Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@lkenefic said:
Serious question... If something is a widget at MS62/3/4.... is it still a widget at 67? It's just a really nice widget...
If something is a blast white, "ricko approved" widget, is it still a widget when it gets toned? ...just a colorful widget..
@lkenefic said:
Serious question... If something is a widget at MS62/3/4.... is it still a widget at 67? It's just a really nice widget...
If something is a blast white, "ricko approved" widget, is it still a widget when it gets toned? ...just a colorful widget..
I would say so, but most others probably would disagree.
My definition of widget is common even using the US centric definitions of scarcity in use today. I make an exception for somewhat common coins if it's attributes make it distinctive but not otherwise. As another example, the more common date $20 US Assay Territorial gold is not scarce, I'd call it common but still don't classify it as a "widget". On the other hand, a condition census coin which is a "widget" in "high quality" but lower grades is still common, except under the extremely liberal standards prevalent in US collecting today and the last few decades.
This type of coin does not have the distinction US collectors typically claim because the difference in quality is exaggerated. I attribute it to the much higher price level versus the past. US collectors didn't hold this opinion before the price level took a quantum leap and collectors elsewhere overwhelmingly don't hold the same opinion of their own coinage. From what I know, in other collectible fields, this type of opinion only exists where most are mass produced.
@kiyote said:
I got the straight from the mint back in 2008
Those are pure artwork. I have a full set of $25 and $10 coins. Perceptions seem to change on these with platinum under $900 they're junk, when it hits a couple grand everyone will be going ga ga over them, those crazy collectors. Hope you got first strike that adds 10 bucks🌪😋
Loved Eric's book on moderns, maybe a good time to look into them again for seconds at this time. Remember the craze😄 It's still there but seems to change every week as the NEXT low mintage unfolds. I don't think I can afford all those low mintages anymore they wheel out one and up comes another. Too bad the fractionals ended.
Now days keys seem change every coin, it just doesn't seem like keys anymore. Just non collected widgets with little seperation.
Remember the fractional buffalo craze? Man buy a set for under 2 grand and flip it on the bay for over 5 grand before the credit card was due. Never did that but many did, that's one way to support your crack addiction 😂
Can't afford those new cars anymore. So I buy old used car junk 🤥
Talk about one goes down and another being run on reminds me of this story🤔
“I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am right. I do not know that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of relativity, I was convinced that their conclusions would tally with my hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919, confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been wrong.”
“Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?”
“I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.”
Albert Einstein- quoted in Saturday Evening Post interview (1929)
It seems to me that one of the things that coin collectors love is the, "who could have handled this coin?", question.
Now normally I would consider a 1964 Roosevelt, over 900,000,000 of which were minted, as a widget. If it was defaced, depending on how it was defaced, for example turned into love token or just seriously scratched up, I'd consider it either a widget or dreck.
If you've ever seen the movie, "The Right Stuff", you know that Gus Grissom took with him a couple of rolls of (1961-D) Roosevelts on his Liberty Bell 7 flight. Those are probably the most famous set of early space flown US coins. The flight did not end well, and the capsule sank in the Atlantic.
Four years later Grissom commanded Gemini 3, the first manned Gemini flight (and only the 7th US manned spaceflight). The flight was also the first significant US manned space "First" (the USSR had won all the significant manned space firsts before that), in that it was the first manned spaceflight to change orbits. Every manned flight before that, USSR and US, had gone on simple ballistic trajectories with the spacecraft being able to change it's attitude, e.g. pitch, roll and yaw, but that was it. By changing orbits the spacecraft showed that it was theoretically possible to do a rendezvous maneuver.
Grissom took only one dime with him on this flight, a 1964. After the flight he scratched GT-3 into it with his survival knife (G for Gemini, the spacecraft, and T for Titan, the rocket). He then gave the dime to Guenter Wendt, the so called Pad Leader, the head of the team that got the space capsule ready to go for flight.
So, what is it... a widget, dreck, or a classic coin...
@kiyote said:
I got the straight from the mint back in 2008
Those are pure artwork. I have a full set of $25 and $10 coins. Perceptions seem to change on these with platinum under $900 they're junk, when it hits a couple grand everyone will be going ga ga over them, those crazy collectors. Hope you got first strike that adds 10 bucks🌪😋
Loved Eric's book on moderns, maybe a good time to look into them again for seconds at this time. Remember the craze😄 It's still there but seems to change every week as the NEXT low mintage unfolds. I don't think I can afford all those low mintages anymore they wheel out one and up comes another. Too bad the fractionals ended.
Now days keys seem change every coin, it just doesn't seem like keys anymore. Just non collected widgets with little seperation.
Remember the fractional buffalo craze? Man buy a set for under 2 grand and flip it on the bay for over 5 grand before the credit card was due. Never did that but many did, that's one way to support your crack addiction 😂
Can't afford those new cars anymore. So I buy old used car junk 🤥
Talk about one goes down and another being run on reminds me of this story🤔
I think that when confronting a commem, a Morgan dollar or anything 20th century, the coin must be considered a widget (at best) unless it has unusual properties (rare date, exceptional toning, superb condition, etc.). If you look around a typical coin show, you will see mostly widgets and dreck. As a collector, I strive to collect things that are not commonly found at a typical coin show.
That said, if you look at ALL the coins I have in my possession, a vast majority are widgets. I probably even have some dreck around. I try to get rid of the dreck every Passover, but it keeps coming back.
@SkyMan I feel I must explain my "dreck" rating on your cherished dime after such a nice description of its history. It just doesn't do anything for me despite the history.
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@SkyMan said:
It seems to me that one of the things that coin collectors love is the, "who could have handled this coin?", question.
Now normally I would consider a 1964 Roosevelt, over 900,000,000 of which were minted, as a widget. If it was defaced, depending on how it was defaced, for example turned into love token or just seriously scratched up, I'd consider it either a widget or dreck.
If you've ever seen the movie, "The Right Stuff", you know that Gus Grissom took with him a couple of rolls of (1961-D) Roosevelts on his Liberty Bell 7 flight. Those are probably the most famous set of early space flown US coins. The flight did not end well, and the capsule sank in the Atlantic.
Four years later Grissom commanded Gemini 3, the first manned Gemini flight (and only the 7th US manned spaceflight). The flight was also the first significant US manned space "First" (the USSR had won all the significant manned space firsts before that), in that it was the first manned spaceflight to change orbits. Every manned flight before that, USSR and US, had gone on simple ballistic trajectories with the spacecraft being able to change it's attitude, e.g. pitch, roll and yaw, but that was it. By changing orbits the spacecraft showed that it was theoretically possible to do a rendezvous maneuver.
Grissom took only one dime with him on this flight, a 1964. After the flight he scratched GT-3 into it with his survival knife (G for Gemini, the spacecraft, and T for Titan, the rocket). He then gave the dime to Guenter Wendt, the so called Pad Leader, the head of the team that got the space capsule ready to go for flight.
So, what is it... a widget, dreck, or a classic coin...
@Catbert said: @SkyMan I feel I must explain my "dreck" rating on your cherished dime after such a nice description of its history. It just doesn't do anything for me despite the history.
I agree with @Catbert. It’s a great piece of space exploration history and worthy of collection for that reason. As a coin...dreck.
in absolute rarity terms there are very few non-Widget US coins, but as RYK pointed out, characteristics of those coins are what moves them to either "Classy" or "Dreck" based on personal preference. I'm a Type collector and to some extent a Date collector, but my real wheel-house is Exonumia where it's easier to realize true, actual rarity and a "Classy" medal. right now I'm chasing a few that are breathtaking in design, much more so than any US coin, but that again is a personal opinion.
Definitely didn't think this would be the one to get the most "widget" responses (and 1 dreck!) Maybe people aren't familiar with the variety or they just don't like the toning...
@SimpleCollector said:
Interested to see the answer on bloodmans $20 coin, I say classy, but curious if others say it is still a widget
We all may have opinions. Some folks are just wrong. 😉
I don't consider it a "widget" under the assumption it actually is relatively close in appearance to a proof. However, I do consider every single non-PL 1904 double eagle a "widget".
Definitely didn't think this would be the one to get the most "widget" responses (and 1 dreck!) Maybe people aren't familiar with the variety or they just don't like the toning...
Hard to believe someone would call one of your coins "dreck". I consider both "widgets" because both are common like every other business strike Morgan except when some narrow or arbitrary criteria is applied. From all Morgan dollars, I exclude proofs (especially branch mint) and maybe the better (as in choice AU or better) 1893-S and 1889-CC due to their key date status but that's it.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I would say so, but most others probably would disagree.
My definition of widget is common even using the US centric definitions of scarcity in use today. I make an exception for somewhat common coins if it's attributes make it distinctive but not otherwise. As another example, the more common date $20 US Assay Territorial gold is not scarce, I'd call it common but still don't classify it as a "widget". On the other hand, a condition census coin which is a "widget" in "high quality" but lower grades is still common, except under the extremely liberal standards prevalent in US collecting today and the last few decades.
This type of coin does not have the distinction US collectors typically claim because the difference in quality is exaggerated. I attribute it to the much higher price level versus the past. US collectors didn't hold this opinion before the price level took a quantum leap and collectors elsewhere overwhelmingly don't hold the same opinion of their own coinage. From what I know, in other collectible fields, this type of opinion only exists where most are mass produced.
Interested to see the answer on bloodmans $20 coin, I say classy, but curious if others say it is still a widget
We all may have opinions. Some folks are just wrong. 😉
How about this one to signify the real end of the Morgan dollar run?
Those are pure artwork. I have a full set of $25 and $10 coins. Perceptions seem to change on these with platinum under $900 they're junk, when it hits a couple grand everyone will be going ga ga over them, those crazy collectors. Hope you got first strike that adds 10 bucks🌪😋
Loved Eric's book on moderns, maybe a good time to look into them again for seconds at this time. Remember the craze😄 It's still there but seems to change every week as the NEXT low mintage unfolds. I don't think I can afford all those low mintages anymore they wheel out one and up comes another. Too bad the fractionals ended.
Now days keys seem change every coin, it just doesn't seem like keys anymore. Just non collected widgets with little seperation.
Remember the fractional buffalo craze? Man buy a set for under 2 grand and flip it on the bay for over 5 grand before the credit card was due. Never did that but many did, that's one way to support your crack addiction 😂
Can't afford those new cars anymore. So I buy old used car junk 🤥
Talk about one goes down and another being run on reminds me of this story🤔
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@RYK Which internet forum pot were you stirring during your hiatus from these boards?
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what about this one:
@coinbuf you really think that's a widget? I kindda think @specialist might not call that a widget!
I like to play this Andrews Sisters song when I play with my coins...
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=OjaM_pIal58]
“I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am right. I do not know that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of relativity, I was convinced that their conclusions would tally with my hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919, confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been wrong.”
“Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?”
“I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.”
Albert Einstein- quoted in Saturday Evening Post interview (1929)
It seems to me that one of the things that coin collectors love is the, "who could have handled this coin?", question.
Now normally I would consider a 1964 Roosevelt, over 900,000,000 of which were minted, as a widget. If it was defaced, depending on how it was defaced, for example turned into love token or just seriously scratched up, I'd consider it either a widget or dreck.
If you've ever seen the movie, "The Right Stuff", you know that Gus Grissom took with him a couple of rolls of (1961-D) Roosevelts on his Liberty Bell 7 flight. Those are probably the most famous set of early space flown US coins. The flight did not end well, and the capsule sank in the Atlantic.
Four years later Grissom commanded Gemini 3, the first manned Gemini flight (and only the 7th US manned spaceflight). The flight was also the first significant US manned space "First" (the USSR had won all the significant manned space firsts before that), in that it was the first manned spaceflight to change orbits. Every manned flight before that, USSR and US, had gone on simple ballistic trajectories with the spacecraft being able to change it's attitude, e.g. pitch, roll and yaw, but that was it. By changing orbits the spacecraft showed that it was theoretically possible to do a rendezvous maneuver.
Grissom took only one dime with him on this flight, a 1964. After the flight he scratched GT-3 into it with his survival knife (G for Gemini, the spacecraft, and T for Titan, the rocket). He then gave the dime to Guenter Wendt, the so called Pad Leader, the head of the team that got the space capsule ready to go for flight.
So, what is it... a widget, dreck, or a classic coin...
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I think that when confronting a commem, a Morgan dollar or anything 20th century, the coin must be considered a widget (at best) unless it has unusual properties (rare date, exceptional toning, superb condition, etc.). If you look around a typical coin show, you will see mostly widgets and dreck. As a collector, I strive to collect things that are not commonly found at a typical coin show.
That said, if you look at ALL the coins I have in my possession, a vast majority are widgets. I probably even have some dreck around. I try to get rid of the dreck every Passover, but it keeps coming back.
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@SkyMan I feel I must explain my "dreck" rating on your cherished dime after such a nice description of its history. It just doesn't do anything for me despite the history.
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I agree with @Catbert. It’s a great piece of space exploration history and worthy of collection for that reason. As a coin...dreck.
in absolute rarity terms there are very few non-Widget US coins, but as RYK pointed out, characteristics of those coins are what moves them to either "Classy" or "Dreck" based on personal preference. I'm a Type collector and to some extent a Date collector, but my real wheel-house is Exonumia where it's easier to realize true, actual rarity and a "Classy" medal. right now I'm chasing a few that are breathtaking in design, much more so than any US coin, but that again is a personal opinion.
I agree. Most Exonumia is dreck or widgetie. Maybe one in fity medalions are worth the praise as classic/classie.
Definitely didn't think this would be the one to get the most "widget" responses (and 1 dreck!) Maybe people aren't familiar with the variety or they just don't like the toning...
I don't consider it a "widget" under the assumption it actually is relatively close in appearance to a proof. However, I do consider every single non-PL 1904 double eagle a "widget".
Hard to believe someone would call one of your coins "dreck". I consider both "widgets" because both are common like every other business strike Morgan except when some narrow or arbitrary criteria is applied. From all Morgan dollars, I exclude proofs (especially branch mint) and maybe the better (as in choice AU or better) 1893-S and 1889-CC due to their key date status but that's it.