Nice coins everyone. I've always wanted one, but have been holding out for one with a photo certificate. I may just have to bite the bullet and buy one outside of my set.
Need a Barber Half with ANACS photo certificate. If you have one for sale please PM me. Current Ebay auctions
@sedulous said:
Recently unearthed out of a 12-coin gold type set put together in the 1960's...
That is a nice-looking coin.
But I have serious doubts regarding the authenticity of it.
I don't. From my research it ticks all the boxes that exemplifies this date in this series.
It also checks some of the boxes for characteristics of circa-1960s counterfeit gold:
proof-like appearance;
fat lettering and serifs;
pimpled texture on the denticles.
I appreciate your concern for my coin, I really do. It was immediately sent to our hosts for authentication. It was purchased from a very reputable dealer who I trust and would take these items back and do right by them .. no worries. I also have a D7500 with Irix150 macro set-up and SANSI C21BB-WE26-22W LED bulbs where images may find to be over-lighted and give the viewer the dimpled impression you see from my images. I will notify you of the result from the PCGS grading event.
However, without getting into too much detail, let's take a look at two or three of the coin's characteristics. To start, all 1867 $3 gold has been known to be semi-prooflike. They are known to have light diagonal striae, as can be seen with my piece, even more pronounced on earlier strikings. However, you might be correct in that mine may not have the correct striae pattern. The reverse of the upper left of the 7 serif is correctly lined-up underneath the left foot of the A. It is also lower in the field area, as it should be located, distinguishing it from a proof die where you know the date is higher in the field.
I appreciate your thoughts, let's see what the grading room says.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
@sedulous said:
Recently unearthed out of a 12-coin gold type set put together in the 1960's...
That is a nice-looking coin.
But I have serious doubts regarding the authenticity of it.
I don't. From my research it ticks all the boxes that exemplifies this date in this series.
It also checks some of the boxes for characteristics of circa-1960s counterfeit gold:
proof-like appearance;
fat lettering and serifs;
pimpled texture on the denticles.
I appreciate your concern for my coin, I really do. It was immediately sent to our hosts for authentication. It was purchased from a very reputable dealer who I trust and would take these items back and do right by them .. no worries. I also have a D7500 with Irix150 macro set-up and SANSI C21BB-WE26-22W LED bulbs where images may find to be over-lighted and give the viewer the dimpled impression you see from my images. I will notify you of the result from the PCGS grading event.
However, without getting into too much detail, let's take a look at two or three of the coin's characteristics. To start, all 1867 $3 gold has been known to be semi-prooflike. They are known to have light diagonal striae, as can be seen with my piece, even more pronounced on earlier strikings. However, you might be correct in that mine may not have the correct striae pattern. The reverse of the upper left of the 7 serif is correctly lined-up underneath the left foot of the A. It is also lower in the field area, as it should be located, distinguishing it from a proof die where you know the date is higher in the field.
I appreciate your thoughts, let's see what the grading room says.
I appreciate your input, there is some concern or question. I took a look at other graded specimens and there is some differences that are concerning. @dcarr Thank you Dan. Will see.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
The nicest one I ever owned was an 1865 $3 Gold in an AU-50 PCGS OGH purchased from Alpine Numismatics many years ago. Coin had original surfaces and to me looked like a 55, I wish I still had it.
@sedulous said:
Recently unearthed out of a 12-coin gold type set put together in the 1960's...
That is a nice-looking coin.
But I have serious doubts regarding the authenticity of it.
I don't. From my research it ticks all the boxes that exemplifies this date in this series.
It also checks some of the boxes for characteristics of circa-1960s counterfeit gold:
proof-like appearance;
fat lettering and serifs;
pimpled texture on the denticles.
I appreciate your concern for my coin, I really do. It was immediately sent to our hosts for authentication. It was purchased from a very reputable dealer who I trust and would take these items back and do right by them .. no worries. I also have a D7500 with Irix150 macro set-up and SANSI C21BB-WE26-22W LED bulbs where images may find to be over-lighted and give the viewer the dimpled impression you see from my images. I will notify you of the result from the PCGS grading event.
However, without getting into too much detail, let's take a look at two or three of the coin's characteristics. To start, all 1867 $3 gold has been known to be semi-prooflike. They are known to have light diagonal striae, as can be seen with my piece, even more pronounced on earlier strikings. However, you might be correct in that mine may not have the correct striae pattern. The reverse of the upper left of the 7 serif is correctly lined-up underneath the left foot of the A. It is also lower in the field area, as it should be located, distinguishing it from a proof die where you know the date is higher in the field.
I appreciate your thoughts, let's see what the grading room says.
I appreciate your input, there is some concern or question. I took a look at other graded specimens and there is some differences that are concerning. @dcarr Thank you Dan. Will see.
I'm glad you sent it in because that will provide the definitive answer to determine your course of action. If genuine it would be worth a fair amount and you could keep it or sell it, of course. If it is not genuine, then you will have the documentation needed to persuade the seller to take it back for a refund.
I have appreciated the photos which have been posted.
While I don't have an available photo to post, this thread did prompt me to reflect back on the first significant numismatic purchase I made years ago. It was an 1865 PCGS Proof 63 BN $3 pattern in copper from the Pittman Collection (Judd 441) which started my interest in $3 gold.
Along the way I added enough $3 gold pieces to garner, as I recall, a top five Registry Set ranking back when the Registry Sets were first created.
A notable point about $3 gold is that for many of the years their mintage was extremely low. A case in point is the 1864 $3 for which only 2,630 were minted.
Apart from the pattern, my rarest $3 gold is in fact an 1864 PCGS MS64 of which only 12 have been graded by PCGS at that level or higher despite the passage of time since my pre CAC era acquisition. Considering that some of those were likely resubmissions that number is probably even less.
This AU53 CAC is my one and only (type coin). Would love to get a branch mint example one day. $3 gold is such an interesting denomination. There are some amazing examples in this thread.
@burfle23 That 1882 G$3 looks like the "omegaman" counterfeit. He signed his work with the tiny Greek letter omega inside the upper loop of the R in LIBERTY. He is more famous for his counterfeit of the High Relief Saint G$20 which has his trademark omega letter inside the eagle's tallon.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@sedulous said:
Recently unearthed out of a 12-coin gold type set put together in the 1960's...
That is a nice-looking coin.
But I have serious doubts regarding the authenticity of it.
My thoughts, too, the die polish is going in the wrong direction compared to genuine examples (obverse). Also the letters in "Dollars" on the reverse are different than on the genuine examples...
@sedulous said:
Recently unearthed out of a 12-coin gold type set put together in the 1960's...
That is a nice-looking coin.
But I have serious doubts regarding the authenticity of it.
I don't. From my research it ticks all the boxes that exemplifies this date in this series.
It also checks some of the boxes for characteristics of circa-1960s counterfeit gold:
proof-like appearance;
fat lettering and serifs;
pimpled texture on the denticles.
I appreciate your concern for my coin, I really do. It was immediately sent to our hosts for authentication. It was purchased from a very reputable dealer who I trust and would take these items back and do right by them .. no worries. I also have a D7500 with Irix150 macro set-up and SANSI C21BB-WE26-22W LED bulbs where images may find to be over-lighted and give the viewer the dimpled impression you see from my images. I will notify you of the result from the PCGS grading event.
However, without getting into too much detail, let's take a look at two or three of the coin's characteristics. To start, all 1867 $3 gold has been known to be semi-prooflike. They are known to have light diagonal striae, as can be seen with my piece, even more pronounced on earlier strikings. However, you might be correct in that mine may not have the correct striae pattern. The reverse of the upper left of the 7 serif is correctly lined-up underneath the left foot of the A. It is also lower in the field area, as it should be located, distinguishing it from a proof die where you know the date is higher in the field.
I appreciate your thoughts, let's see what the grading room says.
I appreciate your input, there is some concern or question. I took a look at other graded specimens and there is some differences that are concerning. @dcarr Thank you Dan. Will see.
Did this get through the grading process?
What was the result?
To me, the nose on Miss Liberty looks like maybe it was actually Jimmy Durante.
These are 2 of the 6 known 1887 proof $3’s that were either double struck or triple struck, with rotation between the strikes.
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Did this get through the grading process?
What was the result?
Before answering, take a look at this 1867 $3 gold in old holder V35 PCGS-graded (image courtesy of Heritage Auctions):
Showing this for comparative reasons.
Then a look at the close-up of the one submitted / previously reported. Hopefully you will notice the slight differences. What may not be known is the reported '67 came in within the expected weight range tolerance and is made of gold material... so the result from the PCGS-submission might be questioned by some but the coin came back ungradable / counterfeit. So a very good deception.
After the result, I was able to have the coin reclaimed by the seller who was gracious enough to accept a return given the circumstances.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
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Nice one!
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Recently unearthed out of a 12-coin gold type set put together in the 1960's...
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Mr_Spud
That Constitutes a horde of those
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
That is a nice-looking coin.
But I have serious doubts regarding the authenticity of it.
Nice coins everyone. I've always wanted one, but have been holding out for one with a photo certificate. I may just have to bite the bullet and buy one outside of my set.
Like it when threads like this that were missed the first time around get revived.
I don't. From my research it ticks all the boxes that exemplifies this date in this series.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
It also checks some of the boxes for characteristics of circa-1960s counterfeit gold:
proof-like appearance;
fat lettering and serifs;
pimpled texture on the denticles.
I appreciate your concern for my coin, I really do. It was immediately sent to our hosts for authentication. It was purchased from a very reputable dealer who I trust and would take these items back and do right by them .. no worries. I also have a D7500 with Irix150 macro set-up and SANSI C21BB-WE26-22W LED bulbs where images may find to be over-lighted and give the viewer the dimpled impression you see from my images. I will notify you of the result from the PCGS grading event.
However, without getting into too much detail, let's take a look at two or three of the coin's characteristics. To start, all 1867 $3 gold has been known to be semi-prooflike. They are known to have light diagonal striae, as can be seen with my piece, even more pronounced on earlier strikings. However, you might be correct in that mine may not have the correct striae pattern. The reverse of the upper left of the 7 serif is correctly lined-up underneath the left foot of the A. It is also lower in the field area, as it should be located, distinguishing it from a proof die where you know the date is higher in the field.
I appreciate your thoughts, let's see what the grading room says.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
I appreciate your input, there is some concern or question. I took a look at other graded specimens and there is some differences that are concerning. @dcarr Thank you Dan. Will see.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
The nicest one I ever owned was an 1865 $3 Gold in an AU-50 PCGS OGH purchased from Alpine Numismatics many years ago. Coin had original surfaces and to me looked like a 55, I wish I still had it.
I'm glad you sent it in because that will provide the definitive answer to determine your course of action. If genuine it would be worth a fair amount and you could keep it or sell it, of course. If it is not genuine, then you will have the documentation needed to persuade the seller to take it back for a refund.
I have appreciated the photos which have been posted.
While I don't have an available photo to post, this thread did prompt me to reflect back on the first significant numismatic purchase I made years ago. It was an 1865 PCGS Proof 63 BN $3 pattern in copper from the Pittman Collection (Judd 441) which started my interest in $3 gold.
Along the way I added enough $3 gold pieces to garner, as I recall, a top five Registry Set ranking back when the Registry Sets were first created.
A notable point about $3 gold is that for many of the years their mintage was extremely low. A case in point is the 1864 $3 for which only 2,630 were minted.
Apart from the pattern, my rarest $3 gold is in fact an 1864 PCGS MS64 of which only 12 have been graded by PCGS at that level or higher despite the passage of time since my pre CAC era acquisition. Considering that some of those were likely resubmissions that number is probably even less.
This AU53 CAC is my one and only (type coin). Would love to get a branch mint example one day. $3 gold is such an interesting denomination. There are some amazing examples in this thread.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
@burfle23 What does the reverse look like?
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
@burfle23 That 1882 G$3 looks like the "omegaman" counterfeit. He signed his work with the tiny Greek letter omega inside the upper loop of the R in LIBERTY. He is more famous for his counterfeit of the High Relief Saint G$20 which has his trademark omega letter inside the eagle's tallon.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I cannot contribute to this thread (no $3 gold coins), but have sure appreciated viewing the great pieces over the last few years. Cheers, RickO
The more common Philly '54...
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Have posted this on a couple other threads but I guess this is where it belongs!
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My thoughts, too, the die polish is going in the wrong direction compared to genuine examples (obverse). Also the letters in "Dollars" on the reverse are different than on the genuine examples...
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Not mine, but we have it here at the shop:
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Extreme clashing on this one. You can see the entire obverse on the reverse. One of my favorite gold coins.
@HoledandCreative my god…the horror!
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
Would be a nice pin for an "R" lady though. Very pricey to do today.
Wow Mark, that package has it all! Love it!
My latest. I had forgotten about this thread.
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MY GOLD TYPE SET https://pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/complete-type-sets/gold-type-set-12-piece-circulation-strikes-1839-1933/publishedset/321940
Ms 64 in NGC. Sent in here fr crossover. DNC.
Told ya it was like tours.
Did this get through the grading process?
What was the result?
To me, the nose on Miss Liberty looks like maybe it was actually Jimmy Durante.
These are 2 of the 6 known 1887 proof $3’s that were either double struck or triple struck, with rotation between the strikes.
@LanLord
Before answering, take a look at this 1867 $3 gold in old holder V35 PCGS-graded (image courtesy of Heritage Auctions):
Showing this for comparative reasons.
Then a look at the close-up of the one submitted / previously reported. Hopefully you will notice the slight differences. What may not be known is the reported '67 came in within the expected weight range tolerance and is made of gold material... so the result from the PCGS-submission might be questioned by some but the coin came back ungradable / counterfeit. So a very good deception.
After the result, I was able to have the coin reclaimed by the seller who was gracious enough to accept a return given the circumstances.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.