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Results Posted: Early Gold - Charlotte Gold: What CAC'd, What Didn't? Give-Away
CharlotteDude
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Results are in. Please see last post for comments. Congrats to valente151 for being the first to get 6 of his 7 guesses correct on CAC results!
Feel free to give these a shot - which ones do you think will CAC? I decided to send in a few to see if they met "the bean" standard. To make it a bit more interesting, the first person who comes closest to, or with all the correct CAC'd coins will receive a VF/XF 1934D $10 silver certificate note.
1808 HE PCGS AU-53 CAC
1840-C HE PCGS XF-45 No CAC
1844-C HE PCGS VF-35 No CAC
1846-C HE PCGS AU-58 CAC
1847-C HE PCGS AU-53 CAC
1848-C HE PCGS XF-45 CAC
1854-C HE NGC AU-53 No CAC
cheers,
'dude
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All CAC.
The first and last didn't CAC. The rest CAC-ed.
CAC? Isn't that another waste of money?
You send a coin to PCGS then send it to a dealer who tells you if PCGS goofed it? And what's with the W sticker?
Not when it comes time to sell.
1808 half egale - No
1840-C half eagle - Yes
1844-C half eagle - NO
1846-C half eagle - Yes
1847-C half eagle - Yes
1848-C half eagle - Yes
1854=C half eagle - Yes
1808- Yes
40c- No
44c- No
46c- Yes
47c- Yes
48c- Yes
54c- Yes
Good study break.
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Yes
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Yes
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Let me get this right. I sent a coin in to PCGS and it comes back 1883 CC MS 65. Now I send it to a dealer who charges me to send to someone who also charges me and who puts a sticker on it that means PCGS knew what they were doing. What if it doesn't rate a sticker; I wasted the money on a TPG? And I see they now have a W sticker to tell it has no color to the coin? Sorry if I am a bit skeptical but....
Starting a CAC-bashing thread was not my intent. If that’s your goal, go start your own thread. If you haven’t figured out the reason CAC was created in the first place, take some time at a large coin show, compare same-graded & holdered coins. You’ll find that many times, two same-graded & same-holdered coins do not possess the same amount of eye-appeal and originality. “Market acceptable” grading unfortunately plays into the equation a great deal. So does minor problems that the TPGs might not consider a grade-stopper (I.e., net-grading). If you have the eye to catch all those things, well good on ya. I think I’m pretty well versed in that area myself, HOWEVER, when it comes time to sell... potential buyers may not enjoy the same level of experience and expertise. CAC provides an added level of assurance, while not infallible, but very consistent in what coins make the bean cut or not, and auction records have consistently shown that.
I like the 40, the 48 and the 54.
they all look cacable to me, but I'll guess that the 1844-C HE PCGS VF-35 won't bean on the first try because of the chatter
to everyone who thinks that 1808 won't cac, it looks like it would grade 55 if dipped and stripped, so I think it will pass
Yes to all as they all look hand picked high end for the grade examples, but really hard to tell without seeing the surfaces in hand.
Best, SH
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N - this image is totally devoid of frost or lustre
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Y
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N?
Y
N? - not clear on the strike variances of this specific date
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Some of those look real nice!
1 No
2 Yes
3 Yes
4 Yes
5 No
6 Yes
7 No
1808 - No
1840-C - No
1844-C - Yes
1846-C - Yes
1847-C - Yes
1848-C - No
1854-C - No
No
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
08 and 46 are no
None of them.
Honestly, I could see all of them getting approved.
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Id say the 40 and 47, the rest nada
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
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Yes
Yes
No
No
Yes
Yes
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All of my collection is in a safe deposit box!
All cac except the 47-c.
All but the 1840 CAC. Thanks for the opportunity to such s nice group of Southern gold
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Yes
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Yes
Yes
No
y, n, y, y, y, y, n,
1808 No
1840 Yes
1844 No
1846 Yes
1847 Yes
1848 Yes
1854 Yes
Maybe not the 44.
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No
Yes
Yes
Yes
No
Great group of Charlotte coins.
All CAC. 1846 C gold bean.
Jim
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Truly guessing looking at pics. I guess all will bean but the 48.
I am guessing all will bean except for the 1808.
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Yes on the 40C
All others no. Sorry, the grading room is grumpy today.
I'll say there's been a wide sampling of possible outcomes - there may be one who nailed it already. I have my thoughts of which have a very good chance, and which are on the fence, but I'll wait to share those thoughts when results are confirmed.
1847-C HE PCGS AU-53
1846-C HE PCGS AU-58
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1808 HE PCGS AU-53 - Yes - I assume that it has sufficient luster in hand. CAC treats the AU50/AU53 grade as one so as long as it has AU50 luster, you should be golden.
1840-C HE PCGS XF-45 - No
1844-C HE PCGS VF-35 - No
1846-C HE PCGS AU-58 - Yes
1847-C HE PCGS AU-53 - Yes
1848-C HE PCGS XF-45 - Yes
1854-C HE NGC AU-53 - Yes - This one is a tough one due to the weak strike that is often seen on the issue. I attribute the weakness towards the lower eagle/talon and the hair curls largely to the strike and not necessarily wear. Nevertheless, I am still at AU50; however, since CAC treats AU50/53 the same, I'll go out on a limb and guess that it beans.
Ok folks - CAC's final tally is in. While there have been a couple of very close guesses, nobody has nailed it completely. I'll keep this one open one more day to give someone the chance to match CAC's results. One way or another, someone is getting the $10 silver cert.
This is a great post...shows you how hard it is to predict CAC...made more difficult because we can't see the coins in hand...I hope all of them sticker...but here's my best guess:
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YES
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YES
YES
YES
NO
NO
NO
NO
YES - I like this coin the best for the grade
YES
YES
YES
Latin American Collection
No on the 08 and 47, rest yes
I agree 100%. When dealing with this many coins (and from photos only) its pretty difficult to predict results. But I do believe that’s a great group of coins the owner should be happy with.
Results are in! While a few - four I believe - came within just one of getting them all right, nobody guessed all seven correctly. That said, the winning entry goes to the first participant who got all but one - @valente151 - who missed only the '54-C. "Honorable Mention" goes out to @jwitten (wish he were still here), @mannie gray & @cameonut2011, all who missed only one each also, however valente151 posted his guesses before them.
1808 HE PCGS AU-53 CAC Green
I thought this one had a very good chance at CAC approval.
1840-C HE PCGS XF-45 No CAC
This one was borderline. I suspect the obverse planchet roughness held it up somewhat. Purchased in 1998-99 in a PCGS XF-40 holder. Been in its current holder since 2002-2003. The date is typically found in two states, with obverse peripheral roughness and a strong central strike, or with no roughness and a weaker central strike.
1844-C HE PCGS VF-35 No CAC
Purchased back in the mid-90's and even though it's in an OGH, I agree with its current grade. I figure the reverse hits may have also held this one back.
1846-C HE PCGS AU-58 CAC Green
A beauty of a coin and a really, really tough date in any grade.
1847-C HE PCGS AU-53 CAC Green
A great, crusty Charlotte half eagle.
1848-C HE PCGS XF-45 CAC Green
See above - just more wear.
1854-C HE NGC AU-53 No CAC
Another nice, crusty XF-48 half eagle that I think NGC over-graded with the generous AU-53 grade. The reverse die cracked during production, causing a very weak strike on both reverse & obverse. It's quite pronounced running through the eagles left (facing) wing. I suspect that if it was in an XF-45 holder, CAC would've been fine beaning it.
cheers,
'dude
Congratulations on the submission results! All are nice regardless of the presence or absence of a sticker.
Congratulations to @valente151 for his winning entry!
Great contest. Congrats to the winner.
Well done contest.
Thank you for hosting it.
I got 6/7...not too shabby.
I was on the fence on the 1808. I liked it but I thought it was dull and that CAC wouldn't like it..Maybe in hand I would have had a different idea.
The coins were all super nice though and damn impressive.
Great results...thanks for letting us play the guessing game!!!