Like the Pattern market, the Brasher Doubloon market and the $4 gold Stella market are also very unpopular because they are expensive and the market for them is very small.
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Susan Anthony dollars are imho the most unpopular US coin ever struck. I thought about passing them out for Halloween to the kids but decided against it because I was afraid that I would get my house egged!
Well, I'm reading several good reasons to consider SBA's if you are a collector in your teens and twenties. Low downside and wait until the book is published and varieties start popping up. I felt the same way about Ike's at first. Now I have three reference books and over a dozen pieces. A few varieties are worth looking for.
I don't understand some of the comments, linking popularity with cost alone. SOME patterns are admittedly unpopular, but others are fought over. Stellas command high prices precisely because of demand. Since when, in the history of collecting U. S. coinage, has a Brasher doubloon been 'unpopular'?
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Patterns to me are very interesting in that I get to see the different designs that were considered before the mint decided on which one to strike as a regular issue. I very seldom see them unless I am at a very large show, such as the ANA.
The Brasher doubloon is way out of my league but it is a fabulous coin!!
@Sonorandesertrat said:
I don't understand some of the comments, linking popularity with cost alone. SOME patterns are admittedly unpopular, but others are fought over. Stellas command high prices precisely because of demand. Since when, in the history of collecting U. S. coinage, has a Brasher doubloon been 'unpopular'?
The trophy patterns are what the market with money wants.
@Sonorandesertrat said:
I don't understand some of the comments, linking popularity with cost alone. SOME patterns are admittedly unpopular, but others are fought over. Stellas command high prices precisely because of demand. Since when, in the history of collecting U. S. coinage, has a Brasher doubloon been 'unpopular'?
The trophy patterns are what the market with money wants.
That's cuz they're getting jaded with everything else.
@topstuf said:
I bet fewer half cent collectors than 20c.
Not betting money of course.
I seems to me that half cents are in the same place that early half dollars were several years ago.
Low mintages, cheap prices relative to those mintages. I just don't know if there's going to be enough speculative buyers and new collectors to ever get them out of the dumps.
I think one of the most unpopular 19th century series that gets the "boxoffice poison" award is the Nickel Three Cent Piece. Some of the late dates in the set are a challenge, but they don't get a lot of press.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
@topstuf said:
I bet fewer half cent collectors than 20c.
Not betting money of course.
I don't think so, having collected both. There are a lot of EAC people who collect them by die variety. I can tell you that you have to stand in line to get the rare varieties. I know that from personal experience.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Half cents to me are a very good value for their money. Putting together a type set of the 19th century half cents in nicer grade with choice color and surfaces would be a great starting point. The liberty cap coins are very tough from my experience to buy with choice surfaces and an even strike.
I think there a quite a few series....or at least more than a few....that are propped up by the Type Collector. How many self-professed Seated Half, or Bust Half-Dime collectors do you know?! Sure...a few. And some may be quite passionate and active. But could you really call them bustling series with throngs of collectors?
The Type Collector view that you "Gotta Have One!" keeps many series going beyond those who specialize in them. So, the 20-Cent, 3-Cent Nickels, etc., do have enough interest to keep them from going TOO dormant.
Separate thought:
I've always kind of found the 20-Cent coin to be rather appealing. Interesting story, short set, rather charming design. The problem is:
1) High grades are expensive. You go wandering into the MS grades, and you are talking serious commitment.
2) Even if you decide to jump in, you've got that pesky 1876-CC...which means few will ever actually FINISH the set, anyway.
Bottom line: I think some of the "Popularity" is really driven by market reality, rather than the coins themselves. SBA's, on the other hand....Yeah, they aren't all that popular.
Back in the early 2000's, I took a collecting hiatus. When I left, circa 2007, I might have claimed that Trade Dollars weren't all that popular. Didn't seem like it was much more than an side-show series, at the time.
When I came back about 2014, there was a whole lot of chatter on these boards about Trade Dollar varieties, design changes, etc. Not sure what happened. But maybe it does indicate that there is hope for any, and all, series to get a boost? (Or that hidden popularity exists for many series?).
@Smudge said:
Any modern dollar coin seems unpopular.
You'd have to exempt silver eagles.
There are currently over 1200 registry set participants in the American Silver Eagle category. Very popular series.
I don't understand this at all. I guess it is the Walker design and the easy availability that makes them so collectable. I just have zero interest in them.
I would agree with all the dollar coins after the Peace Dollar being the worst.
There are currently over 1200 registry set participants in the American Silver Eagle category. Very popular series.
Great marketing job by the mint putting dates on the eagles in order to create demand for those that collect them. Otherwise there would be 30+ years of eagles that look basically the same.
@Smudge said:
Any modern dollar coin seems unpopular.
You'd have to exempt silver eagles.
There are currently over 1200 registry set participants in the American Silver Eagle category. Very popular series.
I don't understand this at all. I guess it is the Walker design and the easy availability that makes them so collectable. I just have zero interest in them.
I would agree with all the dollar coins after the Peace Dollar being the worst.
Younger collectors think of silver eagles as "silver dollars". It's disorienting to us old folks, but if you were born in the 80s. .
@TommyType said:
I think there a quite a few series....or at least more than a few....that are propped up by the Type Collector. How many self-professed Seated Half, or Bust Half-Dime collectors do you know?! Sure...a few. And some may be quite passionate and active. But could you really call them bustling series with throngs of collectors?
The Type Collector view that you "Gotta Have One!" keeps many series going beyond those who specialize in them. So, the 20-Cent, 3-Cent Nickels, etc., do have enough interest to keep them from going TOO dormant.
Separate thought:
I've always kind of found the 20-Cent coin to be rather appealing. Interesting story, short set, rather charming design. The problem is:
1) High grades are expensive. You go wandering into the MS grades, and you are talking serious commitment.
2) Even if you decide to jump in, you've got that pesky 1876-CC...which means few will ever actually FINISH the set, anyway.
Bottom line: I think some of the "Popularity" is really driven by market reality, rather than the coins themselves. SBA's, on the other hand....Yeah, they aren't all that popular.
Putting together a seated half set quickly begins getting prohibitively expensive. I don't think this is because the market is non-existent; IMO, an average collector simply can't afford to get too involved in this series. For example, a set of Peace Dollars in MS can be put together for about half the price of a Seated Half set in the lowest grade. A set of Morgan dollars in AU could be assembled at ~2/3 the cost of the same Seated Half set. (just estimated numbers from PCGS total set values).
My series is a bottom dweller for most collectors, I also worked on 3 cent C/N and 20 cent pieces at one time, go figure.
Just call me a "dumpster diver".
There are currently over 1200 registry set participants in the American Silver Eagle category. Very popular series.
Great marketing job by the mint putting dates on the eagles in order to create demand for those that collect them. Otherwise there would be 30+ years of eagles that look basically the same.
I have an aversion to milk spots, so I would never collect them. Can you imagine 1200 Collectors actively pursueing 1/2 cents or 20 centers?
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@topstuf said:
I bet fewer half cent collectors than 20c.
Not betting money of course.
I don't think so, having collected both. There are a lot of EAC people who collect them by die variety. I can tell you that you have to stand in line to get the rare varieties. I know that from personal experience.
Okay, I'll change my bet from half cents to Big Mac tokens.
I agree with the suggestion that type collectors keep a few of these series alive... at least in mid to upper end grades. That said, at one point I was considering a half cent collection just because of low mintages and favorable prices.
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It has always seemed to me that two cent coins were the red - headed step child in the cellar... even here on this thread.... I like them and have one or two since I was a kid...(no, not collected from change - I am not that old ).....Anyway, they are rarely discussed or even mentioned here. Cheers, RickO
@ricko said:
It has always seemed to me that two cent coins were the red - headed step child in the cellar... even here on this thread....
Even though I like them, they came to mind.
Apparently they are so unmemorable that they were almost overlooked to even be ranked as high as unpopular. Makes a nice type coin, but seems not so many doing a set.
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@Insider2 said:
Well, I'm reading several good reasons to consider SBA's if you are a collector in your teens and twenties. Low downside and wait until the book is published and varieties start popping up. I felt the same way about Ike's at first. Now I have three reference books and over a dozen pieces. A few varieties are worth looking for.
The one I like is the 1999 Philadelphia Proof SBA. It's an oddity, like the 1996 W Dime.
Pete
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Like the Pattern market, the Brasher Doubloon market and the $4 gold Stella market are also very unpopular because they are expensive and the market for them is very small.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
My personal experience with patterns about 20 years ago was very negative. When it came time to sell the market seemed to vanish.
SBA's are a short series with no keys and as a result no interest from collectors.
Avoid thin markets.
Susan Anthony dollars are imho the most unpopular US coin ever struck. I thought about passing them out for Halloween to the kids but decided against it because I was afraid that I would get my house egged!
Well, I'm reading several good reasons to consider SBA's if you are a collector in your teens and twenties. Low downside and wait until the book is published and varieties start popping up. I felt the same way about Ike's at first. Now I have three reference books and over a dozen pieces. A few varieties are worth looking for.
Had a couple SBA off center strikes. Nice coins. Beyond that, little interest.
Pattern wise, I sure would like a CH Stella.
The only hope for the SBA $1 was to eliminate the paper dollar. Didn't happen and neither did the coin.
I don't understand some of the comments, linking popularity with cost alone. SOME patterns are admittedly unpopular, but others are fought over. Stellas command high prices precisely because of demand. Since when, in the history of collecting U. S. coinage, has a Brasher doubloon been 'unpopular'?
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CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Patterns to me are very interesting in that I get to see the different designs that were considered before the mint decided on which one to strike as a regular issue. I very seldom see them unless I am at a very large show, such as the ANA.
The Brasher doubloon is way out of my league but it is a fabulous coin!!
The trophy patterns are what the market with money wants.
Any modern dollar coin seems unpopular.
I agree. The coins that seem to attract the most interest are errors (especially the mules).
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
In exonumia, Coal scrip is NOT popular.
There are VOLUMES of issues, but relatively few are available at any one time.
That's cuz they're getting jaded with everything else.
Other than an interesting mint-mark or two, among the classics, the 20c series doesn't attract much attention.
I bet fewer half cent collectors than 20c.
Not betting money of course.
I seems to me that half cents are in the same place that early half dollars were several years ago.
Low mintages, cheap prices relative to those mintages. I just don't know if there's going to be enough speculative buyers and new collectors to ever get them out of the dumps.
I think one of the most unpopular 19th century series that gets the "boxoffice poison" award is the Nickel Three Cent Piece. Some of the late dates in the set are a challenge, but they don't get a lot of press.
I don't think so, having collected both. There are a lot of EAC people who collect them by die variety. I can tell you that you have to stand in line to get the rare varieties. I know that from personal experience.
3 cent nickel, silver
You'd have to exempt silver eagles.
Half cents to me are a very good value for their money. Putting together a type set of the 19th century half cents in nicer grade with choice color and surfaces would be a great starting point. The liberty cap coins are very tough from my experience to buy with choice surfaces and an even strike.
I think there a quite a few series....or at least more than a few....that are propped up by the Type Collector. How many self-professed Seated Half, or Bust Half-Dime collectors do you know?! Sure...a few. And some may be quite passionate and active. But could you really call them bustling series with throngs of collectors?
The Type Collector view that you "Gotta Have One!" keeps many series going beyond those who specialize in them. So, the 20-Cent, 3-Cent Nickels, etc., do have enough interest to keep them from going TOO dormant.
Separate thought:
I've always kind of found the 20-Cent coin to be rather appealing. Interesting story, short set, rather charming design. The problem is:
1) High grades are expensive. You go wandering into the MS grades, and you are talking serious commitment.
2) Even if you decide to jump in, you've got that pesky 1876-CC...which means few will ever actually FINISH the set, anyway.
Bottom line: I think some of the "Popularity" is really driven by market reality, rather than the coins themselves. SBA's, on the other hand....Yeah, they aren't all that popular.
True, change that to say except bullion not designed to be used as currency.
Back in the early 2000's, I took a collecting hiatus. When I left, circa 2007, I might have claimed that Trade Dollars weren't all that popular. Didn't seem like it was much more than an side-show series, at the time.
When I came back about 2014, there was a whole lot of chatter on these boards about Trade Dollar varieties, design changes, etc. Not sure what happened. But maybe it does indicate that there is hope for any, and all, series to get a boost? (Or that hidden popularity exists for many series?).
There are currently over 1200 registry set participants in the American Silver Eagle category. Very popular series.
I don't understand this at all. I guess it is the Walker design and the easy availability that makes them so collectable. I just have zero interest in them.
I would agree with all the dollar coins after the Peace Dollar being the worst.
Great marketing job by the mint putting dates on the eagles in order to create demand for those that collect them. Otherwise there would be 30+ years of eagles that look basically the same.
I like ASE's as bullion.
Younger collectors think of silver eagles as "silver dollars". It's disorienting to us old folks, but if you were born in the 80s. .
Putting together a seated half set quickly begins getting prohibitively expensive. I don't think this is because the market is non-existent; IMO, an average collector simply can't afford to get too involved in this series. For example, a set of Peace Dollars in MS can be put together for about half the price of a Seated Half set in the lowest grade. A set of Morgan dollars in AU could be assembled at ~2/3 the cost of the same Seated Half set. (just estimated numbers from PCGS total set values).
My series is a bottom dweller for most collectors, I also worked on 3 cent C/N and 20 cent pieces at one time, go figure.
Just call me a "dumpster diver".
I forgot to mention that I also like 1/2 cents, it's a copper thing.
Shield Nickels. And with recent price gyrations, Liberty Nickels in MS 65 and MS 66.
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A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
I have an aversion to milk spots, so I would never collect them. Can you imagine 1200 Collectors actively pursueing 1/2 cents or 20 centers?
Can you imagine 1200 Collectors actively pursueing 1/2 cents or 20 centers?
That would put a slight bid to prices, especially when you enter quality into the equation.
Modern commems . . .
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
I forgot to mention that I had a go at Shield Nickels, very cool series!
Okay, I'll change my bet from half cents to Big Mac tokens.
I agree with the suggestion that type collectors keep a few of these series alive... at least in mid to upper end grades. That said, at one point I was considering a half cent collection just because of low mintages and favorable prices.
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It has always seemed to me that two cent coins were the red - headed step child in the cellar... even here on this thread.... I like them and have one or two since I was a kid...(no, not collected from change - I am not that old
).....Anyway, they are rarely discussed or even mentioned here. Cheers, RickO
Even though I like them, they came to mind.
Apparently they are so unmemorable that they were almost overlooked to even be ranked as high as unpopular. Makes a nice type coin, but seems not so many doing a set.
"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
The one I like is the 1999 Philadelphia Proof SBA. It's an oddity, like the 1996 W Dime.
Pete