@Boosibri said:
Trueviews seem to take 1-2 weeks to post these days
Dang. My small regrade just popped - I guess it will be a while until the images are done. Bumped a couple of my AU's to 58 and downgraded a cracked out MS63 to a $&$%#^ 61 (was sure it would 62)
I almost got tricked into thinking this was a new question after I agreed with the "Start two set guys." I see you have already made the best decision for you. That's lucky for me because I was getting ready to UNLOAD!
For what it is worth, your collection illustrates just how daunting a task it would be to seek a complete collection of these beautiful coins in anything approaching uncirculated grade...
And, I fear prices for nice copies are going to go up as time goes by...
But that shouldn't stop you!
Happy New Year to you and everybody on this thread.
Beautiful coins!
I'll never comprehend the grading of these. Coins I think are MS turn out to be AU and vice-versa.
I'm still waiting on the grades for these 4 I submitted about 2 weeks ago. I'll update when they are posted... https://www.pcgs.com/shared-orders/order-details/21745433
@ColonelKlinck said:
Beautiful coins!
I'll never comprehend the grading of these. Coins I think are MS turn out to be AU and vice-versa.
I'm still waiting on the grades for these 4 I submitted about 2 weeks ago. I'll update when they are posted... https://www.pcgs.com/shared-orders/order-details/21745433
Thank you and good luck Colonel!
I manage money. I earn money. I save money . I give away money. I collect money. I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
@ColonelKlinck said:
Beautiful coins!
I'll never comprehend the grading of these. Coins I think are MS turn out to be AU and vice-versa.
I'm still waiting on the grades for these 4 I submitted about 2 weeks ago. I'll update when they are posted... https://www.pcgs.com/shared-orders/order-details/21745433
Do you have raw pictures you can post?
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
@ColonelKlinck said:
Beautiful coins!
I'll never comprehend the grading of these. Coins I think are MS turn out to be AU and vice-versa.
I'm still waiting on the grades for these 4 I submitted about 2 weeks ago. I'll update when they are posted... https://www.pcgs.com/shared-orders/order-details/21745433
Do you have raw pictures you can post?
Unfortunately I haven't. I failed to take pictures prior to sending them so I to need to wait until the submission is returned.
@bidask said:
Most recently ( August ) I submitted some really nice NGC cap & rays 8 reales to our host for crossover . ( still waiting on those results).
I have over 250 PCGS graded 8 reales in my registry and then some.
Should I continue to make an effort ( and cost) to cross to PCGS ?
Or own both PCGS and NGC coins for the collection Im building?
Given the uptick in demand for cap & rays 8 reales I am rethinking my strategy ........what to do ?
I welcome your opinions, thank you.
I don't get it. What has changed? And what does the "uptick in demand" have to do with your decision to do crossovers?
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@bidask said:
Most recently ( August ) I submitted some really nice NGC cap & rays 8 reales to our host for crossover . ( still waiting on those results).
I have over 250 PCGS graded 8 reales in my registry and then some.
Should I continue to make an effort ( and cost) to cross to PCGS ?
Or own both PCGS and NGC coins for the collection Im building?
Given the uptick in demand for cap & rays 8 reales I am rethinking my strategy ........what to do ?
I welcome your opinions, thank you.
I don't get it. What has changed? And what does the "uptick in demand" have to do with your decision to do crossovers?
Good question !
Nothing has changed .
Clearly not all NGC coins will cross to PCGS
I guess I’m trying to decide what to do with those that do it cross.
My reference to demand suggests that it really does not matter which holder
a particular coin is in at auction believing
prices will be good anyway.
Or does it matter ?
If I decide to let PCGS possibly downgrade a coin that does not cross my thinking is at this time with prices heating up that I may get less than otherwise by keeping the coin in a higher graded NGC slab.
However, I have no intention at this time of selling anyway .. so maybe I should just continue to seek crossovers and ultimately have the entire collection graded by PCGS .
What is your thought about that Mr Eureka ?
I manage money. I earn money. I save money . I give away money. I collect money. I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Do what makes you happy. My answer as to what makes you happy will be different from your answer and different from any of these other guys in here giving you their 2 cents. Do you really need our opinion on what most of us consider a truly remarkable collection no matter what the presentation plastic says?
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
@ncsuwolf74 said:
Do what makes you happy. My answer as to what makes you happy will be different from your answer and different from any of these other guys in here giving you their 2 cents. Do you really need our opinion on what most of us consider a truly remarkable collection no matter what the presentation plastic says?
YOUR OPINION MATTERS !!!!
I manage money. I earn money. I save money . I give away money. I collect money. I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
@bidask said:
Most recently ( August ) I submitted some really nice NGC cap & rays 8 reales to our host for crossover . ( still waiting on those results).
I have over 250 PCGS graded 8 reales in my registry and then some.
Should I continue to make an effort ( and cost) to cross to PCGS ?
Or own both PCGS and NGC coins for the collection Im building?
Given the uptick in demand for cap & rays 8 reales I am rethinking my strategy ........what to do ?
I welcome your opinions, thank you.
I don't get it. What has changed? And what does the "uptick in demand" have to do with your decision to do crossovers?
Good question !
Nothing has changed .
Clearly not all NGC coins will cross to PCGS
I guess I’m trying to decide what to do with those that do it cross.
My reference to demand suggests that it really does not matter which holder
a particular coin is in at auction believing
prices will be good anyway.
Or does it matter ?
If I decide to let PCGS possibly downgrade a coin that does not cross my thinking is at this time with prices heating up that I may get less than otherwise by keeping the coin in a higher graded NGC slab.
However, I have no intention at this time of selling anyway .. so maybe I should just continue to seek crossovers and ultimately have the entire collection graded by PCGS .
What is your thought about that Mr Eureka ?
Based on the assumption that the market does not favor PCGS over NGC, I would not downgrade anything at the present time. Instead, I'd hope to find better examples of those issues to upgrade the collection, and then sell the NGC coins as is.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
interesting perspective on grading comparisons, you have a large enough sample size to make an educated determination. Have you decided to sell or trade the NGC coins that don't cross. At the premium level you are collecting, nice coins that meet the set standards are hard to find.
Top quality US PCGS coins usually bring higher prices at auction. I think their grading is stricter and also more consistent. I have seen the same thing beginining to happen with world coins over the last few years. I think this trend will continue. "The best coins always end up in PCGS holders". It will become the mantra for world coins too, over time. NGC had a big head start in grading world coins which accounts for much of their popularity. For coins that are of lower grades or values I don't think it matters much at all which service you use.
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Latin American Collection
Nice results. Here's the correct link to the last order: https://www.pcgs.com/shared-orders/order-details/21667994
Would love to see that Peruvian.
8 Reales Madness Collection
Dang. My small regrade just popped - I guess it will be a while until the images are done. Bumped a couple of my AU's to 58 and downgraded a cracked out MS63 to a $&$%#^ 61 (was sure it would 62)
8 Reales Madness Collection
One thing is for sure, the vast majority of coins crossed. So much for the big difference between both TPG companies.
I'm not bidask, but I'm not gonna bother with crossovers at all and I have a mix of holders.
Many members on this forum that now it cannot fit in my signature. Please ask for entire list.
https://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/38216404_1000x1000.jpg
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
https://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/38216391_1000x1000.jpg
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
https://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/38216940_1000x1000.jpg
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
https://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/38216936_1000x1000.jpg
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
https://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/38216941_1000x1000.jpg
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
https://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/38216936_1000x1000.jpg
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
It was about time for PCGS. That 1842 is great looking.
Great looking bunch. You did well.
8 Reales Madness Collection
http://www.coinnews.net/2019/12/12/ngc-opens-ngc-registry-to-pcgs-certified-us-coins/
I am all over the place . The coins I crossed to PCGS I have not removed from the NGC registry although I have the NGC certs.
The NGC coins I have are still numerable.
Do I continue to build the PCGS registry or reverse course again because of this new development ?
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I almost got tricked into thinking this was a new question after I agreed with the "Start two set guys." I see you have already made the best decision for you. That's lucky for me because I was getting ready to UNLOAD!
Happy New Year!
That's only for US sets.
8 Reales Madness Collection
Ahh ....thank you then I will press on with PCGS.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
This is, hands down, an amazing collection.
For what it is worth, your collection illustrates just how daunting a task it would be to seek a complete collection of these beautiful coins in anything approaching uncirculated grade...
And, I fear prices for nice copies are going to go up as time goes by...
But that shouldn't stop you!
Happy New Year to you and everybody on this thread.
Beautiful coins!
I'll never comprehend the grading of these. Coins I think are MS turn out to be AU and vice-versa.
I'm still waiting on the grades for these 4 I submitted about 2 weeks ago. I'll update when they are posted...
https://www.pcgs.com/shared-orders/order-details/21745433
Thank you and good luck Colonel!
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Do you have raw pictures you can post?
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
Jim Elliot
Unfortunately I haven't. I failed to take pictures prior to sending them so I to need to wait until the submission is returned.
Most recently ( August ) I submitted some really nice NGC cap & rays 8 reales to our host for crossover . ( still waiting on those results).
I have over 250 PCGS graded 8 reales in my registry and then some.
Should I continue to make an effort ( and cost) to cross to PCGS ?
Or own both PCGS and NGC coins for the collection Im building?
Given the uptick in demand for cap & rays 8 reales I am rethinking my strategy ........what to do ?
I welcome your opinions, thank you.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I don't get it. What has changed? And what does the "uptick in demand" have to do with your decision to do crossovers?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Good question !
Nothing has changed .
Clearly not all NGC coins will cross to PCGS
I guess I’m trying to decide what to do with those that do it cross.
My reference to demand suggests that it really does not matter which holder
a particular coin is in at auction believing
prices will be good anyway.
Or does it matter ?
If I decide to let PCGS possibly downgrade a coin that does not cross my thinking is at this time with prices heating up that I may get less than otherwise by keeping the coin in a higher graded NGC slab.
However, I have no intention at this time of selling anyway .. so maybe I should just continue to seek crossovers and ultimately have the entire collection graded by PCGS .
What is your thought about that Mr Eureka ?
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Do what makes you happy. My answer as to what makes you happy will be different from your answer and different from any of these other guys in here giving you their 2 cents. Do you really need our opinion on what most of us consider a truly remarkable collection no matter what the presentation plastic says?
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
Jim Elliot
YOUR OPINION MATTERS !!!!
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Based on the assumption that the market does not favor PCGS over NGC, I would not downgrade anything at the present time. Instead, I'd hope to find better examples of those issues to upgrade the collection, and then sell the NGC coins as is.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I am still crossing from NGC to PCGS ....about 40% success rate .
Here is one that actually plus upgraded. PCGS 64 +
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I guess most know by now that PCGS is where my registry resides.
I have spent thousands to cross NGC 8 reales to PCGS......( about a 50/50 endeavor)
I find PCGS to be more strict on grading the 8 reales cap & rays series I collect and I like it that way !
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
dang that's nice
Thank you ,
Here is 3 that did not cross wowee!
Line Items Cert # PCGS # Description Grade Region
1 1 47907229 519101 1825-Go JJ 8 R Go03 KM-377.8 DNC Mexico
2 1 47907230 404085 1876-Zs JA 8 R Zs60 DNC Mexico
3 1 47907231 519525 1860-Mo TH 8 R Mo47 DNC
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
This one crossed ....1839 GO PJ/JJ
These did not
3 1 45962740 519363 1867-Ho PR 8 R Ho09 DNC Mexico
4 1 45962741 719379 1866-Ho FM 8 R Ho07 DNC Mexico
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
interesting perspective on grading comparisons, you have a large enough sample size to make an educated determination. Have you decided to sell or trade the NGC coins that don't cross. At the premium level you are collecting, nice coins that meet the set standards are hard to find.
Im keeping my NGC coins if they are tough dates.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Incredible collection, thank you for sharing. High quality 8 reales are so difficult to find, now I know where a lot of them reside.
Why do you like it that way?
FWIW, I have two primary collections. One is strictly NGC and the other almost strictly PCGS, so I'm not playing favorites.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
PCGS graded coins in this series seem to bring more at auction
I have had to pay up as well such a coin .
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Top quality US PCGS coins usually bring higher prices at auction. I think their grading is stricter and also more consistent. I have seen the same thing beginining to happen with world coins over the last few years. I think this trend will continue. "The best coins always end up in PCGS holders". It will become the mantra for world coins too, over time. NGC had a big head start in grading world coins which accounts for much of their popularity. For coins that are of lower grades or values I don't think it matters much at all which service you use.