Same rarity as an 1804$1...

tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 18,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 10, 2019 8:41PM in U.S. Coin Forum

....at a tenth the price. Couldn’t resist buying the pair




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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2019 9:36PM

    Stunners

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  • 1peter12231peter1223 Posts: 326 ✭✭✭

    Great pick up.Congrats .

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019 8:46PM

    Does this mean you are eyeing an 1804 $1 Restrike, so you can have a pair of those, too? :smile:

  • KeithMS70KeithMS70 Posts: 109 ✭✭✭

    My favorite series!!! Those are some beauties!!!!!!! Holy smokes!!! Nice pick up.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 8,170 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Distinct differences on the reverse; The vanes on the arrows, E Pluribus Unum ribbon and UNITED STATES OF AMERICA positions, etc...one is an original proof (1st) and one the restrike (2nd)? Those are a couple of beauties!

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  • AuroraBorealisAuroraBorealis Posts: 3,530 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty pair! I bet the eye appeal makes you smile...Congrats!

  • GoBustGoBust Posts: 196 ✭✭✭

    Congratulations Bruce, both are terrific coins! The 1827/3 original really is of monumental numismatic importance. Was always valued like an 1804 silver dollar historically, but of course was made in 1827 and not at a much later date for collectors like the 1804. The 1827/3 restrike quarter with die rust clear are sisters to the 1804 restrike Class 3 dollars made at a much later date.

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭✭

    Very nice. Great history.

    One can be used as a cornerstone piece in your new digs(?)

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 20,624 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Swoon.

    My dreams..

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  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 6,546 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2019 6:43AM

    Noice

  • rickoricko Posts: 63,154 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice acquisitions...Good detail.... Cheers, RickO

  • ranshdowranshdow Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭

    So the pimples/pocks on the reverse of the restrike- for my own education, those for sure are die rust and not some pestilence or corrosion on the coin itself?

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 18,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Correct

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 21,258 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great coins and value! I underbid the restrike, which is the best I’ve ever seen.

    Andy Lustig

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 18,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:
    Great coins and value! I underbid the restrike, which is the best I’ve ever seen.

    Thanks! Now I just need my old copper restrike back. And if I really want to complete the set, maybe the Eliasberg early restrike

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 21,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 12, 2019 8:49PM

    BTW, I was surprised to see the significant die rotation on the original. Are there others like that? Made me wonder if the B-1 originals could have been struck on two occasions.

    Andy Lustig

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 11,522 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice additions!

  • privaterarecoincollectorprivaterarecoincollector Posts: 410 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2019 8:50PM

    I like them too, wished I had bought the Pogue coin some time ago:
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1827-3-25c-original-ca/85373

  • GazesGazes Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭✭

    @privaterarecoincollector said:
    I like them too, I bought the Pogue coin some time ago:
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1827-3-25c-original-ca/85373

    Gorgeous coin Privaterarecoincollector

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 5,151 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2019 12:54PM

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @MrEureka said:
    Great coins and value! I underbid the restrike, which is the best I’ve ever seen.

    Thanks! Now I just need my old copper restrike back. And if I really want to complete the set, maybe the Eliasberg early restrike

    Was that a 64RB (almost full red with a spotty area) that HA sold quite a while back? I think I was the under-bidder on that. Had the Anderson Dupont back in '99 or so, sold it to Larry Hanks. 65RB but not as flashy. I'm sure the Eliasberg transitional is locatable. :*

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 4,649 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, I really like the looks of those.

    Great rarity, also.

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 21,258 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @MrEureka said:
    Great coins and value! I underbid the restrike, which is the best I’ve ever seen.

    Thanks! Now I just need my old copper restrike back. And if I really want to complete the set, maybe the Eliasberg early restrike

    What makes you think that the Eliasberg “early restrike “ is a restrike?

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 18,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes we’ve had that discussion before

  • 23Pairer23Pairer Posts: 897 ✭✭✭

    Oh, to be a “fly on the wall” when you view these beautiful busties!

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 21,258 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Yes we’ve had that discussion before

    Sorry, I don’t remember your answer from before. I’m sure it was well reasoned, though.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lovely coins. I appreciate your truly generous giveaway.

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 21,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 12, 2019 10:31PM

    .

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    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.

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  • ColonialcoinColonialcoin Posts: 529 ✭✭✭✭

    Nice video!

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 6,022 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1/10 of .... ?

    Beautiful addition .... Bravo :)

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 18,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @MrEureka said:
    Great coins and value! I underbid the restrike, which is the best I’ve ever seen.

    Thanks! Now I just need my old copper restrike back. And if I really want to complete the set, maybe the Eliasberg early restrike

    It's funny. TDN's bad-mouthing my Eliasberg 1827 B-2 Original (that he admits to wanting to buy) really pissed me off. Reminded me of STEWARTBLAY badmouthing coins in upcoming auctions. But rather than responding with something nasty (like telling him what he could do with his two new coins) or challenging him to a public debate (which he would surely decline), I simply re-watched this video where he needlessly pissed away $3.5 million. Now I feel a whole lot better. I'm over it.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=loypv9U0ZDc

    Wtf?

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 21,258 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My thoughts exactly.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.

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  • @MrEureka said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @MrEureka said:
    Great coins and value! I underbid the restrike, which is the best I’ve ever seen.

    Thanks! Now I just need my old copper restrike back. And if I really want to complete the set, maybe the Eliasberg early restrike

    It's funny. TDN's bad-mouthing my Eliasberg 1827 B-2 Original (that he admits to wanting to buy) really pissed me off. Reminded me of STEWARTBLAY badmouthing coins in upcoming auctions. But rather than responding with something nasty (like telling him what he could do with his two new coins) or challenging him to a public debate (which he would surely decline), I simply re-watched this video where he needlessly pissed away $3.5 million. Now I feel a whole lot better. I'm over it.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=loypv9U0ZDc

    this is the slappy numismatic drama that sustains me - keep it coming, gents!

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 18,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:
    My thoughts exactly.

    Me questioning the die rust called out in the auction description is not ‘bad mouthing ‘ a coin. Calling it an original struck before the other originals is a fine theory if there’s no die rust that’s not apparent on the supposedly later struck originals.

    Refute the auction description and speculate away - more power to you. But kindly leave me out of your decade old grudge

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 21,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 12, 2019 10:11PM

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @MrEureka said:
    My thoughts exactly.

    Me questioning the die rust called out in the auction description is not ‘bad mouthing ‘ a coin. Calling it an original struck before the other originals is a fine theory if there’s no die rust that’s not apparent on the supposedly later struck originals.

    Refute the auction description and speculate away - more power to you. But kindly leave me out of your decade old grudge

    No grudge over the decade old thread. I had completely forgotten what you posted back then. The "bad-mouthing" to which I referred was your calling the coin an "early restrike" in the current thread. And even that wouldn't have bothered me if it hadn't been in that context of your expressing an interest in buying the coin. That struck me as rude, cutthroat and obnoxious.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 18,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @MrEureka said:
    My thoughts exactly.

    Me questioning the die rust called out in the auction description is not ‘bad mouthing ‘ a coin. Calling it an original struck before the other originals is a fine theory if there’s no die rust that’s not apparent on the supposedly later struck originals.

    Refute the auction description and speculate away - more power to you. But kindly leave me out of your decade old grudge

    No grudge over the decade old thread. I had completely forgotten what you posted back then. The "bad-mouthing" to which I referred was your calling the coin an "early restrike" in the current thread. And even that wouldn't have bothered me if it hadn't been in that context of your expressing an interest in buying the coin. That struck me as rude, cutthroat and obnoxious.

    Wow. Forgive me - quarters are not my specialty. I had no idea that the Eliasberg ‘restrike‘ was considered to be anything other than that. I vaguely recalled the debate from a decade ago and in my mind if the coin had light die rust on the obverse per the catalog description, it was a restrike. I see now, ten years later an assertion the description was in error and there is no die rust.

    The venomous slant of your posts is totally uncalled for and insulting.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @MrEureka said:
    Great coins and value! I underbid the restrike, which is the best I’ve ever seen.

    Thanks! Now I just need my old copper restrike back. And if I really want to complete the set, maybe the Eliasberg early restrike

    It's funny. TDN's bad-mouthing my Eliasberg 1827 B-2 Original (that he admits to wanting to buy) really pissed me off. Reminded me of STEWARTBLAY badmouthing coins in upcoming auctions. But rather than responding with something nasty (like telling him what he could do with his two new coins) or challenging him to a public debate (which he would surely decline), I simply re-watched this video where he needlessly pissed away $3.5 million. Now I feel a whole lot better. I'm over it.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=loypv9U0ZDc

    and that’s when the fight started

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 21,258 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @MrEureka said:
    My thoughts exactly.

    Me questioning the die rust called out in the auction description is not ‘bad mouthing ‘ a coin. Calling it an original struck before the other originals is a fine theory if there’s no die rust that’s not apparent on the supposedly later struck originals.

    Refute the auction description and speculate away - more power to you. But kindly leave me out of your decade old grudge

    No grudge over the decade old thread. I had completely forgotten what you posted back then. The "bad-mouthing" to which I referred was your calling the coin an "early restrike" in the current thread. And even that wouldn't have bothered me if it hadn't been in that context of your expressing an interest in buying the coin. That struck me as rude, cutthroat and obnoxious.

    Wow. Forgive me - quarters are not my specialty. I had no idea that the Eliasberg ‘restrike‘ was considered to be anything other than that. I vaguely recalled the debate from a decade ago and in my mind if the coin had light die rust on the obverse per the catalog description, it was a restrike. I see now, ten years later an assertion the description was in error and there is no die rust.

    The venomous slant of your posts is totally uncalled for and insulting.

    Apology accepted. Sorry I overreacted.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.

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  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 144 ✭✭✭

    I don't know these coins. I'm wondering if that is a little design between the CA of America on the second coin maybe to designate a restrike?

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 21,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2019 11:59AM

    @JimTyler said:
    I don't know these coins. I'm wondering if that is a little design between the CA of America on the second coin maybe to designate a restrike?

    The coins are struck from the same obverse die, which rusted between the original use in 1827 and the restriking 40+ years later. They were struck from completely different reverse dies. The original used a new die, which was re-used in 1828 and then retired. The restrike used a reverse die first used in 1819, then used (in an unrusted but slightly cracked state) to strike the so-called “essays”, and then reused (after it rusted) for the restrikes.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.

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