in any debate always settles it.
Oy Vey lol
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It’s the media’s fault. Or it’s the victims fault. It’s the libs fault. It’s always someone else fault. Got to get with the program on the sports forum my friend.
Dirty cop in Philly? That seems like such a reach
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Nobody is against getting bad cops off the street and bringing them to justice. We all agree with that.
But that is not Kaepernick's narrative. His premise is that many bad cops are racially motivated. However the evidence has unequivocally proven that to be incorrect.
Does it sometimes happen, a bad cop being racially motivated? Of course it does, and nobody would deny that. But there are already strong laws in place to prosecute that sort of malignant behavior when it does occur.
I would have agreed with Kaepernick in the early 1960's that something needed to be done. And it has been done. Our country now has the strongest civil rights laws in the world, and these laws are rigidly enforced.
All Kaepernick did was basically present a false narrative. The facts clearly prove that.
You know what? Just once I'd like to see a kneeler stand-up, applaud, give a warm and hearty THANK YOU to the overwhelmingly vast majority of law enforcement officers who risk their lives every day and work hard to keep us safe. Just once I'd like to have them acknowledge the thousands of lives that law enforcement officers save each day, rather than dwell on the very few bad ones. Just once I'd like to see them salute our flag and sing our national anthem, and be grateful that they are living in the greatest country the world have ever known.
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Steve this is your best post ever! I wish people would wake up and see it like it is....not what the media has projected the way they want to twist it!!!!!
I believe you believe this. I don’t. Not at all. Not one bit.
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Yet all you offer is anecdotal YAWN material to support your ignorant and uninformed cause.
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Hey Johnny Come Lately we have been covering this subject ad nauseam for a couple years now on this forum. Every angle has been debated. There are threads full of subject. Everyone here knows my feelings on this. Educating you ain’t my job.
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How does this juvenile outburst change who you just showed you are in this thread?
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The fact is that most slave owners actually treated their slaves very well. Many were like part of the family, and in fact many did become part of the family as the black females gave birth to numerous children of the white slave owners.
You mean when they were raped by their masters? Those children of white slave owners? Only Stevek could turn rape into a justification to explain why slaves were "part of the family".
You need to educate yourself just the tiniest bit about what slavery was actually like. Hopefully everyone else reading your posts sees through the BS.
As for being brainwashed, I was raised and went to school in VA, we were taught from the beginning that the primary cause of the Civil War was states rights and that all the Confederate generals were heroes. I just happened to be a Civil War buff in my youth and saw through the nonsense.
I noticed in your long posts you simply ignore the actual reasons the States and people running the Confederacy gave for seceding from the Union. Sadly for you those reasons were recorded so all your attempts at obfuscating the truth are pointless.
Stevek, since you seem to lack basic reading and comprehension skills I will re-post part of the early quote from the vice president of the Confederacy. If any of the words in this quote are too complicated for you let me know.
Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.
Robb
Oh I’m very well aware of where people like you stand with this and I think thats a big part of the problem. Had people not shown support for this scumbag while he was wearing pig socks and disrespecting the flag and our uniformed professionals none of this nonsense would have gotten off the ground and Kap would be basking in the steam of a dishwashing room rather than - AGAIN laughing his way to the bank. The NFL reportedly paid him 80 Million. Are you happy for him and think that money was deserved? That 80 Million could have been put to use paying guys who are legit injured from their playing careers or putting it into youth programs ect.. instead this guy is on an island somewhere drinking a cocktail without a care in the world.
his agenda was to make big money off his kneeling charade and the people that support him are suckers while he is laughing his way to the bank. It amazes me how people don’t see right through his antics, seriously the guy knew what he was doing all along and weak minded people follow suit like moths to the flame
just so I have this straight, it is really your belief that Colin Kapernick enacted a premeditated scheme to get himself black-balled by the NFL so that he could engage in a lawsuit, all by kneeling to protest violence against Blacks by White Law Enforcement??
that's crazy talk.
Were the slaves technically raped? I would agree with that. Didn't i already state that slavery was unacceptable? Same as rape is unacceptable. However the fact is that most slaves after the war chose to stay with their slave masters on the plantation. There was plenty of free land out West, and if the slaves hated their slave masters so much, they could have gone out there to start a new life, and of course some did. In fact a number of the cowboys in the West were black. Some chose to move North but not as many as one might think if they all wished to get away from the South so badly, and live among those who freed them.
I look at the facts from different sources, and analyze the situation, circumstances and people's behavior at the time, to try to get as accurate a depiction as possible of events of the past. I feel that's not only the best way to do it, but the right way. You choose to read the rant of one extreme bigot, and form that as your viewpoint for what everybody in the South was thinking...that's called being close minded about history.
The old saying is the winners of wars get to write history, and that is basically true. However, I've learned over the years to think for myself, and not be swayed by some history writer who has a spin agenda, and too many of them do.
I could add lots more about this subject, strike you out again, and keep striking you out. But why bother. It's like a major league pitcher striking out a little league batter.
See how I took the topic back to sports talk?
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@keets When people like yourself, Mark, Geordie and Others started applauding his actions it fueled an agenda to sue the NFL, had people kept it simple and just ignored him and let him fade off into the sunset like the rest of the “Has Beens” then it would have went away on its own, there was no collusion against him, that other follower Eric Wright got signed and no player that knelt got cut over it. If you don’t think for a second he didn’t realize that he could Buffalo the cowards in the NFL to pay him off then your out of your mind. Perfect example of him asking for 20 Million to play in that new joke of a league when the maximum salary is 250k for players that are even better than him. He doesn’t care about Football anymore it’s all about money now. Now that he is financially set he will fade off into the sunset. Since he got paid he has kept his mouth shut and couldn’t care less about the so called “Issues” that he started this crap over. Hey write the guy if your so strong about defending him and see if you can talk him into doing some social media stuff or protests, I’m sure he will ignore you. Or you could write family members of Soldiers or LE officers that got killed in the line of duty and try to tell them how it’s ok to kneel during a Flag ceremony and see how they feel
please link me to where I "applauded" his actions, but I won't hold my breath. I have an understanding of what he did, why the players are doing it and why so many are upset with it. I don't disagree with the "why" of it and don't let the "how" bother me.
back to the point, maybe a simple yes or no. do you really think that when he was kneeling that first time that he was planning to be where he is today, where this all ended up?? because, really dude, that's what you said.
It worked didn't it!!!
Stevek you just keep throwing wild pitches but your vivid imagination sees strikes. Your "bigot" happened to be the vice president of the Confederacy, his views weren't extreme at the time.
Anyway as much fun as it is to point out your ignorance, I will stop taking you out to the woodshed and get back to waiting for baseball season to start.
Robb
Buddy you either support him or you don’t. Go ahead and quote my words and cut them up any way you want. Either way you get my point, and you know it. No I don’t think he thought he was going to get millions but I do believe he thought it would make his name stand out while his career was going down the toilet so I will throw a YES at you, call it crazy I don’t care I think you and everyone else that agrees with him is ignorant. How about that?
I'll only say that I wouldn't have chosen to do what he did but can't fault him for it. when I was younger I probably would have felt differently and might have joined him. today, I would defend his right to do what he did even though I might think it's personally inappropriate. I'm glad I live in a Country that allows that, just like it allows people to condemn him. I haven't lost any sleep over it.
I haven’t lost sleep over it but when I see his mug plastered on billboards as an icon I get angry, obviously we are on two different levels with this and it’s not going to go in a positive direction if we keep it going, but just one more thing since I answered your question maybe you will answer this? How would you explain that you defend him to the families of slain Military or LE? I won’t respond to your answer that way we can both move along but I’m curious where your at with that scenario.
The framers of our Constitution thought basically the same way as the Confederate VP with that 3/5 notation that you probably know about. Where you and Kaepernick absolutely have no clue, is you take historical context, and try to judge it as if it was the year 2019. Frankly, it's silly.
I see you coming a mile away. First it's tearing down Confederate statues. Then eventually statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson because they were slaveholders, right Robb? Sorry, but it ain't gonna happen.
We do agree on waiting for baseball season to start.
Anyone who thinks that Kaepernick didn't have big money in mind when he kneeled is only fooling themselves.
Did Kaepernick envision the humongous amount of booty that he has received? Perhaps not, but big money was one of his top priorities...not even debatable.
The fact is that Kaepernick stated that he would stop kneeling if an NFL team signed him to a contract. That is a form of extortion in my opinion, considering how the kneeling was financially harming the league. At the least, his offer to stop kneeling for big money was a form of fraud to the cause he was perpetuating.
I would just like to go on record and say that when I was serving my Country in Vietnam back in 67-68 I sure wasn't doing it so that idiots like K-crap could disrespect our Flag & Country! And the fact that the NFL rewarded him 80M for it sure does lower my opinion of the NFL and it's slim bucket of a commish!!!!!
And I read about LE officers getting shot and killed in the line of duty so often it makes me cringe. My father served as a combat Marine infantryman during Vietnam back in 1968 and has survivors guilt because of so many flag draped caskets that got shipped home, and yea it ruined his life
He is an icon. A iconic douche bag.
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I just can't believe the indignation you guys feel about this.
Actually it’s just not us. I think we are in the comfortable majority but that doesn’t matter.
Everything you have stated here and above is your personal opionion. Not fact.
Do I think he was black balledby the NFL. Yes. I have 80 million reasons to think so. The NFL wouldn’t have settled otherwise. They are a litigation machine
You are a hoot. You need your own conspiracy series unreality show. I suggest SteveK’s Straw Man Files.
This.
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Mark - Your post was one of the finest displays of "hubris of the defeated" that I've seen in a long time. 🤣
You know that Colin Kaepernick is a phony and a fraud. We all know that. Yes the 80 million was a lot of money, but it's actually only 2.5 million dollars per team. With painfully expensive legal fees, it may very well have cost each team much more money than that to fight it for years and win. Plus the teams are trying to put the gross malignancy of Colin Kaepernick behind them. So the league settled.
Companies do this all the time, settle lawsuits to actually save money and prevent further bad publicity on situations, even though they know they're not guilty. Come on Mark, you should know that.
Conspiracy theory you say? Kaepernick stated he would stop the kneeling if a team signed him. I guess perhaps you didn't believe him, that Kaepernick would have signed, then continued the kneeling anyway. And that's the first thing you would have gotten right about the Colin Kaepernick saga.
How anyone can defend K-crap is beyond me. The dirt bag does not care about anybody but K-crap. His statement about standing if someone would give him a job said it ALL!
What a POS K-crap his!
@Justacommeman , Mark your responses are comical at best, the NFL paid Colin Kap all that money because they wanted it to go away, the fact you think otherwise is kinda alarming, and you think you guys that support this guy are in the majority? Again kinda alarming. I’m still waiting on Keets to answer my question about the families of Slain Military and LE and how he would tell them it’s ok to disrespect the flag, since he won’t answer maybe you will? Or is that too real and disturbing to think about? Too much? Sorry I look at the big picture and live in reality unlike you guys who can’t look past the little bubbles created by scumbags like Colin Kap
Just thought I’d inject some actual unbiased and accurate history in the thread for those interested.
The Civil War, like every war ever fought, was about money. Slaves, being property at the time, are money. The raw goods (cotton, rice, sugar) are money. The products they become are money. The Northern factories, the future backbone of the US economy, needed to get these raw goods for less money. And Lincoln, who came from no money, was tasked with settling these issues. The South wanted the goods produced there to go to Europe (which they’d already been doing for 100 years) and where the South got paid considerably more for them. Lincoln wanted these raw materials sent North to grow the Northern and overall US economy.
Noteworthy is Lincoln was not even listed on the ballot for President in several Southern states. Thanks to the Lincoln Douglas debates, he’d earned a reputation as an abolitionist (which he was not). His election spurred on South Carolina’s seccession, something they were mulling 30 years earlier until President Andrew Jackson sent a private note to the then governor, assuring him that Old Hickory would personally hang him from the first tree he could find if talk of secession continued. Needless to say, it stopped all secessionist talk for some time
The term ‘Border States’ refers to the states that owned slaves and remained loyal to the union. They’re important because Lincoln could not and would not alienate those states. Which is why it so funny when people refer to the Emancipation Proclamation as a seminal moment. It was actually just clever politicking by a less than Honest Abe; contrary to the four scores of misinformation in this thread, the Emancipation Proclamation ‘freed only those slaves within the states that are in rebellion.’ It DID NOT outlaw or prohibit slavery in anyway, it simply (and on paper only) freed ALL CONFEDERATE SLAVES. Chances are those slaves actually impacted had no idea it was issued or that they were free. And real actual freedom and the ending of slavery only came via a couple of constitutional amendments after the war. Noteworthy is that we were (basically) the last civilized nation on earth to formally ban slavery (at the time)...
Lastly, Lincoln TRAMPLED all over the constitution in the fullfillment of his most important presidential responsibility - the process of defending said document. An irony that is both wonderful and terrible all at once.
Every war in the history of the world has been fought for economic reasons. That has never changed and will never change.
It’s the root of all evil,
Of strife and upheaval!
But I’m certain, honey...
That life would be sunny...
...WITH PLENTY OF MONEY AND YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
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Slaves didn’t stay down south because they loved their lives and slavery wasn’t that bad.
MOST human beings want more out of life and MOST human beings do very little to achieve it.
Many people who have been victims or physical and emotional abuse defend the perpetrator.
With no education, no money and angry white folks all around, it makes some sense that many chose the devil they knew over the devil they didn’t...
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I love how Mark and Keets are tongue tied when it comes to my question. Makes sense that when given a hard question on the subject they find it much easier to just not respond 🙄
I realize all that, like the "Stockholm Syndrome" etc.
I don't disagree with your "devil they knew over the devil they didn't" comment. Of course that was one of the possible reasons. Stories about Indians scalping settlers out West, etc, were more than frightening. Plus the hardship of trying to move out there. Even white settlers under the best of traveling methods with organized wagon trains, etc, quite a number died from weather conditions, disease, etc. And of course many of the black women who had children with their slave masters, wanted to stay in their plantation home with her children along with the father.
The bottom line is the now free slaves mostly stayed on the plantation for whatever the reason. If they were being whipped all the time, etc, like some Hollywood movies portray, there is no way they would have stayed there.
You mention money. Yes, it was actually good business to keep the slaves as healthy as possible so they could do more work. Most slaves were not physically mistreated as too many history books imply because it was simply bad business to do that.
Of course having a slave is horrific mistreatment in itself that no amount of physical kindness can overcome. Which is why I am a firm believer in freedom and liberty, as were our wonderful Founding Fathers who wrote our Constitution.
Some ask why didn't the Founding Fathers address slavery? They discussed it, however with the world's strongest army breathing down your neck IE the British army, it was the wise choice to totally focus on defeating them and keeping them at bay. Many forget that there was a War of 1812 with the British, decades after the revolution.