Curse you Tim! I’ve been saving the fumble stat for future debates!
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@erikthredd said:
NE's success absolutely has more to do with Brady than it does Belichick. Belichick has coached & managed this team knowing he's always had Brady there to bail him out. Belichick is a great coach but IMHO NE's 18 years of success had more to do with Brady's arm & brain than Bill's decision making. Also the Patriot Way should be renamed the Brady Way seeing that its been Brady's sacrfices on the financial end that has allowed Bill to constantly free up money to use towards building a deeper roster. This topic has been beat to death here in NE over the past 18 years and I'll always believe that sure BB could have put together some solid playoff years without Tom but with Tom they became a Dynasty .
Couldn't disagree with ya more on this one Eric.
In my opinion, Brady on an average team with an average coach, it's debatable whether he would make the Hall of Fame.
If you actually watched Brady play every game for the past 18 years you wouldn't think that.His will & drive to win is other wordly and the only other athlete that i can honestly say was comparable was Michael Jordan.
I think the problem is that many out there don't like Belichick personally, and that interferes with their better judgment about the situation.
After yesterday you know how i feel about Belichick,I put him up there with Vince Lombardi
Bill Belichick is a stone cold genius. To me, listening to him talk football is like listening to a musical genius play the guitar such as Eric Clapton. I love hearing Belichick talk and analyze the game of football, unlike anybody else I've seen in my lifetime.
I love when Bill actually talks x's & o's on the Patriots weekly tv show as well as his weekly interview on talk radio
Believe me...you Pats fans will miss Belichick big time when he's gone.
Us Pats fans are going to miss them both very much. They're both great in their own right but together? Just look at what they've accomplished since 2001. We might never see a similar run in the NFL ever again.
<<< We might never see a similar run in the NFL ever again. >>>
Doug Pederson and Carson Wentz?
But i fully realize how tough it's going to be for Wentz to do that with an ACL tear.
I'll enjoy it while it lasts with Wentz. Then we shall see if Pederson is good enough to find another QB with enough talent to be able to be coached up to a Super Bowl winning level. At this point in time, I do believe that Pederson is capable of doing that.
Although i don't think that despite his amazing performance in the Super Bowl, that Nick Foles is capable of performing in a grueling 16 game season, and then winning at least three more games. I've stated before I think that being a fresh QB, greatly helped Foles in the playoffs and Super Bowl. I'd like to see Pederson mix in Foles more during the upcoming regular season, to help keep Wentz fresh and lessen the chance of another injury, and I think Pederson will somehow do just that.
If ten years from now the Eagles have wrapped up a number of Super Bowl championships with the Wentz/Foles combination, that would be fine with me. It wouldn't lessen any pleasure I would get from that, versus Wentz winning the rest of the Super Bowls by himself.
So perhaps Doug Pederson and Carson Wentz/Nick Foles may one day surpass the Belichick/Brady success record? Wishful thinking? Of course it is but what's wrong with that? Especially for a long suffering Eagles fan...or should I say a "previously" long suffering Eagles fan.
@perkdog said:
And after watching that video it amazes me that anyone can say there was a better RB. It’s honestly ridiculous
There are clips just as good of Payton, Smith, Dorsett, Campbell and others. Reggie White is not the only man to get faked out of his j-strap.
Dimeman is absolutely right. Posted below is a Jim Brown video.
What Sanders fans need to understand is that Brown would look even more devastating if there were all the additional close-up cameras that were around when Sanders played, showing every nuance of his moves. Brown had moves to, or he would just run over you...the defensive players picked their poison - LOL
Additional note: Second time I've posted an NFL video recently and it's been blocked, at least on my computer it is? Oh well, anyone can go to Youtube and see all the Jim Brown highlight videos.
Thanks for posting! Have seen it before, but again amazed at Browns combination of strength and speed. Barry was amazing as well, Brown was better in my opinion.
For those that keep harping on how much bigger JB was than other players, he wasn't 4X bigger, yet it sometimes took that many to bring him down, AND it looks like he was almost as fast as anyone on the field to me.
The point that Perk keeps making and I subscribe to as well is that Brown played against smaller and vastly less talented defenses then the modern era. Many were part time players. The best athletes couldn’t afford to play football back then. It didn’t pay. For goddsake they used to smoke cigarettes on the sidelines. Bobby Layne was drunk during the games. I’m not saying they were less tough back then. I am saying they were less talented and less skilled. As Steve would say that can’t be debated. Case closed.
In the 90’s defeneses were geared to stop one thing. The run. No doubt Brown would still be a force in any era but would not be as dominate out of his. JMHO.
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Wouldn't that mean the offensive players were smaller too? You can't have it both ways, Clevelands offensive players were also smaller and less talented as well. Mr. Brown might have used modern exercise and nutrition, and be even better. Case closed?
Since there isn't a time machine yet there's no way to prove it.
The two of them in the same backfield would make defenses shake in their cleats!!
Howdy Joe
Let me add this. Offensive and defensive lineman in the modern era are bigger, stronger and more massive. The Big Uglies are bigger and uglier. Skilled players in the modern era are faster and more chiseled. They work out all year. They diet. They train with specialists. They make millions. It’s their only job. If they are lucky they get endorsements. In the 50’s and 60’s for sure this wasn’t the case as a whole. It just wasn’t. Jim Brown was somewhat of an anomaly for that era in regards to size and speed. Yes he would still be great today.
Please note I did not say modern players were tougher. Football in the modern era is a full time job. It just wasn’t the case in Browns era.
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Yes, I get all that.
My point is that if the claim is made that Brown would have a harder time battling the bigger, faster, stronger defenders of today's game, I'm going to counter that JB's offensive players, and Brown himself, would also be bigger, faster and stronger, so there's really no point in that argument. Yet it gets repeated over and over again. Of course the guys who like Sanders (or Emmitt or Walter) want to plop them in with the Cleveland Browns just as they were with their modern nutrition and weight training, they would lose some playing in an older time, because it didn't exist then. That's why you can't have it both ways.
Since all these guys played for different teams (what if so and so played with the Cowboys' O-Line he would have gained a million yards) we will never really know who was REALLY the best.
I would prefer Brown simply because he had fewer of the big losses Barry did. As a guy with a football in his hands Barry, Gale Sayers, O.J. and maybe even an old timer like Hugh McElhenny were more exciting, maybe better athletes, but if I am picking a guy to carry the rock it's JB all the way baby! I would take Payton second for the same reason, barely ahead of Sanders.
btw I saw some film of Hugh McElhenny a few years ago, see for yourself how good he was. After all his nickname was the "King"
Quite impressive his field awareness and the way he made use of his blockers. I've never seen it done better than that.
@perkdog said:
Steve, You want to talk success between Brady and Montana let’s leave the Coaching out of it, Belichek or Bill Walsh they both are/were geniuses, Bill Walsh was an absolute pioneer of genius coaching. Want to talk supporting cast? Montana had it way better and everyone knows that, on both sides of the ball he had numerous great players. Brady? He gets new receivers every few years and suspect defenses to back him up and he has brought the Pats to 8 Super Bowls in 18 years, playoffs every year and how many AFC championship games? Give Brady Jerry Rice for 12 + years and his numbers would be even better.
Those are some good points.
But you have to agree that a guy like Rob Gronkowski isn't exactly chopped liver.
Belichick just has that incredible way of not only terrific game planning, but saying the right things at the right time in the right way to the particular player to get him to perform to his maximum level.
i recall the line from Herb Brooks when he was assembling that famous 1980 Olympics US hockey team that beat the Soviets. He said (paraphrase) "I'm not looking for the best players, i'm looking for the right ones"
I think a lot of coaches out there fail when they solely look for talent, and basically ignore character.
Of course talent is important, but character is important as well, and Belichick just seems to have the knack of finding those players and inserting them into his team. And when they are worn out and no longer have the right character, the right attitude, to play the brutal game of football, he finds new ones.
So when you state or imply that Brady didn't have the greatest cast of supporting players around him, i have to disagree with that. Yes, it wasn't the same number of career Hall of Fame players like Montana had, but the way Belichick does it, for the time they play for him, they play like Hall of Fame caliber players for the time they are on his team. And when they don't respond to his coaching any longer, could be after only a year or two, then they are gone.
So while it can be stated that Brady didn't have the most talented players around him, he did have the right players around him, and that has to be factored in to Brady's success.
The "Great" Jim Brown played before replay. What percent of fumbles are overturned after replay? 10%?, 20%, 50%? Anyone who would take the "extremely good" Sanders over Brown obviously knows little about football. Checkmate!
@Brick said:
The "Great" Jim Brown played before replay. What percent of fumbles are overturned after replay? 10%?, 20%, 50%? Anyone who would take the "extremely good" Sanders over Brown obviously knows little about football. Checkmate!
Right and what percentage of Browns plays did he step out of bounds during a sideline run or actually have a knee down during a broken tackle and the refs didn’t see or chose to ignore it because it was Jim Brown?
@perkdog said:
Steve, You want to talk success between Brady and Montana let’s leave the Coaching out of it, Belichek or Bill Walsh they both are/were geniuses, Bill Walsh was an absolute pioneer of genius coaching. Want to talk supporting cast? Montana had it way better and everyone knows that, on both sides of the ball he had numerous great players. Brady? He gets new receivers every few years and suspect defenses to back him up and he has brought the Pats to 8 Super Bowls in 18 years, playoffs every year and how many AFC championship games? Give Brady Jerry Rice for 12 + years and his numbers would be even better.
Those are some good points.
But you have to agree that a guy like Rob Gronkowski isn't exactly chopped liver.
Belichick just has that incredible way of not only terrific game planning, but saying the right things at the right time in the right way to the particular player to get him to perform to his maximum level.
i recall the line from Herb Brooks when he was assembling that famous 1980 Olympics US hockey team that beat the Soviets. He said (paraphrase) "I'm not looking for the best players, i'm looking for the right ones"
I think a lot of coaches out there fail when they solely look for talent, and basically ignore character.
Of course talent is important, but character is important as well, and Belichick just seems to have the knack of finding those players and inserting them into his team. And when they are worn out and no longer have the right character, the right attitude, to play the brutal game of football, he finds new ones.
So when you state or imply that Brady didn't have the greatest cast of supporting players around him, i have to disagree with that. Yes, it wasn't the same number of career Hall of Fame players like Montana had, but the way Belichick does it, for the time they play for him, they play like Hall of Fame caliber players for the time they are on his team. And when they don't respond to his coaching any longer, could be after only a year or two, then they are gone.
So while it can be stated that Brady didn't have the most talented players around him, he did have the right players around him, and that has to be factored in to Brady's success.
I will buy into that to a point, But having HOF players around you and having the “Right” players around you are two different things, honestly as I’ve said this before I think Belichek has held the franchise back in some ways with his arrogance and god complex, he will get rid of a HOF player if he gets annoyed with that player even just a little. Moss and Gronk are by far the best receivers Brady has ever had, Moss was not a Patriot for too long, Gronk is a beast but he has won without him many times. At the end of the day Belichek can’t pin point those passes for Brady nor read the Defense for him or physically lead the team back from down 25 points in a Super Bowl with less than 2 Quarters remaining. Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this.
@grote15 said:
In case you were wondering here are the advanced situational stats:
In game situations when there was an average of 1-3 yards needed for a first down, Sanders averaged 4.0 yards per carry.
In game situations when there was an average of 1-3 yards needed for a first down, Smith averaged 3.0 yards per carry.
That's one full yard better, on average, between the two backs in short yardage sitauations. Like I said, Sanders is clearly the better back, not only overall, but in short yardage situations vs Smith, too.
Additionally, Smith had a higher fumble rate than Sanders, who rarely fumbled, so I'd rather go to a guy who's less likely to turn the ball over, as well.
As SteveK would say, case closed.
I would still take Smith in this situation due to the tackle for loss with Sanders. Plus I just like Smith better and he has the record for total yards and TD's. And Brown has the YPC record.
@erikthredd said:
NE's success absolutely has more to do with Brady than it does Belichick. Belichick has coached & managed this team knowing he's always had Brady there to bail him out. Belichick is a great coach but IMHO NE's 18 years of success had more to do with Brady's arm & brain than Bill's decision making. Also the Patriot Way should be renamed the Brady Way seeing that its been Brady's sacrfices on the financial end that has allowed Bill to constantly free up money to use towards building a deeper roster. This topic has been beat to death here in NE over the past 18 years and I'll always believe that sure BB could have put together some solid playoff years without Tom but with Tom they became a Dynasty .
Couldn't disagree with ya more on this one Eric.
In my opinion, Brady on an average team with an average coach, it's debatable whether he would make the Hall of Fame.
If you actually watched Brady play every game for the past 18 years you wouldn't think that.His will & drive to win is other wordly and the only other athlete that i can honestly say was comparable was Michael Jordan.
I think the problem is that many out there don't like Belichick personally, and that interferes with their better judgment about the situation.
After yesterday you know how i feel about Belichick,I put him up there with Vince Lombardi
Bill Belichick is a stone cold genius. To me, listening to him talk football is like listening to a musical genius play the guitar such as Eric Clapton. I love hearing Belichick talk and analyze the game of football, unlike anybody else I've seen in my lifetime.
I love when Bill actually talks x's & o's on the Patriots weekly tv show as well as his weekly interview on talk radio
Believe me...you Pats fans will miss Belichick big time when he's gone.
Us Pats fans are going to miss them both very much. They're both great in their own right but together? Just look at what they've accomplished since 2001. We might never see a similar run in the NFL ever again.
<<< We might never see a similar run in the NFL ever again. >>>
Doug Pederson and Carson Wentz?
But i fully realize how tough it's going to be for Wentz to do that with an ACL tear.
I'll enjoy it while it lasts with Wentz. Then we shall see if Pederson is good enough to find another QB with enough talent to be able to be coached up to a Super Bowl winning level. At this point in time, I do believe that Pederson is capable of doing that.
Although i don't think that despite his amazing performance in the Super Bowl, that Nick Foles is capable of performing in a grueling 16 game season, and then winning at least three more games. I've stated before I think that being a fresh QB, greatly helped Foles in the playoffs and Super Bowl. I'd like to see Pederson mix in Foles more during the upcoming regular season, to help keep Wentz fresh and lessen the chance of another injury, and I think Pederson will somehow do just that.
If ten years from now the Eagles have wrapped up a number of Super Bowl championships with the Wentz/Foles combination, that would be fine with me. It wouldn't lessen any pleasure I would get from that, versus Wentz winning the rest of the Super Bowls by himself.
So perhaps Doug Pederson and Carson Wentz/Nick Foles may one day surpass the Belichick/Brady success record? Wishful thinking? Of course it is but what's wrong with that? Especially for a long suffering Eagles fan...or should I say a "previously" long suffering Eagles fan.
Boy Steve.....you win 1 Super Bowl and you want to put your Eagles up there with the dynasties of the Cowboys, Steelers and Pats! Come on man.
Steve you take homerism to a whole new level. Wentz & Pederson have a very long way to go before they finish anywhere near Brady &Belichik's 8 SB trips,5 SB wins and 15 division titles in 17 seasons. Wentz has looked good but let's see him make the playoffs with a #1 seed schedule while every team is gunning for the defending SB champ.
I will say this though,there are some similarities between that Eagles team and the 2001 Patriots: both had a coach in his second season with team that had a losing record the year before,both teams lost their starting QB to injury and both went on to win the SB with their backup QB.
Those are the only comparisons I'm willing to make until we see Philly be able to do it again and again
@1970s said:
Being that we are talking about Brady, Sanders, Montana and Brown, I have concluded that when the topic of greatest eagles of all time comes up it's either A. too boring of a subject... or
B. hardly any players to talk about.
We do stuff like this pretty much in every thread you might come across in the Sports Talk so don't read into it to much. I don't think anyone cares over here when a thread gets hijacked we just go with it.
The idea that Emmitt Smith should be considered among the best running backs of all-time is suspect. Smith and Sanders were not in the same league. Put Sanders on those Cowboys teams and see what happens.
Smith is not a top 10 RB. He is maybe 75% of Eric Dickerson. Maybe. In their respective primes, Terrell Davis was a better RB. This list could go on for quite some time. If you control for the talent of the surrounding team, you might get a good match with Curtis Martin.
He was a good compiler, but I don't like compilers (if you couldn't tell).
Haven't read the whole thread, but I thought of Brian Westbrook as the answer to the original question. Probably McNabb, though.
@perkdog said:
Steve, You want to talk success between Brady and Montana let’s leave the Coaching out of it, Belichek or Bill Walsh they both are/were geniuses, Bill Walsh was an absolute pioneer of genius coaching. Want to talk supporting cast? Montana had it way better and everyone knows that, on both sides of the ball he had numerous great players. Brady? He gets new receivers every few years and suspect defenses to back him up and he has brought the Pats to 8 Super Bowls in 18 years, playoffs every year and how many AFC championship games? Give Brady Jerry Rice for 12 + years and his numbers would be even better.
Those are some good points.
But you have to agree that a guy like Rob Gronkowski isn't exactly chopped liver.
Belichick just has that incredible way of not only terrific game planning, but saying the right things at the right time in the right way to the particular player to get him to perform to his maximum level.
i recall the line from Herb Brooks when he was assembling that famous 1980 Olympics US hockey team that beat the Soviets. He said (paraphrase) "I'm not looking for the best players, i'm looking for the right ones"
I think a lot of coaches out there fail when they solely look for talent, and basically ignore character.
Of course talent is important, but character is important as well, and Belichick just seems to have the knack of finding those players and inserting them into his team. And when they are worn out and no longer have the right character, the right attitude, to play the brutal game of football, he finds new ones.
So when you state or imply that Brady didn't have the greatest cast of supporting players around him, i have to disagree with that. Yes, it wasn't the same number of career Hall of Fame players like Montana had, but the way Belichick does it, for the time they play for him, they play like Hall of Fame caliber players for the time they are on his team. And when they don't respond to his coaching any longer, could be after only a year or two, then they are gone.
So while it can be stated that Brady didn't have the most talented players around him, he did have the right players around him, and that has to be factored in to Brady's success.
I will buy into that to a point, But having HOF players around you and having the “Right” players around you are two different things, honestly as I’ve said this before I think Belichek has held the franchise back in some ways with his arrogance and god complex, he will get rid of a HOF player if he gets annoyed with that player even just a little. Moss and Gronk are by far the best receivers Brady has ever had, Moss was not a Patriot for too long, Gronk is a beast but he has won without him many times. At the end of the day Belichek can’t pin point those passes for Brady nor read the Defense for him or physically lead the team back from down 25 points in a Super Bowl with less than 2 Quarters remaining. Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this.
<<< Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this. >>>
@perkdog said:
Steve, You want to talk success between Brady and Montana let’s leave the Coaching out of it, Belichek or Bill Walsh they both are/were geniuses, Bill Walsh was an absolute pioneer of genius coaching. Want to talk supporting cast? Montana had it way better and everyone knows that, on both sides of the ball he had numerous great players. Brady? He gets new receivers every few years and suspect defenses to back him up and he has brought the Pats to 8 Super Bowls in 18 years, playoffs every year and how many AFC championship games? Give Brady Jerry Rice for 12 + years and his numbers would be even better.
Those are some good points.
But you have to agree that a guy like Rob Gronkowski isn't exactly chopped liver.
Belichick just has that incredible way of not only terrific game planning, but saying the right things at the right time in the right way to the particular player to get him to perform to his maximum level.
i recall the line from Herb Brooks when he was assembling that famous 1980 Olympics US hockey team that beat the Soviets. He said (paraphrase) "I'm not looking for the best players, i'm looking for the right ones"
I think a lot of coaches out there fail when they solely look for talent, and basically ignore character.
Of course talent is important, but character is important as well, and Belichick just seems to have the knack of finding those players and inserting them into his team. And when they are worn out and no longer have the right character, the right attitude, to play the brutal game of football, he finds new ones.
So when you state or imply that Brady didn't have the greatest cast of supporting players around him, i have to disagree with that. Yes, it wasn't the same number of career Hall of Fame players like Montana had, but the way Belichick does it, for the time they play for him, they play like Hall of Fame caliber players for the time they are on his team. And when they don't respond to his coaching any longer, could be after only a year or two, then they are gone.
So while it can be stated that Brady didn't have the most talented players around him, he did have the right players around him, and that has to be factored in to Brady's success.
I will buy into that to a point, But having HOF players around you and having the “Right” players around you are two different things, honestly as I’ve said this before I think Belichek has held the franchise back in some ways with his arrogance and god complex, he will get rid of a HOF player if he gets annoyed with that player even just a little. Moss and Gronk are by far the best receivers Brady has ever had, Moss was not a Patriot for too long, Gronk is a beast but he has won without him many times. At the end of the day Belichek can’t pin point those passes for Brady nor read the Defense for him or physically lead the team back from down 25 points in a Super Bowl with less than 2 Quarters remaining. Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this.
<<< Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this. >>>
Excerpt from Tom Brady interview:
By Nicole Yang May 1, 2018
Brady maintained he has a “great” and “respectful” relationship with Belichick, who has been his only coach over the course of his 19 years in the NFL. Brady acknowledged Belichick’s management style doesn’t make him “the easiest coach to play for,” but said he still believes the 66-year-old is best coach in the history of the league for a variety of reasons.
“He’s been an incredible mentor for me,” Brady said. “He’s taught me so much football . . . I wouldn’t be sitting here without his coaching. I wouldn’t have the success without how incredibly talented he was.”
Brady pinpointed Belichick’s consistently critical eye, which was reportedly a source of tension, as an major contributing factor to New England’s prolonged success.
Despite the frequent blowout wins during the Patriots’ 18-1 season in 2007, Brady said Belichick would have plenty of critiques the following day: “We sucked on defense. We can’t cover a kick. We’re four of eight on third down. What a joke.”
“We always used to walk out of the meeting saying, ‘Humble pie was served,'” Brady said. “It was a very grounding experience for all of us. If you do listen to your wife, your girlfriend, or your family, they’re not giving you the truth. They don’t know why you’re winning or losing. But you need people to critically evaluate why good things or bad things are happening.”
“Even if you win, you aren’t doing everything perfect. When you lose, you aren’t doing everything wrong. There’s always a middle ground.”
@erikthredd said:
Steve you take homerism to a whole new level. Wentz & Pederson have a very long way to go before they finish anywhere near Brady &Belichik's 8 SB trips,5 SB wins and 15 division titles in 17 seasons. Wentz has looked good but let's see him make the playoffs with a #1 seed schedule while every team is gunning for the defending SB champ.
I will say this though,there are some similarities between that Eagles team and the 2001 Patriots: both had a coach in his second season with team that had a losing record the year before,both teams lost their starting QB to injury and both went on to win the SB with their backup QB.
Those are the only comparisons I'm willing to make until we see Philly be able to do it again and again
@bens4778 said:
The idea that Emmitt Smith should be considered among the best running backs of all-time is suspect. Smith and Sanders were not in the same league. Put Sanders on those Cowboys teams and see what happens.
Smith is not a top 10 RB. He is maybe 75% of Eric Dickerson. Maybe. In their respective primes, Terrell Davis was a better RB. This list could go on for quite some time. If you control for the talent of the surrounding team, you might get a good match with Curtis Martin.
He was a good compiler, but I don't like compilers (if you couldn't tell).
Haven't read the whole thread, but I thought of Brian Westbrook as the answer to the original question. Probably McNabb, though.
Emmitt Smith in football always reminded me a bit of Hank Aaron in baseball. Both excellent first ballot HOF players, both solid and consistent with long professional careers that led to a number of records.
Sorry but despite all that, they aren't GOAT.
Smith is closer to a GOAT than Aaron, but nevertheless, not a GOAT.
@Brick said:
The "Great" Jim Brown played before replay. What percent of fumbles are overturned after replay? 10%?, 20%, 50%? Anyone who would take the "extremely good" Sanders over Brown obviously knows little about football. Checkmate!
I believe Barry Sanders played most if not all of his career without replay. Barry retired in 1998 and the coaches challenge began in 1999. I'm not 100% certain of this, but I believe he never played with it.
I believe they were reviewing plays in the early to mid 80's. The coaches challenge was added to it years later.
@perkdog said:
Steve, You want to talk success between Brady and Montana let’s leave the Coaching out of it, Belichek or Bill Walsh they both are/were geniuses, Bill Walsh was an absolute pioneer of genius coaching. Want to talk supporting cast? Montana had it way better and everyone knows that, on both sides of the ball he had numerous great players. Brady? He gets new receivers every few years and suspect defenses to back him up and he has brought the Pats to 8 Super Bowls in 18 years, playoffs every year and how many AFC championship games? Give Brady Jerry Rice for 12 + years and his numbers would be even better.
Those are some good points.
But you have to agree that a guy like Rob Gronkowski isn't exactly chopped liver.
Belichick just has that incredible way of not only terrific game planning, but saying the right things at the right time in the right way to the particular player to get him to perform to his maximum level.
i recall the line from Herb Brooks when he was assembling that famous 1980 Olympics US hockey team that beat the Soviets. He said (paraphrase) "I'm not looking for the best players, i'm looking for the right ones"
I think a lot of coaches out there fail when they solely look for talent, and basically ignore character.
Of course talent is important, but character is important as well, and Belichick just seems to have the knack of finding those players and inserting them into his team. And when they are worn out and no longer have the right character, the right attitude, to play the brutal game of football, he finds new ones.
So when you state or imply that Brady didn't have the greatest cast of supporting players around him, i have to disagree with that. Yes, it wasn't the same number of career Hall of Fame players like Montana had, but the way Belichick does it, for the time they play for him, they play like Hall of Fame caliber players for the time they are on his team. And when they don't respond to his coaching any longer, could be after only a year or two, then they are gone.
So while it can be stated that Brady didn't have the most talented players around him, he did have the right players around him, and that has to be factored in to Brady's success.
I will buy into that to a point, But having HOF players around you and having the “Right” players around you are two different things, honestly as I’ve said this before I think Belichek has held the franchise back in some ways with his arrogance and god complex, he will get rid of a HOF player if he gets annoyed with that player even just a little. Moss and Gronk are by far the best receivers Brady has ever had, Moss was not a Patriot for too long, Gronk is a beast but he has won without him many times. At the end of the day Belichek can’t pin point those passes for Brady nor read the Defense for him or physically lead the team back from down 25 points in a Super Bowl with less than 2 Quarters remaining. Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this.
<<< Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this. >>>
@perkdog said:
Steve, You want to talk success between Brady and Montana let’s leave the Coaching out of it, Belichek or Bill Walsh they both are/were geniuses, Bill Walsh was an absolute pioneer of genius coaching. Want to talk supporting cast? Montana had it way better and everyone knows that, on both sides of the ball he had numerous great players. Brady? He gets new receivers every few years and suspect defenses to back him up and he has brought the Pats to 8 Super Bowls in 18 years, playoffs every year and how many AFC championship games? Give Brady Jerry Rice for 12 + years and his numbers would be even better.
Those are some good points.
But you have to agree that a guy like Rob Gronkowski isn't exactly chopped liver.
Belichick just has that incredible way of not only terrific game planning, but saying the right things at the right time in the right way to the particular player to get him to perform to his maximum level.
i recall the line from Herb Brooks when he was assembling that famous 1980 Olympics US hockey team that beat the Soviets. He said (paraphrase) "I'm not looking for the best players, i'm looking for the right ones"
I think a lot of coaches out there fail when they solely look for talent, and basically ignore character.
Of course talent is important, but character is important as well, and Belichick just seems to have the knack of finding those players and inserting them into his team. And when they are worn out and no longer have the right character, the right attitude, to play the brutal game of football, he finds new ones.
So when you state or imply that Brady didn't have the greatest cast of supporting players around him, i have to disagree with that. Yes, it wasn't the same number of career Hall of Fame players like Montana had, but the way Belichick does it, for the time they play for him, they play like Hall of Fame caliber players for the time they are on his team. And when they don't respond to his coaching any longer, could be after only a year or two, then they are gone.
So while it can be stated that Brady didn't have the most talented players around him, he did have the right players around him, and that has to be factored in to Brady's success.
I will buy into that to a point, But having HOF players around you and having the “Right” players around you are two different things, honestly as I’ve said this before I think Belichek has held the franchise back in some ways with his arrogance and god complex, he will get rid of a HOF player if he gets annoyed with that player even just a little. Moss and Gronk are by far the best receivers Brady has ever had, Moss was not a Patriot for too long, Gronk is a beast but he has won without him many times. At the end of the day Belichek can’t pin point those passes for Brady nor read the Defense for him or physically lead the team back from down 25 points in a Super Bowl with less than 2 Quarters remaining. Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this.
<<< Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this. >>>
Excerpt from Tom Brady interview:
By Nicole Yang May 1, 2018
Brady maintained he has a “great” and “respectful” relationship with Belichick, who has been his only coach over the course of his 19 years in the NFL. Brady acknowledged Belichick’s management style doesn’t make him “the easiest coach to play for,” but said he still believes the 66-year-old is best coach in the history of the league for a variety of reasons.
“He’s been an incredible mentor for me,” Brady said. “He’s taught me so much football . . . I wouldn’t be sitting here without his coaching. I wouldn’t have the success without how incredibly talented he was.”
Brady pinpointed Belichick’s consistently critical eye, which was reportedly a source of tension, as an major contributing factor to New England’s prolonged success.
Despite the frequent blowout wins during the Patriots’ 18-1 season in 2007, Brady said Belichick would have plenty of critiques the following day: “We sucked on defense. We can’t cover a kick. We’re four of eight on third down. What a joke.”
“We always used to walk out of the meeting saying, ‘Humble pie was served,'” Brady said. “It was a very grounding experience for all of us. If you do listen to your wife, your girlfriend, or your family, they’re not giving you the truth. They don’t know why you’re winning or losing. But you need people to critically evaluate why good things or bad things are happening.”
“Even if you win, you aren’t doing everything perfect. When you lose, you aren’t doing everything wrong. There’s always a middle ground.”
Ok longest Quote in CU history lol. Steve, rule #1 buddy, people getting interviewed LIE, what do you think Brady will say when asked about his CURRENT coach? That he has no bearing on how well he and the team has done? Ofcourse not! Absolutely he is going to give his coach the props and say those things lol. You know better than that Steve, it’s like being at the poker table, things are not always what they seem when guys open their mouth lol
@perkdog said:
Steve, You want to talk success between Brady and Montana let’s leave the Coaching out of it, Belichek or Bill Walsh they both are/were geniuses, Bill Walsh was an absolute pioneer of genius coaching. Want to talk supporting cast? Montana had it way better and everyone knows that, on both sides of the ball he had numerous great players. Brady? He gets new receivers every few years and suspect defenses to back him up and he has brought the Pats to 8 Super Bowls in 18 years, playoffs every year and how many AFC championship games? Give Brady Jerry Rice for 12 + years and his numbers would be even better.
Those are some good points.
But you have to agree that a guy like Rob Gronkowski isn't exactly chopped liver.
Belichick just has that incredible way of not only terrific game planning, but saying the right things at the right time in the right way to the particular player to get him to perform to his maximum level.
i recall the line from Herb Brooks when he was assembling that famous 1980 Olympics US hockey team that beat the Soviets. He said (paraphrase) "I'm not looking for the best players, i'm looking for the right ones"
I think a lot of coaches out there fail when they solely look for talent, and basically ignore character.
Of course talent is important, but character is important as well, and Belichick just seems to have the knack of finding those players and inserting them into his team. And when they are worn out and no longer have the right character, the right attitude, to play the brutal game of football, he finds new ones.
So when you state or imply that Brady didn't have the greatest cast of supporting players around him, i have to disagree with that. Yes, it wasn't the same number of career Hall of Fame players like Montana had, but the way Belichick does it, for the time they play for him, they play like Hall of Fame caliber players for the time they are on his team. And when they don't respond to his coaching any longer, could be after only a year or two, then they are gone.
So while it can be stated that Brady didn't have the most talented players around him, he did have the right players around him, and that has to be factored in to Brady's success.
I will buy into that to a point, But having HOF players around you and having the “Right” players around you are two different things, honestly as I’ve said this before I think Belichek has held the franchise back in some ways with his arrogance and god complex, he will get rid of a HOF player if he gets annoyed with that player even just a little. Moss and Gronk are by far the best receivers Brady has ever had, Moss was not a Patriot for too long, Gronk is a beast but he has won without him many times. At the end of the day Belichek can’t pin point those passes for Brady nor read the Defense for him or physically lead the team back from down 25 points in a Super Bowl with less than 2 Quarters remaining. Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this.
<<< Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this. >>>
@perkdog said:
Steve, You want to talk success between Brady and Montana let’s leave the Coaching out of it, Belichek or Bill Walsh they both are/were geniuses, Bill Walsh was an absolute pioneer of genius coaching. Want to talk supporting cast? Montana had it way better and everyone knows that, on both sides of the ball he had numerous great players. Brady? He gets new receivers every few years and suspect defenses to back him up and he has brought the Pats to 8 Super Bowls in 18 years, playoffs every year and how many AFC championship games? Give Brady Jerry Rice for 12 + years and his numbers would be even better.
Those are some good points.
But you have to agree that a guy like Rob Gronkowski isn't exactly chopped liver.
Belichick just has that incredible way of not only terrific game planning, but saying the right things at the right time in the right way to the particular player to get him to perform to his maximum level.
i recall the line from Herb Brooks when he was assembling that famous 1980 Olympics US hockey team that beat the Soviets. He said (paraphrase) "I'm not looking for the best players, i'm looking for the right ones"
I think a lot of coaches out there fail when they solely look for talent, and basically ignore character.
Of course talent is important, but character is important as well, and Belichick just seems to have the knack of finding those players and inserting them into his team. And when they are worn out and no longer have the right character, the right attitude, to play the brutal game of football, he finds new ones.
So when you state or imply that Brady didn't have the greatest cast of supporting players around him, i have to disagree with that. Yes, it wasn't the same number of career Hall of Fame players like Montana had, but the way Belichick does it, for the time they play for him, they play like Hall of Fame caliber players for the time they are on his team. And when they don't respond to his coaching any longer, could be after only a year or two, then they are gone.
So while it can be stated that Brady didn't have the most talented players around him, he did have the right players around him, and that has to be factored in to Brady's success.
I will buy into that to a point, But having HOF players around you and having the “Right” players around you are two different things, honestly as I’ve said this before I think Belichek has held the franchise back in some ways with his arrogance and god complex, he will get rid of a HOF player if he gets annoyed with that player even just a little. Moss and Gronk are by far the best receivers Brady has ever had, Moss was not a Patriot for too long, Gronk is a beast but he has won without him many times. At the end of the day Belichek can’t pin point those passes for Brady nor read the Defense for him or physically lead the team back from down 25 points in a Super Bowl with less than 2 Quarters remaining. Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this.
<<< Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this. >>>
Excerpt from Tom Brady interview:
By Nicole Yang May 1, 2018
Brady maintained he has a “great” and “respectful” relationship with Belichick, who has been his only coach over the course of his 19 years in the NFL. Brady acknowledged Belichick’s management style doesn’t make him “the easiest coach to play for,” but said he still believes the 66-year-old is best coach in the history of the league for a variety of reasons.
“He’s been an incredible mentor for me,” Brady said. “He’s taught me so much football . . . I wouldn’t be sitting here without his coaching. I wouldn’t have the success without how incredibly talented he was.”
Brady pinpointed Belichick’s consistently critical eye, which was reportedly a source of tension, as an major contributing factor to New England’s prolonged success.
Despite the frequent blowout wins during the Patriots’ 18-1 season in 2007, Brady said Belichick would have plenty of critiques the following day: “We sucked on defense. We can’t cover a kick. We’re four of eight on third down. What a joke.”
“We always used to walk out of the meeting saying, ‘Humble pie was served,'” Brady said. “It was a very grounding experience for all of us. If you do listen to your wife, your girlfriend, or your family, they’re not giving you the truth. They don’t know why you’re winning or losing. But you need people to critically evaluate why good things or bad things are happening.”
“Even if you win, you aren’t doing everything perfect. When you lose, you aren’t doing everything wrong. There’s always a middle ground.”
That is Brady being humble,he says the same things about his teammates. You won't see or hear Belichick ever give that type of praise for Brady or any active player.
This is one of those situations where if you haven't watched Brady every week you just won't get it. People watched that Falcons SB comeback and were then like "now he's the GOAT" when he's been doing stuff like that for years.
Their success doesn't get to the point it has without the other guy but if we could go back to 2001 then choose one or the other,it's Brady all day.
@perkdog said:
Steve, You want to talk success between Brady and Montana let’s leave the Coaching out of it, Belichek or Bill Walsh they both are/were geniuses, Bill Walsh was an absolute pioneer of genius coaching. Want to talk supporting cast? Montana had it way better and everyone knows that, on both sides of the ball he had numerous great players. Brady? He gets new receivers every few years and suspect defenses to back him up and he has brought the Pats to 8 Super Bowls in 18 years, playoffs every year and how many AFC championship games? Give Brady Jerry Rice for 12 + years and his numbers would be even better.
Those are some good points.
But you have to agree that a guy like Rob Gronkowski isn't exactly chopped liver.
Belichick just has that incredible way of not only terrific game planning, but saying the right things at the right time in the right way to the particular player to get him to perform to his maximum level.
i recall the line from Herb Brooks when he was assembling that famous 1980 Olympics US hockey team that beat the Soviets. He said (paraphrase) "I'm not looking for the best players, i'm looking for the right ones"
I think a lot of coaches out there fail when they solely look for talent, and basically ignore character.
Of course talent is important, but character is important as well, and Belichick just seems to have the knack of finding those players and inserting them into his team. And when they are worn out and no longer have the right character, the right attitude, to play the brutal game of football, he finds new ones.
So when you state or imply that Brady didn't have the greatest cast of supporting players around him, i have to disagree with that. Yes, it wasn't the same number of career Hall of Fame players like Montana had, but the way Belichick does it, for the time they play for him, they play like Hall of Fame caliber players for the time they are on his team. And when they don't respond to his coaching any longer, could be after only a year or two, then they are gone.
So while it can be stated that Brady didn't have the most talented players around him, he did have the right players around him, and that has to be factored in to Brady's success.
I will buy into that to a point, But having HOF players around you and having the “Right” players around you are two different things, honestly as I’ve said this before I think Belichek has held the franchise back in some ways with his arrogance and god complex, he will get rid of a HOF player if he gets annoyed with that player even just a little. Moss and Gronk are by far the best receivers Brady has ever had, Moss was not a Patriot for too long, Gronk is a beast but he has won without him many times. At the end of the day Belichek can’t pin point those passes for Brady nor read the Defense for him or physically lead the team back from down 25 points in a Super Bowl with less than 2 Quarters remaining. Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this.
<<< Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this. >>>
@perkdog said:
Steve, You want to talk success between Brady and Montana let’s leave the Coaching out of it, Belichek or Bill Walsh they both are/were geniuses, Bill Walsh was an absolute pioneer of genius coaching. Want to talk supporting cast? Montana had it way better and everyone knows that, on both sides of the ball he had numerous great players. Brady? He gets new receivers every few years and suspect defenses to back him up and he has brought the Pats to 8 Super Bowls in 18 years, playoffs every year and how many AFC championship games? Give Brady Jerry Rice for 12 + years and his numbers would be even better.
Those are some good points.
But you have to agree that a guy like Rob Gronkowski isn't exactly chopped liver.
Belichick just has that incredible way of not only terrific game planning, but saying the right things at the right time in the right way to the particular player to get him to perform to his maximum level.
i recall the line from Herb Brooks when he was assembling that famous 1980 Olympics US hockey team that beat the Soviets. He said (paraphrase) "I'm not looking for the best players, i'm looking for the right ones"
I think a lot of coaches out there fail when they solely look for talent, and basically ignore character.
Of course talent is important, but character is important as well, and Belichick just seems to have the knack of finding those players and inserting them into his team. And when they are worn out and no longer have the right character, the right attitude, to play the brutal game of football, he finds new ones.
So when you state or imply that Brady didn't have the greatest cast of supporting players around him, i have to disagree with that. Yes, it wasn't the same number of career Hall of Fame players like Montana had, but the way Belichick does it, for the time they play for him, they play like Hall of Fame caliber players for the time they are on his team. And when they don't respond to his coaching any longer, could be after only a year or two, then they are gone.
So while it can be stated that Brady didn't have the most talented players around him, he did have the right players around him, and that has to be factored in to Brady's success.
I will buy into that to a point, But having HOF players around you and having the “Right” players around you are two different things, honestly as I’ve said this before I think Belichek has held the franchise back in some ways with his arrogance and god complex, he will get rid of a HOF player if he gets annoyed with that player even just a little. Moss and Gronk are by far the best receivers Brady has ever had, Moss was not a Patriot for too long, Gronk is a beast but he has won without him many times. At the end of the day Belichek can’t pin point those passes for Brady nor read the Defense for him or physically lead the team back from down 25 points in a Super Bowl with less than 2 Quarters remaining. Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this.
<<< Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this. >>>
Excerpt from Tom Brady interview:
By Nicole Yang May 1, 2018
Brady maintained he has a “great” and “respectful” relationship with Belichick, who has been his only coach over the course of his 19 years in the NFL. Brady acknowledged Belichick’s management style doesn’t make him “the easiest coach to play for,” but said he still believes the 66-year-old is best coach in the history of the league for a variety of reasons.
“He’s been an incredible mentor for me,” Brady said. “He’s taught me so much football . . . I wouldn’t be sitting here without his coaching. I wouldn’t have the success without how incredibly talented he was.”
Brady pinpointed Belichick’s consistently critical eye, which was reportedly a source of tension, as an major contributing factor to New England’s prolonged success.
Despite the frequent blowout wins during the Patriots’ 18-1 season in 2007, Brady said Belichick would have plenty of critiques the following day: “We sucked on defense. We can’t cover a kick. We’re four of eight on third down. What a joke.”
“We always used to walk out of the meeting saying, ‘Humble pie was served,'” Brady said. “It was a very grounding experience for all of us. If you do listen to your wife, your girlfriend, or your family, they’re not giving you the truth. They don’t know why you’re winning or losing. But you need people to critically evaluate why good things or bad things are happening.”
“Even if you win, you aren’t doing everything perfect. When you lose, you aren’t doing everything wrong. There’s always a middle ground.”
Ok longest Quote in CU history lol. Steve, rule #1 buddy, people getting interviewed LIE, what do you think Brady will say when asked about his CURRENT coach? That he has no bearing on how well he and the team has done? Ofcourse not! Absolutely he is going to give his coach the props and say those things lol. You know better than that Steve, it’s like being at the poker table, things are not always what they seem when guys open their mouth lol
Sorry Paul, rule #1 not applicable in this case.
Brady has no reason at all to lie about Belichick at this point in his career. Brady is rich, famous, has a nice family, and if he didn't believe in his heart what he stated about Belichick, he simply wouldn't have stated it.
@perkdog said:
Steve, You want to talk success between Brady and Montana let’s leave the Coaching out of it, Belichek or Bill Walsh they both are/were geniuses, Bill Walsh was an absolute pioneer of genius coaching. Want to talk supporting cast? Montana had it way better and everyone knows that, on both sides of the ball he had numerous great players. Brady? He gets new receivers every few years and suspect defenses to back him up and he has brought the Pats to 8 Super Bowls in 18 years, playoffs every year and how many AFC championship games? Give Brady Jerry Rice for 12 + years and his numbers would be even better.
Those are some good points.
But you have to agree that a guy like Rob Gronkowski isn't exactly chopped liver.
Belichick just has that incredible way of not only terrific game planning, but saying the right things at the right time in the right way to the particular player to get him to perform to his maximum level.
i recall the line from Herb Brooks when he was assembling that famous 1980 Olympics US hockey team that beat the Soviets. He said (paraphrase) "I'm not looking for the best players, i'm looking for the right ones"
I think a lot of coaches out there fail when they solely look for talent, and basically ignore character.
Of course talent is important, but character is important as well, and Belichick just seems to have the knack of finding those players and inserting them into his team. And when they are worn out and no longer have the right character, the right attitude, to play the brutal game of football, he finds new ones.
So when you state or imply that Brady didn't have the greatest cast of supporting players around him, i have to disagree with that. Yes, it wasn't the same number of career Hall of Fame players like Montana had, but the way Belichick does it, for the time they play for him, they play like Hall of Fame caliber players for the time they are on his team. And when they don't respond to his coaching any longer, could be after only a year or two, then they are gone.
So while it can be stated that Brady didn't have the most talented players around him, he did have the right players around him, and that has to be factored in to Brady's success.
I will buy into that to a point, But having HOF players around you and having the “Right” players around you are two different things, honestly as I’ve said this before I think Belichek has held the franchise back in some ways with his arrogance and god complex, he will get rid of a HOF player if he gets annoyed with that player even just a little. Moss and Gronk are by far the best receivers Brady has ever had, Moss was not a Patriot for too long, Gronk is a beast but he has won without him many times. At the end of the day Belichek can’t pin point those passes for Brady nor read the Defense for him or physically lead the team back from down 25 points in a Super Bowl with less than 2 Quarters remaining. Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this.
<<< Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this. >>>
@perkdog said:
Steve, You want to talk success between Brady and Montana let’s leave the Coaching out of it, Belichek or Bill Walsh they both are/were geniuses, Bill Walsh was an absolute pioneer of genius coaching. Want to talk supporting cast? Montana had it way better and everyone knows that, on both sides of the ball he had numerous great players. Brady? He gets new receivers every few years and suspect defenses to back him up and he has brought the Pats to 8 Super Bowls in 18 years, playoffs every year and how many AFC championship games? Give Brady Jerry Rice for 12 + years and his numbers would be even better.
Those are some good points.
But you have to agree that a guy like Rob Gronkowski isn't exactly chopped liver.
Belichick just has that incredible way of not only terrific game planning, but saying the right things at the right time in the right way to the particular player to get him to perform to his maximum level.
i recall the line from Herb Brooks when he was assembling that famous 1980 Olympics US hockey team that beat the Soviets. He said (paraphrase) "I'm not looking for the best players, i'm looking for the right ones"
I think a lot of coaches out there fail when they solely look for talent, and basically ignore character.
Of course talent is important, but character is important as well, and Belichick just seems to have the knack of finding those players and inserting them into his team. And when they are worn out and no longer have the right character, the right attitude, to play the brutal game of football, he finds new ones.
So when you state or imply that Brady didn't have the greatest cast of supporting players around him, i have to disagree with that. Yes, it wasn't the same number of career Hall of Fame players like Montana had, but the way Belichick does it, for the time they play for him, they play like Hall of Fame caliber players for the time they are on his team. And when they don't respond to his coaching any longer, could be after only a year or two, then they are gone.
So while it can be stated that Brady didn't have the most talented players around him, he did have the right players around him, and that has to be factored in to Brady's success.
I will buy into that to a point, But having HOF players around you and having the “Right” players around you are two different things, honestly as I’ve said this before I think Belichek has held the franchise back in some ways with his arrogance and god complex, he will get rid of a HOF player if he gets annoyed with that player even just a little. Moss and Gronk are by far the best receivers Brady has ever had, Moss was not a Patriot for too long, Gronk is a beast but he has won without him many times. At the end of the day Belichek can’t pin point those passes for Brady nor read the Defense for him or physically lead the team back from down 25 points in a Super Bowl with less than 2 Quarters remaining. Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this.
<<< Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this. >>>
Excerpt from Tom Brady interview:
By Nicole Yang May 1, 2018
Brady maintained he has a “great” and “respectful” relationship with Belichick, who has been his only coach over the course of his 19 years in the NFL. Brady acknowledged Belichick’s management style doesn’t make him “the easiest coach to play for,” but said he still believes the 66-year-old is best coach in the history of the league for a variety of reasons.
“He’s been an incredible mentor for me,” Brady said. “He’s taught me so much football . . . I wouldn’t be sitting here without his coaching. I wouldn’t have the success without how incredibly talented he was.”
Brady pinpointed Belichick’s consistently critical eye, which was reportedly a source of tension, as an major contributing factor to New England’s prolonged success.
Despite the frequent blowout wins during the Patriots’ 18-1 season in 2007, Brady said Belichick would have plenty of critiques the following day: “We sucked on defense. We can’t cover a kick. We’re four of eight on third down. What a joke.”
“We always used to walk out of the meeting saying, ‘Humble pie was served,'” Brady said. “It was a very grounding experience for all of us. If you do listen to your wife, your girlfriend, or your family, they’re not giving you the truth. They don’t know why you’re winning or losing. But you need people to critically evaluate why good things or bad things are happening.”
“Even if you win, you aren’t doing everything perfect. When you lose, you aren’t doing everything wrong. There’s always a middle ground.”
That is Brady being humble,he says the same things about his teammates. You won't see or hear Belichick ever give that type of praise for Brady or any active player.
This is one of those situations where if you haven't watched Brady every week you just won't get it. People watched that Falcons SB comeback and were then like "now he's the GOAT" when he's been doing stuff like that for years.
Their success doesn't get to the point it has without the other guy but if we could go back to 2001 then choose one or the other,it's Brady all day.
Point understood Eric, but i'll post a paragraph from that Brady quote:
“He’s been an incredible mentor for me,” Brady said. “He’s taught me so much football . . . I wouldn’t be sitting here without his coaching. I wouldn’t have the success without how incredibly talented he was.”
There's no way that Brady is not saying this from his heart. Brady could have praised Belichick any number of ways without extraordinarily outstanding praise such as this. This highest of praise is as good as it gets, and Belichick deserves it.
Belichick or Brady if at the time the choice in 2001...are you kidding...without batting an eye i'm choosing Belichick...and looking back, i'm still choosing Belichick...and looking forward i'm still choosing Belichick.
If Doug Peterson isn't the Eagles head coach, and I can choose a coach, i'm choosing Belichick.
Belichick is the GOAT who placed Tom Brady in consideration to be a GOAT, and i'm 100% sure that Brady would completely agree. Why? Because Brady basically already did state that in the bolded quote.
This really just comes down to choice. I'm arguing it when there isn't a need to,NE already has both guys so its a win-win for us Pats fans. I'm gonna bow out of this one now.
Chuck Bednaric without a doubt. The guy played for well over a decade and played both ways on the 1960 championship team. He was also a big Eagle’s booster after he retired. Today these guys race where the money is with no team loyalty.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Chuck Bednaric without a doubt. The guy played for well over a decade and played both ways on the 1960 championship team. He was also a big Eagle’s booster after he retired. Today these guys race where the money is with no team loyalty.
I was curious and just looked up various rankings of greatest Eagles ever. Bednarik fares well as expected. Usually comes up #3 though #5. White, McNabb and Dawkins seem to come up #1 though #3 a lot. No real consensus.
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
No one has posted this yet so i'll do it. Its a list of Eagles players in the HOF
Alex Wojciechowicz (1946-1950)
Art Monk (1995)
Bert Bell (1933-1940)
Bill Hewitt (1937-1939)
Bob (Boomer) Brown (1964-1968)
Brian Dawkins (1996-2008)
Chuck Bednarik (1949-1962)
Claude Humphrey (1979-1981)
Cris Carter (1987-89)
Earle (Greasy) Neale (1941-1950)
James Lofton (1993)
Jim Ringo (1964-1967)
Mike Ditka (1967-1968)
Norm Van Brocklin (1958-1960)
Ollie Matson (1964-1966)
Pete Pihos (1947-1955)
Reggie White (1985-1992)
Richard Dent (1997)
Sonny Jurgensen (1957-1963)
Steve Van Buren (1944-1951)
Terrell Owens (2004-05)
Tommy McDonald (1957-1963)
Chuck Bednaric without a doubt. The guy played for well over a decade and played both ways on the 1960 championship team. He was also a big Eagle’s booster after he retired. Today these guys race where the money is with no team loyalty.
I was curious and just looked up various rankings of greatest Eagles ever. Bednarik fares well as expected. Usually comes up #3 though #5. White, McNabb and Dawkins seem to come up #1 though #3 a lot. No real consensus.
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Those who score touchdowns get more glory. The guys who work in the trenches get less notice.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Chuck Bednaric without a doubt. The guy played for well over a decade and played both ways on the 1960 championship team. He was also a big Eagle’s booster after he retired. Today these guys race where the money is with no team loyalty.
I was curious and just looked up various rankings of greatest Eagles ever. Bednarik fares well as expected. Usually comes up #3 though #5. White, McNabb and Dawkins seem to come up #1 though #3 a lot. No real consensus.
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Those who score touchdowns get more glory. The guys who work in the trenches get less notice.
Reggie White?
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@erikthredd said:
No one has posted this yet so i'll do it. Its a list of Eagles players in the HOF
Alex Wojciechowicz (1946-1950)
Art Monk (1995)
Bert Bell (1933-1940)
Bill Hewitt (1937-1939)
Bob (Boomer) Brown (1964-1968)
Brian Dawkins (1996-2008)
Chuck Bednarik (1949-1962)
Claude Humphrey (1979-1981)
Cris Carter (1987-89)
Earle (Greasy) Neale (1941-1950)
James Lofton (1993)
Jim Ringo (1964-1967)
Mike Ditka (1967-1968)
Norm Van Brocklin (1958-1960)
Ollie Matson (1964-1966)
Pete Pihos (1947-1955)
Reggie White (1985-1992)
Richard Dent (1997)
Sonny Jurgensen (1957-1963)
Steve Van Buren (1944-1951)
Terrell Owens (2004-05)
Tommy McDonald (1957-1963)
I could also live with that. The same poll had White at #2 and Bednarik at #3
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@erikthredd said:
Lesean McCoy has the most career rushing yards in Eagles history and he wasn't even worth mentioning yesterday lol.
No Shady but Earle “Greasy” Neale made the list. Great nickname
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Lesean McCoy has the most career rushing yards in Eagles history and he wasn't even worth mentioning yesterday lol.
No Shady but Earle “Greasy” Neale made the list. Great nickname
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Alot of these Eagles players were playing either before my time or before I started really following the NFL in 84-85. I would actually take Bryan Westbrook at RB before MCcoy.
I was just looking thru some of the Eagles team records here and seeing some names I forgot ever playing for Philly like Herschel Walker & Duce Staley. http://media.philadelphiaeagles.com/record-book/individual-records.aspx
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@erikthredd said:
This really just comes down to choice. I'm arguing it when there isn't a need to,NE already has both guys so its a win-win for us Pats fans. I'm gonna bow out of this one now.
Eric - you are so right about that, and so fortunate to have those two combined together for so long...and of course it's STILL going.
It's a once in a generation, perhaps once in a lifetime pairing considering the remarkable success they have had.
That is unless the Pederson-Wentz pairing surpasses it.
@perkdog said:
I didn’t realize McNabb had such a fan base. Oh and Steve, deep down I know you don’t believe what you posted about that coming from Brady’s heart lol
Hey, Brady made the comments about Belichick not me. You wish to say that Brady is lying, you go right ahead. I happen to believe every word Brady stated about Belichick.
And please don't compare deflategate as a case where Brady was possibly not being totally forthright so that could illustrate that Brady does lie. That is a totally different circumstance.
Whether or not Brady was being totally honest about deflategate, i have my doubts. Frankly, i feel that deflategate was much ado about nothing. To tell it like it is...I strongly believe that deflategate becoming a news story had more to do than football, mainly pushed by the Brady-Belichick haters who despise them for their viewpoints outside of football.
Not sure why your even bothering mentioning deflategate? I never mentioned that and for the record I’ve stated multiple times during your absenteeism that it was a total sham by Goodell and should have been a non issue as other teams and QB’s did the same thing. Now that I brought you up to speed on that nonsense let me State I don’t know Brady personally so I don’t know if he is a liar or not but regardless he has never been one to pat himself on the back and always refers to the “Team” after wins- Super Bowl wins included. All us In NE know that to be an old fashioned case closed non debatable fact. Say what you want Brady is the best QB ever no matter what category you want to pick from.
@Justacommeman said:
Harold Carmichael was my favorite Eagle
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Yes, he was an outstanding receiver. At one time he held the record for the most consecutive games in which a player scored a touchdown.
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Not sure why your even bothering mentioning deflategate? I never mentioned that and for the record I’ve stated multiple times during your absenteeism that it was a total sham by Goodell and should have been a non issue as other teams and QB’s did the same thing. Now that I brought you up to speed on that nonsense let me State I don’t know Brady personally so I don’t know if he is a liar or not but regardless he has never been one to pat himself on the back and always refers to the “Team” after wins- Super Bowl wins included. All us In NE know that to be an old fashioned case closed non debatable fact. Say what you want Brady is the best QB ever no matter what category you want to pick from.
Brady could be considered to be the Emmitt Smith of quarterbacks. That's a compliment, but not in regards to being GOAT.
@1970s said:
I think a good debate would be who was the greatest QB's of all time who did not have a good supporting cast. I believe there is a clear cut winner in that category, and it's Drew Brees. I think the guy is #2 in all time pass percentage leaders, and his teams have always been average at best. Plus, his physical attributes are not in the upper echelon. The guy has just been the most undecorated, unsung QB of the NFL for this and many other decades.
I know Brees had WR Marques Colston who had more career receptions,receiving yards & TDs than any WR's totals from playing with Brady. Gronk has more TDs than Colston but no other Patriot can match his receptions & receiving yards.
The same can be said for RB Mark Ingram's rushing yards & rushing tds. Brees hasn't had a Jerry Rice/Rob Gronkowski GOAT-type of offensive weapon but there have been plenty of really good offensive players that played with Brees.
New Orleans has had some very good players around Brees. I didn't include Thomas & Cooks for NO's and Troy Brown & Randy Moss for NE. Brown played multiple years before Brady and Moss didn't have totals passing the 4 I listed outside of TDs.
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Curse you Tim! I’ve been saving the fumble stat for future debates!
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<<< We might never see a similar run in the NFL ever again. >>>
Doug Pederson and Carson Wentz?
But i fully realize how tough it's going to be for Wentz to do that with an ACL tear.
I'll enjoy it while it lasts with Wentz. Then we shall see if Pederson is good enough to find another QB with enough talent to be able to be coached up to a Super Bowl winning level. At this point in time, I do believe that Pederson is capable of doing that.
Although i don't think that despite his amazing performance in the Super Bowl, that Nick Foles is capable of performing in a grueling 16 game season, and then winning at least three more games. I've stated before I think that being a fresh QB, greatly helped Foles in the playoffs and Super Bowl. I'd like to see Pederson mix in Foles more during the upcoming regular season, to help keep Wentz fresh and lessen the chance of another injury, and I think Pederson will somehow do just that.
If ten years from now the Eagles have wrapped up a number of Super Bowl championships with the Wentz/Foles combination, that would be fine with me. It wouldn't lessen any pleasure I would get from that, versus Wentz winning the rest of the Super Bowls by himself.
So perhaps Doug Pederson and Carson Wentz/Nick Foles may one day surpass the Belichick/Brady success record? Wishful thinking? Of course it is but what's wrong with that? Especially for a long suffering Eagles fan...or should I say a "previously" long suffering Eagles fan.
Quite impressive his field awareness and the way he made use of his blockers. I've never seen it done better than that.
Those are some good points.
But you have to agree that a guy like Rob Gronkowski isn't exactly chopped liver.
Belichick just has that incredible way of not only terrific game planning, but saying the right things at the right time in the right way to the particular player to get him to perform to his maximum level.
i recall the line from Herb Brooks when he was assembling that famous 1980 Olympics US hockey team that beat the Soviets. He said (paraphrase) "I'm not looking for the best players, i'm looking for the right ones"
I think a lot of coaches out there fail when they solely look for talent, and basically ignore character.
Of course talent is important, but character is important as well, and Belichick just seems to have the knack of finding those players and inserting them into his team. And when they are worn out and no longer have the right character, the right attitude, to play the brutal game of football, he finds new ones.
So when you state or imply that Brady didn't have the greatest cast of supporting players around him, i have to disagree with that. Yes, it wasn't the same number of career Hall of Fame players like Montana had, but the way Belichick does it, for the time they play for him, they play like Hall of Fame caliber players for the time they are on his team. And when they don't respond to his coaching any longer, could be after only a year or two, then they are gone.
So while it can be stated that Brady didn't have the most talented players around him, he did have the right players around him, and that has to be factored in to Brady's success.
The "Great" Jim Brown played before replay. What percent of fumbles are overturned after replay? 10%?, 20%, 50%? Anyone who would take the "extremely good" Sanders over Brown obviously knows little about football. Checkmate!
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Right and what percentage of Browns plays did he step out of bounds during a sideline run or actually have a knee down during a broken tackle and the refs didn’t see or chose to ignore it because it was Jim Brown?
I will buy into that to a point, But having HOF players around you and having the “Right” players around you are two different things, honestly as I’ve said this before I think Belichek has held the franchise back in some ways with his arrogance and god complex, he will get rid of a HOF player if he gets annoyed with that player even just a little. Moss and Gronk are by far the best receivers Brady has ever had, Moss was not a Patriot for too long, Gronk is a beast but he has won without him many times. At the end of the day Belichek can’t pin point those passes for Brady nor read the Defense for him or physically lead the team back from down 25 points in a Super Bowl with less than 2 Quarters remaining. Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this.
I would still take Smith in this situation due to the tackle for loss with Sanders. Plus I just like Smith better and he has the record for total yards and TD's. And Brown has the YPC record.
Sanders has nothing but your undying loyalty!
Boy Steve.....you win 1 Super Bowl and you want to put your Eagles up there with the dynasties of the Cowboys, Steelers and Pats!
Come on man.
Steve you take homerism to a whole new level. Wentz & Pederson have a very long way to go before they finish anywhere near Brady &Belichik's 8 SB trips,5 SB wins and 15 division titles in 17 seasons. Wentz has looked good but let's see him make the playoffs with a #1 seed schedule while every team is gunning for the defending SB champ.
I will say this though,there are some similarities between that Eagles team and the 2001 Patriots: both had a coach in his second season with team that had a losing record the year before,both teams lost their starting QB to injury and both went on to win the SB with their backup QB.
Those are the only comparisons I'm willing to make until we see Philly be able to do it again and again
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We do stuff like this pretty much in every thread you might come across in the Sports Talk so don't read into it to much. I don't think anyone cares over here when a thread gets hijacked we just go with it.
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The idea that Emmitt Smith should be considered among the best running backs of all-time is suspect. Smith and Sanders were not in the same league. Put Sanders on those Cowboys teams and see what happens.
Smith is not a top 10 RB. He is maybe 75% of Eric Dickerson. Maybe. In their respective primes, Terrell Davis was a better RB. This list could go on for quite some time. If you control for the talent of the surrounding team, you might get a good match with Curtis Martin.
He was a good compiler, but I don't like compilers (if you couldn't tell).
Haven't read the whole thread, but I thought of Brian Westbrook as the answer to the original question. Probably McNabb, though.
I forgot about Brian Westbrook, great Eagle for sure!
Brian Dawkins too.
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<<< Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this. >>>
<<< Brady is the number 1 component and Belichek is #2. Kraft knows this and Pats fans know this. >>>
Let's officially close this case right now:
https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2018/05/01/tom-brady-malcolm-butler-bill-belichick
Excerpt from Tom Brady interview:
By Nicole Yang May 1, 2018
Brady maintained he has a “great” and “respectful” relationship with Belichick, who has been his only coach over the course of his 19 years in the NFL. Brady acknowledged Belichick’s management style doesn’t make him “the easiest coach to play for,” but said he still believes the 66-year-old is best coach in the history of the league for a variety of reasons.
“He’s been an incredible mentor for me,” Brady said. “He’s taught me so much football . . . I wouldn’t be sitting here without his coaching. I wouldn’t have the success without how incredibly talented he was.”
Brady pinpointed Belichick’s consistently critical eye, which was reportedly a source of tension, as an major contributing factor to New England’s prolonged success.
Despite the frequent blowout wins during the Patriots’ 18-1 season in 2007, Brady said Belichick would have plenty of critiques the following day: “We sucked on defense. We can’t cover a kick. We’re four of eight on third down. What a joke.”
“We always used to walk out of the meeting saying, ‘Humble pie was served,'” Brady said. “It was a very grounding experience for all of us. If you do listen to your wife, your girlfriend, or your family, they’re not giving you the truth. They don’t know why you’re winning or losing. But you need people to critically evaluate why good things or bad things are happening.”
“Even if you win, you aren’t doing everything perfect. When you lose, you aren’t doing everything wrong. There’s always a middle ground.”
I agree with ya!
Go Eagles!!!!!
Emmitt Smith in football always reminded me a bit of Hank Aaron in baseball. Both excellent first ballot HOF players, both solid and consistent with long professional careers that led to a number of records.
Sorry but despite all that, they aren't GOAT.
Smith is closer to a GOAT than Aaron, but nevertheless, not a GOAT.
I believe they were reviewing plays in the early to mid 80's. The coaches challenge was added to it years later.
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Ok longest Quote in CU history lol. Steve, rule #1 buddy, people getting interviewed LIE, what do you think Brady will say when asked about his CURRENT coach? That he has no bearing on how well he and the team has done? Ofcourse not! Absolutely he is going to give his coach the props and say those things lol. You know better than that Steve, it’s like being at the poker table, things are not always what they seem when guys open their mouth lol
That is Brady being humble,he says the same things about his teammates. You won't see or hear Belichick ever give that type of praise for Brady or any active player.
This is one of those situations where if you haven't watched Brady every week you just won't get it. People watched that Falcons SB comeback and were then like "now he's the GOAT" when he's been doing stuff like that for years.
Their success doesn't get to the point it has without the other guy but if we could go back to 2001 then choose one or the other,it's Brady all day.
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Sorry Paul, rule #1 not applicable in this case.
Brady has no reason at all to lie about Belichick at this point in his career. Brady is rich, famous, has a nice family, and if he didn't believe in his heart what he stated about Belichick, he simply wouldn't have stated it.
Point understood Eric, but i'll post a paragraph from that Brady quote:
“He’s been an incredible mentor for me,” Brady said. “He’s taught me so much football . . . I wouldn’t be sitting here without his coaching. I wouldn’t have the success without how incredibly talented he was.”
There's no way that Brady is not saying this from his heart. Brady could have praised Belichick any number of ways without extraordinarily outstanding praise such as this. This highest of praise is as good as it gets, and Belichick deserves it.
Belichick or Brady if at the time the choice in 2001...are you kidding...without batting an eye i'm choosing Belichick...and looking back, i'm still choosing Belichick...and looking forward i'm still choosing Belichick.
If Doug Peterson isn't the Eagles head coach, and I can choose a coach, i'm choosing Belichick.
Belichick is the GOAT who placed Tom Brady in consideration to be a GOAT, and i'm 100% sure that Brady would completely agree. Why? Because Brady basically already did state that in the bolded quote.
This really just comes down to choice. I'm arguing it when there isn't a need to,NE already has both guys so its a win-win for us Pats fans. I'm gonna bow out of this one now.
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Greatest Philadelphia Eagle?
Chuck Bednaric without a doubt. The guy played for well over a decade and played both ways on the 1960 championship team. He was also a big Eagle’s booster after he retired. Today these guys race where the money is with no team loyalty.
I was curious and just looked up various rankings of greatest Eagles ever. Bednarik fares well as expected. Usually comes up #3 though #5. White, McNabb and Dawkins seem to come up #1 though #3 a lot. No real consensus.
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No one has posted this yet so i'll do it. Its a list of Eagles players in the HOF
Alex Wojciechowicz (1946-1950)
Art Monk (1995)
Bert Bell (1933-1940)
Bill Hewitt (1937-1939)
Bob (Boomer) Brown (1964-1968)
Brian Dawkins (1996-2008)
Chuck Bednarik (1949-1962)
Claude Humphrey (1979-1981)
Cris Carter (1987-89)
Earle (Greasy) Neale (1941-1950)
James Lofton (1993)
Jim Ringo (1964-1967)
Mike Ditka (1967-1968)
Norm Van Brocklin (1958-1960)
Ollie Matson (1964-1966)
Pete Pihos (1947-1955)
Reggie White (1985-1992)
Richard Dent (1997)
Sonny Jurgensen (1957-1963)
Steve Van Buren (1944-1951)
Terrell Owens (2004-05)
Tommy McDonald (1957-1963)
Also here is someone's top 10 Eagles list that has Steve Van Buren #1
https://247sports.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/ContentGallery/The-10-greatest-players-in-Philadelphia-Eagles-history-118128711/#118128711_10
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Those who score touchdowns get more glory. The guys who work in the trenches get less notice.
I didn’t realize McNabb had such a fan base. Oh and Steve, deep down I know you don’t believe what you posted about that coming from Brady’s heart lol
Reggie White?
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I could also live with that. The same poll had White at #2 and Bednarik at #3
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Lesean McCoy has the most career rushing yards in Eagles history and he wasn't even worth mentioning yesterday lol.
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No Shady but Earle “Greasy” Neale made the list. Great nickname
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Alot of these Eagles players were playing either before my time or before I started really following the NFL in 84-85. I would actually take Bryan Westbrook at RB before MCcoy.
I was just looking thru some of the Eagles team records here and seeing some names I forgot ever playing for Philly like Herschel Walker & Duce Staley.
http://media.philadelphiaeagles.com/record-book/individual-records.aspx
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Harold Carmichael was my favorite Eagle
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Eric - you are so right about that, and so fortunate to have those two combined together for so long...and of course it's STILL going.
It's a once in a generation, perhaps once in a lifetime pairing considering the remarkable success they have had.
That is unless the Pederson-Wentz pairing surpasses it.
Hey, Brady made the comments about Belichick not me. You wish to say that Brady is lying, you go right ahead. I happen to believe every word Brady stated about Belichick.
And please don't compare deflategate as a case where Brady was possibly not being totally forthright so that could illustrate that Brady does lie. That is a totally different circumstance.
Whether or not Brady was being totally honest about deflategate, i have my doubts. Frankly, i feel that deflategate was much ado about nothing. To tell it like it is...I strongly believe that deflategate becoming a news story had more to do than football, mainly pushed by the Brady-Belichick haters who despise them for their viewpoints outside of football.
Not sure why your even bothering mentioning deflategate? I never mentioned that and for the record I’ve stated multiple times during your absenteeism that it was a total sham by Goodell and should have been a non issue as other teams and QB’s did the same thing. Now that I brought you up to speed on that nonsense let me State I don’t know Brady personally so I don’t know if he is a liar or not but regardless he has never been one to pat himself on the back and always refers to the “Team” after wins- Super Bowl wins included. All us In NE know that to be an old fashioned case closed non debatable fact. Say what you want Brady is the best QB ever no matter what category you want to pick from.
Yes, he was an outstanding receiver. At one time he held the record for the most consecutive games in which a player scored a touchdown.
Brady could be considered to be the Emmitt Smith of quarterbacks. That's a compliment, but not in regards to being GOAT.
I know Brees had WR Marques Colston who had more career receptions,receiving yards & TDs than any WR's totals from playing with Brady. Gronk has more TDs than Colston but no other Patriot can match his receptions & receiving yards.
The same can be said for RB Mark Ingram's rushing yards & rushing tds. Brees hasn't had a Jerry Rice/Rob Gronkowski GOAT-type of offensive weapon but there have been plenty of really good offensive players that played with Brees.
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Rushing
Saints
Mark Ingram 5362 rushing yards 44tds
Pierre Thomas 3745 rushing yards 28tds
Reggie Bush 2090 rushing yards 17tds
Patriots
Kevin Faulk 3607 rushing yards 16tds
Corey Dillon 3180 rushing yards 37tds
LeGarrette Blount 2917 rushing yards 34yds
Receiving
Saints
Marques Colston 711/9759/72
Jimmy Graham 386/4752/51
Lance Moore 346/4281/38
Devery Henderson 245/4377/20
Patriots
Wes Welker 672/7459/37
Rob Gronkowski 474/7179/76
Julian Edelman 425/4540/25
Deion Branch 328/4297/24
New Orleans has had some very good players around Brees. I didn't include Thomas & Cooks for NO's and Troy Brown & Randy Moss for NE. Brown played multiple years before Brady and Moss didn't have totals passing the 4 I listed outside of TDs.
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Joe Horn was pretty good too
It's not debatable, the fans have spoken: https://www.thetoptens.com/philadelphia-eagles-players/
I saw Kevin Allen on the list. That's funny, one of the worst NFL draft picks in history.
Of course it wasn't funny at the time.