1909-S VDB Authentic or not?
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I know the color around the S is circular and suspicious but do these match any known legitimate diagnostics?
Is it worth sending in for grading?
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Looks altered to me. Added Mintmark. The S is the wrong style. No diagnostics can be done on the V.D.B. because the dots are missing.
Here are the 4 mintmark positions:
Pete
Agree that it's fake. Is it a struck counterfeit or is it an added mintmark?
Mintmark is not correct. Looks like an added mintmark to me.
The mint mark should have skinnier lines in back the serifs and a fatter middle. Look at @buffaloirontails’ pictures. The shiny spot around the mint mark is the cincher. It has an added mint mark.
I very much doubt that it would receive a grade.
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They didn't use gorilla glue but that mmm is definitely added. Looks like it was attached with a brazed solder technique. Maybe it didn't discolor until it cooled but it sure is fugly. Glad I saw it. Peace Roy
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I believe the light area around the S is where the flux was applied to let the solder flow when the mint mark was added.
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Agreed... added MM... I hope you're not too deep into this.
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Added mintmark
Pete
Whoever did that gave no thought to covering their tracks.
Crazt glue is also used to attach a mintmark but a drop of acetone will quickly cause the mintmark to fall off.
Altered coins always have added "s", not added VDB.
It's the "S" that makes these valuable, not the VDB. Philadelphia VDBs can be had for a couple of bucks while San Francisco examples will cost $100 to start.
Definitely an added S. Pete, that is a GREAT mini-seminar on the 1909-S VDB. Great images.
Just to add a bit more -- there is a small die chip in the right obverse field on Die 1, a tiny diagonal die line above the U in TRUST on Die 2, and on later die states, a tiny die chip inside the B in LIBERTY on Die 4. These typically remain visible until they wear down to Fine or thereabouts, although environmental damage or other problems may disguise them.
Thanks, Mikey. Nice addition to the diagnostics.
Pete
That is an added mint mark... not sure of the method... acetone will remove glue, but if brazed, it will remain... and that is what the bright area around the S looks like... Cheers, RickO
that looks bogus to me. jmo
I have one more coin which i as told was genuine (as opposed to the other which was flagged as doubtful)
What are your thoughts on this one?
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Looks like a genuine Die #4 to me.
Pete
I'd need to see the entire coin, but I agree with Buffalo. .. looks like a die 4 to me too...
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