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the obverse is similar to HK-596/German-American BiCentennial from 1883 held in Philadelphia. the listing states there were two issues but one was to small at 33mm. to be included. if Pioneer can verify the diameter it may be that his medal is the SC$ listing. it was struck by William H. Warner & Bro., Philadelphia.
Cardinal, mine is White Metal, is yours Brass?? I have a fondness for the Confederation Motif which is much easier to find in White Metal. Thomas Elder used it extensively after he obtained the die(s) and it really looks nice in Brass and Bronze, they just don't show up very often. coincidently, I was looking at some Colonial Notes this morning, I think CC-84, which has the original Confederation design. I'll get one someday.
The photos really say a 1000 words and are a great way to compare these!
Would it be just as correct to call the Empire strikings, Bowers strikings? It would fit better because Dickeson, Elder and Bashlow are all person names.
Are the whereabouts of the dies known now? Were they part of the stash that August Conrad Frank sold?
I guess this will be mine. Wasn’t planning on planning on winning this coin, but when I was skunked on all my other items, I kind of ended up with it... so it’s my first SCD. Curious if this is a series that people find interesting... I collect type coins and patriotic CWT...do you think SCD would be an interesting diversion?
@SimpleCollector said:
I guess this will be mine. Wasn’t planning on planning on winning this coin, but when I was skunked on all my other items, I kind of ended up with it... so it’s my first SCD. Curious if this is a series that people find interesting... I collect type coins and patriotic CWT...do you think SCD would be an interesting diversion?
The Montana Dollar is one of my favorite So-Called Dollars. The fact it is silver is a great bonus. I also collect Civil War Token Patriotics. The historical significance is different so that is something you must consider but I do like the variation in compositions like CWTs along with the larger size. Congrats on your pick up and I hope you stay with it
Thanks u
I don’t have evidence but think my HK-573 was struck early in the process and conserved. Photos do no justice except for a very light scuff on reverse it’s close to flawless I think MS69+ would be correct.
I was born in Wisconsin so I'll stick with this one:
Wisconsin So-Called-Dollar. Medal commemorates 100th anniversary as territory, not State¬hood, Wisconsin having been admitted to Union May 29, 1848. Legislature created Wisconsin Centennial, Inc. 1933 with $500 appropriation, later increased. Celebration was state-wide, highlight being presentation of pageant, "Centennial Cavalcade of Wisconsin," in stadium of University of Wisconsin, Madison, June 27-July 5, 1936; "witnessed by at least 75,000 spectators."
This was official medal, sponsored and designed by Commission; 1,500 pieces struck in Bronze; sold for $1.
Obv. Capitol building, clouds behind; at base on small ribbon 1936; smaller edifice to l.; at base, on small ribbon 1836; above all, around Wisconsin Territorial Centennial; below all is prone animal (badger?) on dotted line.
Rev. Eagle in upper center panel; to l. 19 / June / 27, to r. 36 / July / 5; above at border Madison; below panel Official / Wisconsin /Centennial / Celebration; stars all around at border. HK-696 Bronze. 37mm., Scarce.
@Pioneer said:
1884 Granger (ie. Farmer) Fair medal from Williams Grove, PA.... I love the obverse.... wish I owned that die....
That looks great. Is the engraver and issuer known? Is the die known to exist?
I think the engraver is "EAK" -- Edward A KRETSCHMAN. His initials can be found on many medals from the 1880s; the obverse die is paired with reverse dies with his initials. I believe this is a product of the William Warner & Brother Company of Philadelphia.
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@Pioneer said:
1884 Granger (ie. Farmer) Fair medal from Williams Grove, PA.... I love the obverse.... wish I owned that die....
That looks great. Is the engraver and issuer known? Is the die known to exist?
I think the engraver is "EAK" -- Edward A KRETSCHMAN. His initials can be found on many medals from the 1880s; the obverse die is paired with reverse dies with his initials. I believe this is a product of the William Warner & Brother Company of Philadelphia.
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As with many things in collecting, certain die marriages make connections. He's one. Advanced SCD collectors should figure out why this is important. It's a cross section of the US Mint, Philadelphia, William Warner & Bro Company, and many other SCDs.
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I bought the dies for these in the 1980's to keep them from being restruck, but later sold the dies with my Elder collection to Leon Hendrickson. Does anybody know where the dies are today?
@CaptHenway - Tom: Leon had me handle a good number of the large items from that good sized Washingtonia collection that he purchased long ago (provenance escapes me at the moment). I had a chance to have a quick look at his (your?) Elder collection but I do not recall seeing any dies (airport time was looming). Do you recall if you had a gold DeLorey-70 (2 struck, probably from the Brand sale) in your collection? If not It's possible that Leon added that piece as he did try to expand the collection after he bought it. I will ask Jerry S. if he recalls what Leon or others did with the Elder collection (although I'm not sure I want to know the answer).
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
@Regulated said:
Technically, I suppose these fit the bill...
Excellent point!
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I bought the dies for these in the 1980's to keep them from being restruck, but later sold the dies with my Elder collection to Leon Hendrickson. Does anybody know where the dies are today?
@CaptHenway - Tom: Leon had me handle a good number of the large items from that good sized Washingtonia collection that he purchased long ago (provenance escapes me at the moment). I had a chance to have a quick look at his (your?) Elder collection but I do not recall seeing any dies (airport time was looming). Do you recall if you had a gold DeLorey-70 (2 struck, probably from the Brand sale) in your collection? If not It's possible that Leon added that piece as he did try to expand the collection after he bought it. I will ask Jerry S. if he recalls what Leon or others did with the Elder collection (although I'm not sure I want to know the answer).
According to my recently found inventory notes I had DeLorey-70 in Copper, Gilt Brass, White Metal and Aluminum.
TD
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This is definitely my favorite, but I dont have one. Therefore if you want to swap yours, let me know!
You are "barking up the wrong tree" That is a Civil War token, not a So-Called Dollar. That reverse appeared with several obverses that range from scarce to rare. When I was dealer, the most common varieties were selling for about $125. Now it's thousands.
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My problem is I have no favorites…….I love them all. I guess it was in my best interest when g-d decided I couldn’t have kids
because I would have had a dozen
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Great HK-154 @ldhair!
I like these and have multiples. Here's one that’s top pop 1/0 ATS. None graded same or higher at PCGS.
Great stuff keets
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H-K # 268
Listed as Very Scarce.
[251 to 500 known]
Obverse:
can't post picture, sorry
BHNC #203
My only one.
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1884 Granger (ie. Farmer) Fair medal from Williams Grove, PA.... I love the obverse.... wish I owned that die....
That looks great. Is the engraver and issuer known? Is the die known to exist?
HK-268, Official Medal, 1895 Cotton States Exposition - Year: 1895
Thanks
BHNC #203
Is the engraver and issuer known
the obverse is similar to HK-596/German-American BiCentennial from 1883 held in Philadelphia. the listing states there were two issues but one was to small at 33mm. to be included. if Pioneer can verify the diameter it may be that his medal is the SC$ listing. it was struck by William H. Warner & Bro., Philadelphia.
It's either this one:
or this one:
Dang.........@cardinal Those 2 are stunning! Yours?
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
Yes! I've acquired the Confederation piece four years ago, and the Pan-American piece 8 years ago.
Cardinal, mine is White Metal, is yours Brass?? I have a fondness for the Confederation Motif which is much easier to find in White Metal. Thomas Elder used it extensively after he obtained the die(s) and it really looks nice in Brass and Bronze, they just don't show up very often. coincidently, I was looking at some Colonial Notes this morning, I think CC-84, which has the original Confederation design. I'll get one someday.
@keets Yes, my Confederation SCD is Brass. Your White Metal one is lovely! I really need to get mine to PCGS for crossover and TrueView photos!
My granger piece is 35mm.... like HK-607
Thought i'd post this about Dickeson vs. Elder vs. moderns.....
Great description @Pioneer!
The photos really say a 1000 words and are a great way to compare these!
Would it be just as correct to call the Empire strikings, Bowers strikings? It would fit better because Dickeson, Elder and Bashlow are all person names.
Are the whereabouts of the dies known now? Were they part of the stash that August Conrad Frank sold?
I guess this will be mine. Wasn’t planning on planning on winning this coin, but when I was skunked on all my other items, I kind of ended up with it... so it’s my first SCD. Curious if this is a series that people find interesting... I collect type coins and patriotic CWT...do you think SCD would be an interesting diversion?
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
Wow! A MS69! That’s great @jabba!
Probably the cheapest top pop coin Cost me $150 that’d a lot for an HK-573 kinda nice
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
The Montana Dollar is one of my favorite So-Called Dollars. The fact it is silver is a great bonus. I also collect Civil War Token Patriotics. The historical significance is different so that is something you must consider but I do like the variation in compositions like CWTs along with the larger size. Congrats on your pick up and I hope you stay with it
Both new post show excellent examples. Thanks @SimpleCollector and @jabba for sharing these beauties.
Thanks u
I don’t have evidence but think my HK-573 was struck early in the process and conserved. Photos do no justice except for a very light scuff on reverse it’s close to flawless I think MS69+ would be correct.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
HK-584
I was born in Wisconsin so I'll stick with this one:
Wisconsin So-Called-Dollar. Medal commemorates 100th anniversary as territory, not State¬hood, Wisconsin having been admitted to Union May 29, 1848. Legislature created Wisconsin Centennial, Inc. 1933 with $500 appropriation, later increased. Celebration was state-wide, highlight being presentation of pageant, "Centennial Cavalcade of Wisconsin," in stadium of University of Wisconsin, Madison, June 27-July 5, 1936; "witnessed by at least 75,000 spectators."
This was official medal, sponsored and designed by Commission; 1,500 pieces struck in Bronze; sold for $1.
Obv. Capitol building, clouds behind; at base on small ribbon 1936; smaller edifice to l.; at base, on small ribbon 1836; above all, around Wisconsin Territorial Centennial; below all is prone animal (badger?) on dotted line.
Rev. Eagle in upper center panel; to l. 19 / June / 27, to r. 36 / July / 5; above at border Madison; below panel Official / Wisconsin /Centennial / Celebration; stars all around at border. HK-696 Bronze. 37mm., Scarce.
I think the engraver is "EAK" -- Edward A KRETSCHMAN. His initials can be found on many medals from the 1880s; the obverse die is paired with reverse dies with his initials. I believe this is a product of the William Warner & Brother Company of Philadelphia.
A So-Called Dollar and Slug Collector... Previously "Pioneer" on this site...
Continuing a conversation from three years ago? 🤔
I know right ! It took me a long time to figure this out.... LOL.
A So-Called Dollar and Slug Collector... Previously "Pioneer" on this site...
As with many things in collecting, certain die marriages make connections. He's one. Advanced SCD collectors should figure out why this is important. It's a cross section of the US Mint, Philadelphia, William Warner & Bro Company, and many other SCDs.
A So-Called Dollar and Slug Collector... Previously "Pioneer" on this site...
@CaptHenway - Tom: Leon had me handle a good number of the large items from that good sized Washingtonia collection that he purchased long ago (provenance escapes me at the moment). I had a chance to have a quick look at his (your?) Elder collection but I do not recall seeing any dies (airport time was looming). Do you recall if you had a gold DeLorey-70 (2 struck, probably from the Brand sale) in your collection? If not It's possible that Leon added that piece as he did try to expand the collection after he bought it. I will ask Jerry S. if he recalls what Leon or others did with the Elder collection (although I'm not sure I want to know the answer).
The 1900 large Bryan Dollar.
Excellent point!
HK-340a
According to my recently found inventory notes I had DeLorey-70 in Copper, Gilt Brass, White Metal and Aluminum.
TD
This is definitely my favorite, but I dont have one. Therefore if you want to swap yours, let me know!
You are "barking up the wrong tree" That is a Civil War token, not a So-Called Dollar. That reverse appeared with several obverses that range from scarce to rare. When I was dealer, the most common varieties were selling for about $125. Now it's thousands.
My problem is I have no favorites…….I love them all. I guess it was in my best interest when g-d decided I couldn’t have kids
because I would have had a dozen
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
Any idea who made that piece? The HK book doesn't say. I thought it was a Soley piece but have not found anything conclusive.
A So-Called Dollar and Slug Collector... Previously "Pioneer" on this site...
(HK-704) 1954 MARIPOSA COURT HOUSE CENTENNIAL
MARIPOSA, CA
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I'm happy to have found this piece as I have been looking for one in reasonable condition that I could afford.
Thought a resurrection of this thread was in order as well.
Hmmm, this would also fit well into the Octagons thread . . . .
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Bryan Dollar by Tiffany & Co.
Picked these up on eBay a while back because I liked the theme.
Old thread I never saw before. HK-222 is still my favorite
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