My "Smart Post" shipment arrived in Indianapolis, IN, at 12:35 AM today. That puts it 567 miles away but my expected delivery date is 9 more days on the 28th. FedEx must have a lot of stops between Indianapolis and here.
@PipestonePete said:
My "Smart Post" shipment arrived in Indianapolis, IN, at 12:35 AM today. That puts it 567 miles away but my expected delivery date is 9 more days on the 28th. FedEx must have a lot of stops between Indianapolis and here.
If I could make a change at the mint they had to adopt, one of the top things would be to cease shipping Stupid Post. It is the worst "innovation" ever.
Spent two today...
I could see the gas station clerk calling her coworkers over to check it out as I drove away. She seemed happy to have something new to look at.
The best reaction was the coffee girl who actually did a little squeak-jumpy thing, reminded that it was her TIP after trying to hand it back.
Tomorrow I test the barmaid for any interest in numismatics.
@ReadyFireAim said:
Spent two today...
I could see the gas station clerk calling her coworkers over to check it out as I drove away. She seemed happy to have something new to look at.
The best reaction was the coffee girl who actually did a little squeak-jumpy thing, reminded that it was her TIP after trying to hand it back.
Tomorrow I test the barmaid for any interest in numismatics.
Wow.
I'm going to get some of those electrical junction box punch out disks and paint them gold. I wonder how many I could pass before I got called on it...
@ReadyFireAim said:
Spent two today...
I could see the gas station clerk calling her coworkers over to check it out as I drove away. She seemed happy to have something new to look at.
The best reaction was the coffee girl who actually did a little squeak-jumpy thing, reminded that it was her TIP after trying to hand it back.
Tomorrow I test the barmaid for any interest in numismatics.
They then takes it home to show friends and family and everyone is trying to figure it out - is it gold? Goog will be overworked for a bit until somone figures it out... maybe.
Friendly inexpensive no-malice fun in this day is always great. Have you tried having any fun with any non-collecting family members?
Showed the wife and she said, wow those are very pretty, then walked away. LOL She’s used to it. She/we always have fun with Sacs and $2.
I'm going to get some of those electrical junction box punch out disks and paint them gold. I wonder how many I could pass before I got called on it...
Joshing... As long as you paid your bill and used it as only as a tip it should not be too much of a problem. May not want to go back to the establishment for awhile....
In the outside world though, they're kind'a-like...cheap fun.
Not that I dislike the coin (though I dislike the reason the coin exists), the coin is known to what, 1 in 500 to 1 in 1000 people? If people just accept it's US coinage, I could probably go okay with those electrical box disks.
Proof may be a looker -- sales are almost 50k already.
So these are categorized by law as "Numismatic Coins", which (I believe) makes them only available through the Mint -- not through the Federal Reserve system. They won't circulate, so most public will never see them. Am I understanding this correctly? They are not showing up under "Circulating Coin Production" like the Native Am or Presidential dollars.
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@Akbeez said:
Proof may be a looker -- sales are almost 50k already.
So these are categorized by law as "Numismatic Coins", which (I believe) makes them only available through the Mint -- not through the Federal Reserve system. They won't circulate, so most public will never see them. Am I understanding this correctly? They are not showing up under "Circulating Coin Production" like the Native Am or Presidential dollars.
That is a good question. I assume (uh oh) that they will be like the Sac’s and Kennedy’s.
@Akbeez said:
Proof may be a looker -- sales are almost 50k already.
So these are categorized by law as "Numismatic Coins", which (I believe) makes them only available through the Mint -- not through the Federal Reserve system. They won't circulate, so most public will never see them. Am I understanding this correctly? They are not showing up under "Circulating Coin Production" like the Native Am or Presidential dollars.
Correct. That's one of the more laughable parts of this coin. It's supposed to be NCLT, but since it's made to BrassBuck standards, it can be spent like real money. I guess sorta like the old silver half commems.
They are also incarcerated in their own mint/proof sets, and will not be part of the standard 10 coin mint/proof sets.
Talk about the red-headed step child...
(BTW, the Mint/Congress refers to all it's coins as numismatic, because they're all coins or coin related. When the law mandates mint, proof or other sets, or special finishes, that generally means the Mint Store, but the way Congress writes laws, it's not always clear. )
Correct. That's one of the more laughable parts of this coin. It's supposed to be NCLT, but since it's made to BrassBuck standards, it can be spent like real money. I guess sorta like the old silver half commems.
So does this means all the state/territory $1 coins will be NCLT, too?
Correct. That's one of the more laughable parts of this coin. It's supposed to be NCLT, but since it's made to BrassBuck standards, it can be spent like real money. I guess sorta like the old silver half commems.
So does this means all the state/territory $1 coins will be NCLT, too?
Pretty much. But realistically, all dollars and halves have been NCLT for years now. The business strikes that are made are for the bags and rolls for the Mint Store. The Mint hasn't put any brassbucks into circulation since earlier this decade, and I think halves pretty much died out when coin-operated slot machines went away.
I'd be amazed if I ever see a brassbuck made in the past 10 years in circulation. Other than maybe the Post Office, and even then, it probably came from someone like you. And I think I've gotten a brassbuck in change more recently than a half. I can't even remember the last time I got a Kennedy as change...
To the original poster, thanks for mentioning that this is an introductory dollar in the series, when I got my 2018-S proof in the mail last Monday, I kept looking all over the coin asking myself "Which state is this coin representing?"
@Hemispherical said:
Scrolled all the way down on the 2019 future product schedule and the following was observed.
-Bag and rolls; P and D
-Proof and reverse proof; S
-Four state coins per year
-An uncirculated set; assume the P&D for four states
-All TBD
Hmm... Pretty loaded schedule as it is. When would they strike and then sell the coins? End of year?
I plan on being around for another 10 years but... Mint needs to put these in the enrollment section.
Am I the only one who caught this in the above post? Proof and reverse proof; S
If they plan to do a reverse proof in 2019 and beyond, that apparently means the 2018 will be the only one left out? If that is true, that would be outrageous.
I have no clue, except those who just buy everything new from the mint, why this is worth purchasing. The obv looks like a third year college art student dreamed it up. Where is the talent now days?
We've discussed that possibility in previous posts. Yes 2018 will be w/o a reverse proof. If it's considered a commemorative issue, no further 2018 proof's will be for sale. I forgot to mention, that the proofs could only be struck in 2018. It's possible, they are sold out.
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
I was on the site 12/31 and there was a round of "last chance" items going off sale at midnight, but commems actually went off sale a few days before - Dec 27th I think.
@BigA said:
I don't think it is considered a commemorative issue BUT it does look like it might be toast after only two weeks...probably minted 80k....
Possible sleeper, if that's the case.
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
@Hemispherical said:
Scrolled all the way down on the 2019 future product schedule and the following was observed.
-Bag and rolls; P and D
-Proof and reverse proof; S
-Four state coins per year
-An uncirculated set; assume the P&D for four states
-All TBD
Hmm... Pretty loaded schedule as it is. When would they strike and then sell the coins? End of year?
I plan on being around for another 10 years but... Mint needs to put these in the enrollment section.
Am I the only one who caught this in the above post? Proof and reverse proof; S
If they plan to do a reverse proof in 2019 and beyond, that apparently means the 2018 will be the only one left out? If that is true, that would be outrageous.
and
@fc said:
I have no clue, except those who just buy everything new from the mint, why this is worth purchasing. The obv looks like a third year college art student dreamed it up. Where is the talent now days?
From the original post in this thread:
@BackroadJunkie said:
And just to note, all of the single Innobucks to be released next year have reverse proof finishes. No RP finish for this year's coin? Is that a fail?
And finally, remember this coin series was mandated by Congress, and the design elements for this coin were also a congressional mandate. The Mint is as much a victim in this as the collector is...
@OPA said:
We've discussed that possibility in previous posts. Yes 2018 will be w/o a reverse proof. If it's considered a commemorative issue, no further 2018 proof's will be for sale. I forgot to mention, that the proofs could only be struck in 2018. It's possible, they are sold out.
@BigA said:
Hmmmm....79,723 could be interesting if it's really a done deal
Might be. This looks to be the same wording that the 30th anniversary ASE law caused. To wit:
‘(ii) FIRST COIN.—Notwithstanding subparagraph (A), if the Secretary finds that it is feasible and cost-effective, the Secretary may mint and issue a $1 coin in 2018 to introduce the series of coins described in this subsection, that—
According to this, the coin could only be issued in 2018.
@OPA said:
We've discussed that possibility in previous posts. Yes 2018 will be w/o a reverse proof. If it's considered a commemorative issue, no further 2018 proof's will be for sale. I forgot to mention, that the proofs could only be struck in 2018. It's possible, they are sold out.
It looks like it's listed as a ANNUAL SET
All following Innobucks (from 2019 on) will be in four finishes. circulating, uncirculated, proof and reverse proof. The intro coin was only in business strike and proof. It should have been released in RP.
I bought them in the bags because they were so close to value. I agree on the design. It is pretty lackluster but they make good tips in the non-proof version. In the proof version, this is not a tail that I would be willing to chase.
Take a deep breath, this happens all the time was back ordered status And currently unavailable.
All following Innobucks (from 2019 on) will be in four finishes. circulating, uncirculated, proof and reverse proof. The intro coin was only in business strike and proof. It should have been released in RP.
Wait -- what's the diff here? Are they being made in 2019 for circulation?
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All following Innobucks (from 2019 on) will be in four finishes. circulating, uncirculated, proof and reverse proof. The intro coin was only in business strike and proof. It should have been released in RP.
I don't believe that the Mint set is a special finish as it was for a few years in the mid 2000s. So, what is the difference between "circulating" and "uncirculated"?
I am not doubting you, I am just trying to figure this mess out.
This circus is one heck of an innovation, that's for sure.
All following Innobucks (from 2019 on) will be in four finishes. circulating, uncirculated, proof and reverse proof. The intro coin was only in business strike and proof. It should have been released in RP.
Wait -- what's the diff here? Are they being made in 2019 for circulation?
All following Innobucks (from 2019 on) will be in four finishes. circulating, uncirculated, proof and reverse proof. The intro coin was only in business strike and proof. It should have been released in RP.
I don't believe that the Mint set is a special finish as it was for a few years in the mid 2000s. So, what is the difference between "circulating" and "uncirculated"?
I am not doubting you, I am just trying to figure this mess out.
This circus is one heck of an innovation, that's for sure.
Same dies. The circulating strikes are the ones that go into the bags and rolls, and will be listed under "circulating coin" production figures. This doesn't mean they'll actually go into circulation. It's like all the brassbuck figures for the past 8 years. They're listed under circulating coinage, but they were never circulated.
The uncirculated are intercepted before they get all the bag marks and are listed under "uncirculated sets" in the mint store.
They're actually two different products. (And from what I've seen of the innobucks coming from bags and rolls, you'll notice the difference, too. )
@JBK said:
Wasn't the mint hinting that they might create some rarities? (I thought it was for circulation coins, though, if it ever were to happen).
That was supposed to be 2019...
FWIW - the business strikes are still available in all options. I guess I might pull the trigger on some of those soon just in case...
If those are available, I suspect we may see the proof back on sale. Maybe the Mint is trying to clarify the wording with congress, like they did with the 30th ASE...
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My "Smart Post" shipment arrived in Indianapolis, IN, at 12:35 AM today. That puts it 567 miles away but my expected delivery date is 9 more days on the 28th. FedEx must have a lot of stops between Indianapolis and here.
Scrolled all the way down on the 2019 future product schedule and the following was observed.
-Bag and rolls; P and D
-Proof and reverse proof; S
-Four state coins per year
-An uncirculated set; assume the P&D for four states
-All TBD
Hmm... Pretty loaded schedule as it is. When would they strike and then sell the coins? End of year?
I plan on being around for another 10 years but... Mint needs to put these in the enrollment section.
If I could make a change at the mint they had to adopt, one of the top things would be to cease shipping Stupid Post. It is the worst "innovation" ever.
Well-Ok...These things look much better in hand.
The cartwheel effect due to the open fields is remarkable.
I like em!
Also...Observation...The rolls fit perfectly in a PCGS box.
I think people are going to like these.
My Saint Set
Well I guess they made up the delay. A couple quick pics. The obverse field was difficult. Had to angle the coin to eliminate reflections.
Coin innovation
https://coinweek.com
Comparison of dates/times stamped on the boxes, please post yours.
29 Nov 18/11:23:41 - P coins
5 Dec 18/09:00:45 - D coins
6 Dec 18/03:00:42 - P bag
29 Nov 18/02:22:52 - D bag
Spent two today...
I could see the gas station clerk calling her coworkers over to check it out as I drove away. She seemed happy to have something new to look at.
The best reaction was the coffee girl who actually did a little squeak-jumpy thing, reminded that it was her TIP after trying to hand it back.
Tomorrow I test the barmaid for any interest in numismatics.
My Saint Set
Wow.
I'm going to get some of those electrical junction box punch out disks and paint them gold. I wonder how many I could pass before I got called on it...
Yep...Pretty tuff crowd here.
In the outside world though, they're kind'a-like...cheap fun.
My Saint Set
They then takes it home to show friends and family and everyone is trying to figure it out - is it gold? Goog will be overworked for a bit until somone figures it out... maybe.
Friendly inexpensive no-malice fun in this day is always great. Have you tried having any fun with any non-collecting family members?
Showed the wife and she said, wow those are very pretty, then walked away. LOL She’s used to it. She/we always have fun with Sacs and $2.
Thanks for sharing the fun!
Joshing... As long as you paid your bill and used it as only as a tip it should not be too much of a problem. May not want to go back to the establishment for awhile....
Not that I dislike the coin (though I dislike the reason the coin exists), the coin is known to what, 1 in 500 to 1 in 1000 people? If people just accept it's US coinage, I could probably go okay with those electrical box disks.
Wonder how nice they will look after some time in the environment and after they shed their shiny skin
Too cold. Will wait to spring to bury one. LOL
Got the proof today! World's record for Smartpost!
Doesn't look too bad, but it does look awfully lonely in that big ol' proof lens, lol...
Proof may be a looker -- sales are almost 50k already.
So these are categorized by law as "Numismatic Coins", which (I believe) makes them only available through the Mint -- not through the Federal Reserve system. They won't circulate, so most public will never see them. Am I understanding this correctly? They are not showing up under "Circulating Coin Production" like the Native Am or Presidential dollars.
That is a good question. I assume (uh oh) that they will be like the Sac’s and Kennedy’s.
“Note: Kennedy Half Dollars and $1 coins are circulating quality produced as collectibles, not for everyday transactions. However, they may be still used as legal tender.” https://www.usmint.gov/learn/coin-and-medal-programs/circulating-coins
Correct. That's one of the more laughable parts of this coin. It's supposed to be NCLT, but since it's made to BrassBuck standards, it can be spent like real money. I guess sorta like the old silver half commems.
They are also incarcerated in their own mint/proof sets, and will not be part of the standard 10 coin mint/proof sets.
Talk about the red-headed step child...
(BTW, the Mint/Congress refers to all it's coins as numismatic, because they're all coins or coin related. When the law mandates mint, proof or other sets, or special finishes, that generally means the Mint Store, but the way Congress writes laws, it's not always clear.
)
So does this means all the state/territory $1 coins will be NCLT, too?
Pretty much. But realistically, all dollars and halves have been NCLT for years now. The business strikes that are made are for the bags and rolls for the Mint Store. The Mint hasn't put any brassbucks into circulation since earlier this decade, and I think halves pretty much died out when coin-operated slot machines went away.
I'd be amazed if I ever see a brassbuck made in the past 10 years in circulation. Other than maybe the Post Office, and even then, it probably came from someone like you.
And I think I've gotten a brassbuck in change more recently than a half. I can't even remember the last time I got a Kennedy as change...
@BackroadJunkie Thanks. Kind of figured.
I have found a good source of $1 coins in the self-service stand-alone bagging ice machines.
Yes, I do my best in circulating the NCLTs. LOL
To the original poster, thanks for mentioning that this is an introductory dollar in the series, when I got my 2018-S proof in the mail last Monday, I kept looking all over the coin asking myself "Which state is this coin representing?"
Ordered mine in the first five minutes and I still haven't received them....wandering up the coast and maybe here ther beginning of next week...
Appears to be a "hot item."
US Mint Sales: 2018 American Innovation Dollars Near 580,000
http://www.coinnews.net/2018/12/26/us-mint-sales-2018-innovation-dollars-near-580000/
About 10 days of sale, about 7340/day, 306/hour or 5/min for the proofs.
I see as of today 1/2/19 the proof coin is marked as unavailable.
Hmmmm....79,723 could be interesting if it's really a done deal
Somebody was quick on the submission to PCGS
Anybody thinking about starting a registry set.?
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/dollars/american-innovation-dollars/american-innovation-dollars-proof-2018-2032/7034
No one has done it yet.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-S-AMERICAN-INNOVATION-DOLLAR-PCGS-PR70-DCAM-FIRST-STRIKE/273631232255?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20160727114228&meid=c321af293bef43369b341480d6c8df28&pid=100290&rk=1&rkt=4&sd=273631232255&itm=273631232255&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507
My Saint Set
BTW...If somebody asks you what the 1st patent was you can tell them pot ash (fertilizer component)
You can avoid the dumb look I apparently made.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/51814/first-10-us-patents
My Saint Set
I got an order in for one on 12/31.
It may might just be a case of needing time to package some more that are already minted, but if it really sold out....
Am I the only one who caught this in the above post? Proof and reverse proof; S
If they plan to do a reverse proof in 2019 and beyond, that apparently means the 2018 will be the only one left out? If that is true, that would be outrageous.
I have no clue, except those who just buy everything new from the mint, why this is worth purchasing. The obv looks like a third year college art student dreamed it up. Where is the talent now days?
We've discussed that possibility in previous posts. Yes 2018 will be w/o a reverse proof. If it's considered a commemorative issue, no further 2018 proof's will be for sale. I forgot to mention, that the proofs could only be struck in 2018. It's possible, they are sold out.
I was on the site 12/31 and there was a round of "last chance" items going off sale at midnight, but commems actually went off sale a few days before - Dec 27th I think.
I don't think it is considered a commemorative issue BUT it does look like it might be toast after only two weeks...probably minted 80k....
Possible sleeper, if that's the case.
and
From the original post in this thread:
It looks like it's listed as a ANNUAL SET
Might be. This looks to be the same wording that the 30th anniversary ASE law caused. To wit:
According to this, the coin could only be issued in 2018.
Wasn't expecting that.
All following Innobucks (from 2019 on) will be in four finishes. circulating, uncirculated, proof and reverse proof. The intro coin was only in business strike and proof. It should have been released in RP.
I bought them in the bags because they were so close to value. I agree on the design. It is pretty lackluster but they make good tips in the non-proof version. In the proof version, this is not a tail that I would be willing to chase.
Take a deep breath, this happens all the time was back ordered status And currently unavailable.
Wait -- what's the diff here? Are they being made in 2019 for circulation?
I don't believe that the Mint set is a special finish as it was for a few years in the mid 2000s. So, what is the difference between "circulating" and "uncirculated"?
I am not doubting you, I am just trying to figure this mess out.
This circus is one heck of an innovation, that's for sure.
Well crud I was going to wait to buy that at the same time as the Apollo halves to save on shipping
Wasn't the mint hinting that they might create some rarities? (I thought it was for circulation coins, though, if it ever were to happen).
FWIW - the business strikes are still available in all options. I guess I might pull the trigger on some of those soon just in case...
Same dies. The circulating strikes are the ones that go into the bags and rolls, and will be listed under "circulating coin" production figures. This doesn't mean they'll actually go into circulation. It's like all the brassbuck figures for the past 8 years. They're listed under circulating coinage, but they were never circulated.
The uncirculated are intercepted before they get all the bag marks and are listed under "uncirculated sets" in the mint store.
They're actually two different products. (And from what I've seen of the innobucks coming from bags and rolls, you'll notice the difference, too.
)
That was supposed to be 2019...
If those are available, I suspect we may see the proof back on sale. Maybe the Mint is trying to clarify the wording with congress, like they did with the 30th ASE...
I had better luck finding nice ones in the bag rather than in the rolls.
Their rolling machine must be evil.
My Saint Set