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'Ole Miss players knelt yesterday in protest over White Supremacist demonstrations on campus about Confederate statues. It seems pretty clear cut to me, but I wonder how much it rankles certain members. It ain't got nothing to do with Patriotism and it ain't going away anytime soon. Well, maybe in about 22 months.
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It bothers me and if I was the coach I wouldn’t allow it, and if they refuse my directive then forfeit the game and try again next game. Don’t care who this annoys here either, they can protest that outside of the venue that they are most likely getting their education paid for by.
The Ole Miss players should be suspended.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
dock their paychecks!!!
I don't blame them for kneeling. They saw how Colin Kaepernick made millions off doing it, so they probably said to each other, "We want a piece of that action." 🤣
These kneelers lack a fundamental understanding of what our Civil War was really all about. And they lack a fundamental understanding that while they are players in that sports arena, they should only be focused on basketball. By kneeling, they not only disrespect our flag and our national anthem, they disrespect their coach and their school.
It's easy to stop all this if the coach and school have the stones to do so. Tell them next time they kneel, they will be ejected from the game. The time after that, they will be thrown off the basketball team, and any scholarship forfeited.
I'm sick and tired of hearing about how college scholarship players don't get paid. The fact is they are getting paid. The scholarships they get and the perks they get are worth tens of thousands of dollars. To an Ivy League school it's likely over one hundred thousand dollars. That's getting paid by any reasonable definition of the term.
Then they get paid some more their entire lives as the college degree they receive is worth potentially much more money as it gets them in the door for job interviews to possibly be hired, as well as future job advancement depending on the type of job they have.
These players are morons. They are kneeling before a flag that DEFEATED the Confederacy. Idiots.
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so evidently I read things right, not many members place any value on Civil Disobedience.
If they want to demonstrate “Civil Disobedience” or “Non violent protesting” or anything else ignorant people want to call it then FINE just do it on your own time and not shove it down the throats of people who don’t want to watch this stupidity.
If I felt that strongly about the protests I would have said screw the game and went and counter protested. I for one am sick of watching these lazy ass people kneel down in front of a camera. They do this so they don't actually have to work at what they are supposedly passionate about. The camera does all the work. Lazy. The fact of the matter IS .... basketball means more to them so they take the easy way out and kneel in front of the flag during the NA. They don't give a crap until the cameras are on.
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everyone could improve their lives immediately by refusing to watch college basketball.
Personally as long as the women volleyball players don't act up i'll survive , thats the only college sport I watch.
It will cost them on draft day.
I love women's volleyball on drafty days
Best post EVER! Pea brained idiots for sure!!!!!
please excuse me for being ignorant.
Please don’t excuse me for my thoughts, I couldn’t care less who agrees with me or not. I stand by every post I’ve made about this nonsense.
This is so spot on I’m really annoyed at myself for not saying this first 😂. Good job Dan 🍻
Sorry to inform you and the kneelers, but there is a lot of ignorance on this kneeling issue.
Firstly, the initial premise behind Kaepernick and the NFL kneelers is proven by facts to be a totally false narrative.
Another false narrative is that the Civil War was all about slavery. It was not all about slavery. The fact is that the Civil War was fought over cultural differences between the North and South, which of course included slavery, but there was a lot more involved.
The great people of the South during that time were not traitors as is portrayed in too many public school history books. The Southern people were rebels. They rebelled against an unfair system of taxes and mandates from the North whom culturally they had little in common with at that time.
If these ignorant college kneelers knew better, they would respect the Confederacy, and the history of the United States represented by our flag and our national anthem, which provides them such a wonderful opportunity to get a free college education and hopefully succeed in a job or business if they work hard enough to do so.
I bet we aren't supposed to get in deep here with politics but just hearing some of these leftist POTUS possibles talking about reparations makes my skin curl. The classic American blue collar democrat has been quickly disenfranchised in this country.
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I'm leaving politics out of it, and just posting my viewpoint based on a sports perspective and historical perspective which is what these college kneelers are doing. In my opinion, it wouldn't be possible to comment on this matter without a perspective on the Confederacy and the Civil War.
Ahh, the whitewashed revisionist Civil war history lesson.
Here is what the vice president of the Confederacy said regarding the cause of the Civil war:
The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions--African slavery as it exists among us--the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution [...] The general opinion of the men of that day [Revolutionary Period] was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution [slavery] would be evanescent and pass away [...] Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.
Read the succession statements from South Carolina, Mississippi, Georgia and Texas. It is crystal clear why they left the union, sadly for all the revisionists, the states put into writing why they were doing what they were doing. It is amazing how prevalent the "it wasn't really about slavery" argument has become with conservatives. I almost can't blame the states rights folks from the South for their ignorance since they are spoon fed it by their political leaders and teachers.
Stevek, I'm sure you also believe it was purely coincidental that all of those Confederate monuments went up during the introduction of Jim Crow laws and then during the civil rights movement.
As for African American student athletes "respecting" the Confederacy only someone utterly clueless or totally ignorant of American history would say or believe that.
Robb
Slavery was absolutely a very big factor. Indeed. Nobody is happier than me that the Union defeated and crushed the Confederacy. But back today's world. Kneeling in front of our flag in which that flag defeated and crushed this ancient ideology is just ignorance at best. Can we agree that ignorance runs rampant in this country? These dumb kids are protesting the very flag that ended that ideology aside from rogue bigots. They need to learn about where and when to protest the pockets that are left that promote that ideology. And it's not on a friggen basketball court, football field, or a baseball diamond.
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And to defend SteveK .... he didn't say the Civil War was not about slavery. He said it was not ALL about slavery, In which he is correct.
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Actually he said:
These kneelers lack a fundamental understanding of what our Civil War was really all about.
The great people of the South during that time were not traitors as is portrayed in too many public school history books. The Southern people were rebels. They rebelled against an unfair system of taxes and mandates from the North whom culturally they had little in common with at that time.
He completely ignores slavery as the primary cause and root of the entire Civil war because it is an inconvenient truth. It wasn't about taxes it was about slavery pure and simple. The "mandate" that the South was rebelling against was the growing drive to abolish slavery in the US.
Robb
the "ideology" is still alive and it's sort of why they were kneeling. I didn't view it as a protest and I don't see kneeling with a bowed head as disrespectful.
to each their own, I suppose.
That ideology is not alive in any meaningful or legal way. It was defeated and it will stay defeated. Now, rouge groups who are blessed to live here and are allowed to express (not practice) this ancient and defeated ideology? God Bless America I guess.
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To keep things sports related. Arguing that the Civil War was not about slavery would be like saying the reason the Patriots have been so successful the last 18 years is because they have had two HOF worthy place kickers. Sure the South had other minor grievances with the North but the actual issue worth seceding and fighting for was slavery, just like it is true the Pats have had two great place kickers the last 20 years but the actual cause of their success is Brady & Belichick.
Robb
Civil disobedience is a hallowed tradition and a bedrock foundation stone in the USA.
Civil disobedience has assisted the country over the centuries as it progresses toward the laudable goal of equality (of opportunity, not outcome) for everyone. It has been a safety valve that provides for a lessening of societal tension and pressure that in its absence could see a fall into anarchy.
The above said, what parameters are appropriate for the demonstration of civil disobedience?
Should there be no parameters? Should any person or group have the absolute right to demonstrate whenever, wherever and however they want? If so, then proponents of this position should appear en masse on the field of the Superbowl, World Series, Stanley Cup, NBA Finals, World Cup, Olympics, Supreme Court oral arguments, State Of The Union, State and City addresses, Academy Awards show, NBC nightly news show, the labor and delivery room during the birth of a child or the hospice facility in one's parent's room as they live their last hour etc.
For those who do not so agree, where is the line drawn?
My line is whatever the current version of the "public square is"; and on one's own free time.
Thus any protest or other civil disobedience that is over the line should, IMO, result in consequences being given to the violators.
In the case of the college basketball players who kneeled yesterday the coach, AD, school, league and/or NCAA should enforce any rules in place that cover this situation. Once enforcement is made and punishment imposed, move on and be prepared to deal with any societal backlash.
The above should be applied to any and all persons and groups who cross over whatever line is in place, whether or not the enforcing entity is or is not sympathetic with the person or group that crosses the line.
Don’t blame the forum. This is what happens when dumb kids bring it into the arenas and stadiums.
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The root cause of the civil war was the question of states rights. Did states have the right to impose slavery, or did the federal government have the power to make it illegal nationwide. The sad between the state's and the 13th amendment answered that question.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
As for these college imbeciles, warn them once, then boot them from the team and end their free ride scholarship. Protest with the rest of the moonbats on your own time.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
TOTALLY agree Steve these people wanna make me PUKE!
I would much rather see this than kneeling!
Just curious …….. what is in 22 months? The election! Are you hoping for a Dem. President that will say this action is OK??!!
Robb, now please ponder this question for a second, minute, or however long it takes, okay? Just so you can maybe fully comprehend how totally brainwashed you are on this subject.
I'm sure we all agree that slavery is despicable and unacceptable. And yes, slavery had been abolished in the North prior to the Civil War, and thank goodness for that. However someone would have to be very naive to think that abolishing slavery back then, abolished prejudice and bigotry in the North, especially from 150 years ago.
The North suffered an estimated 360,000 soldiers killed during the Civil War, countless more wounded, many lost limbs...and virtually all of them were white. So the question is...Do you actually believe that any white man, living a nice life in the North back then, with himself and his family, perhaps during the summer deriving joy playing the newly invented game called baseball, and enjoying other facets of life, would risk giving that up to protect some black person in the South? If you truly believe that, then it would be naivete about history on a grand scale.
Here's another fact for ya to ponder. The Civil War began in April 1861. However the Emancipation Proclamation didn't happen until January 1863. That's around twenty long hard months later of brutal war. So if the main reason for the war was slavery, why didn't Lincoln announce the Emancipation Proclamation the first day of the war at the latest? Why...because Lincoln knew that he would have trouble motivating his Northern troops if the reason for the war was about slavery. No white person in the North was going to sacrifice his life over that.
Now since that's settled, one could even call it checkmate, although i derive no pleasure in checkmating a gross amateur. I'm still glad ya brought it up because I'll also give ya a solution to the problem.
Black people have made tremendous strides in our country from 150 years ago, and thank goodness for that. We are all one people in one nation and we have to stick together. But the fact is that there are still far too many black people in the inner cities who are struggling with poverty, and that is unacceptable. Frankly it sickens me now, and it's always sickened me that a black child in the inner city isn't getting a similar education and advancement opportunity as any suburban child.
Kaepernick is a first class jerk with his shenanigans, and that's obvious. Most of us know that now. However the overall premise about those who are angry about horrible problems in the inner cities, i am in basic agreement with that. However the time and place to protest and do something about these problems is not by basketball or football players at a sports venue.
Instead during the off season, if these players really care so much about helping black people, they should spend time and energy thru the political system to get things done. Instead of kneeling at a sports venue, they should be protesting at the inner city mayor's office, and tell him or her to get off their fat lazy butt, and start working hard for positive change in the community. And keep up the pressure.
Also these players should spend time and energy, and go into these communities on a regular basis, to lift the spirits of these downtrodden inner city people, especially the young people in school, and basically tell them something like, "Look, only a few of you can become professional athletes such as me. You must do your studies, do what the teacher tells you to do, do your homework, and don't listen to the losers in society such as drug dealers and gang bangers telling you it's no use, that you can't make it. You can make it, and you will make it, and I'll be back whenever I can to see how you're all doing, and you can tell me how you got good grades on your latest test. I want to see all of you get a high school diploma, and hopefully earn a college degree as well."
I dunno why, i forgot to wear a shirt that day. Thankfully I didn't forget the pants.
This place is crawling with Lost Cause sympathizers, the American version of Holocaust deniers.
softparade, the "idealogy" you don't seem to understand grew out of the Civil War, the first iteration of the KKK.
Dimeman, I would hope for the election of any member of any Political Party who would work to unite America.
No school should be required to pay any athlete. However, they should not be prohibited from doing so. It is the collusion among the NCAA ranks that is troubling. Can't afford a million or three for Zion, then so be it. Duke or Michigan or UCLA can.
Just a few more points if I may for the naysayers, then it's back to Sports Talk for me:
Most former slaves after the war, stayed on with their former slave masters living on the plantation as before. But of course now they were free to come and go as they pleased. The fact is that most slave owners actually treated their slaves very well. Many were like part of the family, and in fact many did become part of the family as the black females gave birth to numerous children of the white slave owners.
The North only finally got highly motivated to win the war when Robert E. Lee made the terrible mistake of crossing his army into Northern soil. That frightened the bejeebers out of the North thinking that the South was out to conquer the North. Then, and only then, did the North finally rise-up with their overwhelming advantage in industrial might to defeat the South.
This war could have easily wound up a stalemate and the Confederacy held sway if it would have been handled better politically by the South, both before and during the war. Most historians agree that if our country would have "permanently" split back then, that eventually we would have reunited anyway. That slavery would have likely been abolished in the South within around twenty years. A growing number in the South were getting tired of the institution of slavery.
As for the protests, another reason that the kneelers and everyone else should respect the Confederacy is by them dishonoring the rebel leaders, they are dishonoring the tens of millions of descendants of those in the South who survived the war. That's tens of millions of Americans, perhaps more, who don't particularly like their ancestors being called traitors, and tearing down monuments to respect those who fought and died gallantly for their cause which basically was freedom and liberty from what they perceived as Northern tyranny, taxation without representation. Similar reason that our Revolutionary War heroes fought for against the British.
Awwwww can't we be friends with the confederates after all these years? Seems like after WW2 ended we were pals with germany and Japan and Italy in literally minutes . Lot more victims of that war and yet it was all washed away in the blink of an eye
We have met the enemy and it is us.
The enemy is terrorists- domestic, foreign and whoever funds them. I don’t look at kneelers the same way, I look at them as people that are confused and problematic. It would be so much easier if people got out of bed in the morning and went about their lives peacefully and self reliant rather than go against the mold and try to cause outrage and resentment, these kneelers are not helping anything, in most cases they kneel and cause a bunch of static then go about their lives like nothing happened.
LOL yeah I don’t understand an ideology that was crushed and banished to fringe extremism forever more but you think is still alive and well.
Haha RICH
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lol at anybody ok with kneeling in front of our f> @keets said:
LOL
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I used to work with an older lady who was from GA. She refused to call it the civil war. When she spoke of the war fought from 1861-1865, she referred to it as the war of northern agression. When she was in polite company, she would call it the "recent unpleasantries". Being a northerner, I had never heard either term
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
The fact is that churches and charities are the real heroes in the inner cities. They do the heavy lifting as far as helping those in need. And they do it every day. I admire them completely.
I wonder how many visits Colin Kaepernick has taken to the inner cities to provide help, now that he's a multi-millionaire. My guess is he'll be hanging around now in Beverly. Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.
Sounds like she was in denial.