No White House trip for the World Champ Eagles..
Coinstartled
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...but I am sure that they will be consoled with a nice ring with plenty of gemstones.
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Maybe so, but...I think Trump did the right thing.
With the new "rule", I suspect NFL ratings will continue to decline. The $40 million+ per year Commissioner wasted too much time before responding to this sad issue. I, for one, have pretty much lost interst in anything NFL, with the possible exception of an occasional Patriots game.
as a tax payer I don't want to pay for any off this BS . Put a stop to all that garbage
Actually regarding Trump's decision, I think this has mostly to do with the Eagles owner Jeff Lurie.
Trump and Lurie are diametrically opposed to many of today's issues out there. In my opinion, behind the scenes, Lurie likely encouraged his players NOT to attend the White House...so then President Trump came down with the hammer.
It's a shame because there are a lot of good patriotic football players on this Eagles team, including Carson Wentz, Nick Foles and a number of others who really would have enjoyed celebrating with our great president at the White House.
Yea...and years from now when they retire, and some of them go broke from various bad habits and poor decisions, they can take the ring to Pawn Stars and get some nice quick cash for it.
17G's seems to be the going rate.
I have been an Eagles fan since I was 11. Today I am ashamed of their actions. Trump might have held the event to show up the dissidents, but I've heard than only the owner and a couple players were going to attend. It has also been said they offered to come next week when the president would be out of town. How dishonest!
Leave it politics to take the fun out of sports.
I wonder how many players on title teams that visited the White House during the Obama, Bush 2, Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman and Roosevelt presidencies were opposed (politically and/or personally) to the sitting president?
Probably a substantial number of them.
Out of the number of players opposed to the sitting president, how many of them declined to visit the White House?
Probably very few.
What is it about the current president (besides the fact that he has no ability to, or chooses not to, self regulate and as a result says/tweets things that are not PC) which causes individual players and entire teams to refuse to visit the White House or who are disinvited?????
It is fascinating that the current president, prior to him running for office, was viewed as "one of the in crowd" by many of the same individuals/groups/organizations that currently would like nothing better than to see him impeached, imprisoned and/or deceased.
What is the reason for this?
Is it because he is not a career politician, not beholden to either major political party and/or career civil servants and thus difficult or impossible to control?
Yes thats my thought.
Sanction, as with any other decent attorney, you knew the answer before you posed it.
I suspect that the NHL champs will be grateful guests of the president.
Personally I love the fact that the Eagles were going to send a small delegation. Good for them. Why send players that have outright contempt for him? It’s disingenuous. Honesty is the best policy.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Who cares, really? The Super Bowl championship isn't any less special without the forced fanfare of a trip to the WH.
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Coinstartled.
I do not know the answers to my questions, but after taking breaths for 6+ decades, watching, listening, having discussions, working, getting married, having kids, paying the bills, etc. one has developed a perspective on things.
That perspective is grounded in reality.
That reality is flavored by a healthy dose of understanding human needs, wants and desires.
Human needs, wants and desires are shaped/influenced by a person's life experiences.
One need, want or desire is power and authority over others. Those who need, want or desire power and authority over others, upon obtaining same, will seek to maintain it and expand it. These persons will also fight a never ending battle to prevent a loss of power and authority.
In American politics, the limits on power and authority set by the founding documents (three co-equal branches of government; check and balances, regular elections for presidential and congressional seats; a "limited" federal government [that has been a joke for over 80 years!!!!!!]; states rights; bill of rights; etc.) helps create and maintain a stable and prosperous society that can withstand the winds of change. However, power and authority are power and authority. Folks who have it do not like folks who threaten those who have it. Such it is with the current president.
It is actually fun to watch the drama play out on a second by second basis [as long as the viewer can turn it off whenever he or she wants to preserve his or her sanity].
Stevek, I would say all the football players on the Eagles team are patriotic. I don't remember you criticizing players that refused to go to the White House when Obama was president. Funny how perceptions change when the guy you like is in charge.
The current president seeks to divide America; individual players and teams can see that and respond accordingly. He is loathed in minority communities across this country. It will take a while to undo the damage he has done to America and our standing in the rest of the world. His brainwashed sycophants can't see it now but he is doing real harm to this country. For me the best part of his presidency is that for the next 20 years I will be able to use something Trump said/did/tweeted to counter any faux outrage from the Right.
Trump was part of the "in crowd" because he was a billionaire that gave money to politicians to buy their votes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Robb
Damn...I agreed along with Mark on a Grote post.
Must be the 107 temp here.
Times they are a changing
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
here we go
i'm just gonna put this out there because i like you guys. (well, most of you.) it's not worth it. if there is a mod with an eyeball on things here, the Get Out of Jail Free card was (in all likelihood) exhausted during Round 2 of the Kaep thread. so just in case this bad boy spirals in a similar fashion and there is some carnage, i'm going to say arrivederci in advance to every unfortunate soul and i look forward to your next incarnation.
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fergie23
How is the current president seeking to divide America?
To the extent that he seeks to have the citizens of the country become independent and self sufficient (not having to rely upon government to provide for their needs, wants and desires) it would seem to me that is a good thing. Liberty is best acquired and maintained by having citizens be independent and self sufficient.
Sports is the perfect example of this. Those who work hard at their chosen sport and become the best that they can be succeed (financially and otherwise). Same thing with music, film, art, science, business and other areas of human endeavor.
Pure trash talk here. Trump is trying to restore a nation that had been wrecked by the guy in charge the previous 8 years. Until Obama came along Carter was the worst President we have ever had! Obama beat him out for worst 10000000 fold!
The wrecking of the national a federal, state and local level (financially through irresponsible and excessive deficit spending resulting in ever increasing unpaid debt and interest payments to service the debt) has been going on for much more than the 8 years of the prior president. Bush 2 and further back signed repeated budgets with huge deficit spending. The current president is doing the same and so will his successor.
When it falls apart is anyone's guess. When it does the entire world will be hurting.
<<< Why send players that have outright contempt for him? It’s disingenuous. >>>
During the past administration, the disapproval from others against him was equally as stromg as now, perhaps even more so. It's just that the media slant being what it is, didn't report on it the way it is done now.
I heard this many times, said by the past administration, during their administration, because they knew what was going on out there...basically paraphrase, "Don't like the president, but respect the office." I actually thought that was a good idea.
So their idea was to put aside our differences in cases such as a White House celebration of winning the Super Bowl. However, those who asked us to do that before, evidently don't believe it's a good idea now. That is certainly being disingenuous to the nth degree.
Bottom line - the Eagles should have respected the office, done the right thing, and came as a team to the White House for a nice celebration. But it didn't happen, and that's that.
Sorry, but i don't believe that anyone kneeling for our national anthem and dissing our flag, should be called patriotic.
If your perspective is different, well then that's your prerogative.
The Eagles did nothing wrong. I don’t even think the Eagles had a player kneel all year. I love that we live in a country that we can express ourselves however we see fit ( without breaking the law) and that we don’t have to respect those that we don’t respect.
Buying a Chris Long Eagles jersey seems very patriotic to this American
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I just clicked agree on the Grote post.
The news just reported that there's a 100 mile wide comet about to strike the earth in ten minutes. Nice knowing you guys.
Chris Long has been on a great run since leaving the Rams with SB rings in back to back seasons,it sucked seeing him leave the Pats.
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There shouldn't be any white house visits. I sorta feel like its a relatively recent thing anyway. Put a stop to it completely. Why isn't the whitehouse visit right after the superbowl? Its friggin June who cares about football in June?
There is the whole nauseating trend of stretching football into a 12 month thing. Keeping it in the news all the time . I love football but outside of actual football season I don't have any interest in it. Whats worse as a pats fan I've had to put up with what feels like months of gibberish about Brady skipping OTA's . Like literally morning noon and night , status updates about whether Brady and Gronk are going to go to practice.
I mean the NFL idiots think people are going to watch the draft on TV its like watching paint dry. Or the combine or the preseason games or the pro bowl all garbage .
Since most aren’t Americans it’s actually kind of ironic. The Warriors and Cavs have already stated they wouldn’t attend.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
If the series ends in 4, they can all meet Rodman in Pyongyang.
Stevek, you need to get out of your Faux News bubble. Not a single Eagles player took a knee during the anthem during the entire regular season and playoffs regardless of the fake news that was broadcast by the right wing media. Where is your outrage that the right wing media used images of players kneeling to pray to enhance their anti-America propaganda? Questioning the Eagles "patriotism" in your prior post and following up with kneeling players are not patriotic simply shows your ignorance.
SanctionII, if that was what was actually happening - becoming independent and self sufficient - then you would be correct. But unfortunately that is not the case at all.
Robb
Sorry, but I'm not going off on a political discourse in this forum with you or anyone else. Suffice to say, most of what you just stated is pure BS.
BTW: Some Eagles players during the season, displayed negative behavior towards our national anthem and flag - that is fact. Read and learn more about it, and maybe you'll figure it out...then again, maybe you won't.
In before the poof!
me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Out before the poof.
I'm a democrat, but I didn't have any major problem w/ either Bush 1 or 2. I simply do not respect this president. Other than our different political views, he is just not someone I would not want my child to look up to with the name calling, lying, and total disrespect for others. And that's something I never thought I'd say about the president of the US.
Don't feel bad, I would have said the same if the Sea Hag had won!
As hard as I try I can’t find anything that Robb said that isn’t true or that I don’t agree with
Besides it was the Eagles who decided they were only sending a small delagation. The ego on Pennsylvania Ave could not handle that. I think the whole thing is a joke anyways.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
its actually pronounced C-Hag
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IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
I think it’s ignorant to not go to the White House no matter who you are or what your political beliefs are, Its been a harmless tradition for years and all of a sudden it’s becoming more trendy to disrespect the flag and the president of the US? Like him or not he is OUR president. And I feel this about Tom Brady not attending as well. I think these Athletes should move to North Korea, Syria, Iran or even Russia since they hate so much about the United States.
smart thing to do is stay away from anything to do with Washington DC. Its a festering boil on the ass of america.
Can you imagine if this would have happened years ago when players were making $100,000 or less per year, and needed the salary money to earn a living for themselves and their families? They would have privately smacked Kaepernick upside his head the first time he kneeled, for harming the league and jeopardizing their livelihood.
Now many of these players are "lifetime rich" signing a contract right out of college. After a year or two of play, most can easily afford for the NFL to take any action it wants, cut them if the NFL wishes to, and these players would still live happily ever after with plenty of money.
I say give these kneeling and fist raising players what they want, and let them live happily ever after - cut them, bar them from the league, and let's begin again to focus and have fun on NFL football, and leave politics off the playing field.
they didn't go to washington years ago. They just won and went home, everything wasn't a photo op or publicity stunt. They hit the golf course when they were done playing.
Its good that the players make more , if only to keep money from useless owners. But the whole thing is rotten and needs to be torn down. Glicker wants college kids to get paid to play sports. I say the opposite , don't pay any of them. Then the players will go get real jobs, there will be some football but the hot dogs won't cost 11 dollars and there won't be $100 jerseys and million dollar salaries and taxpayers won't be funding huge stadiums for zero return.
I never paid $11 for a hot dog. And BTW, it looks like the guy who promised a million free jerseys is off the hook. The taxpayer funding of stadiums is indeed insidious.
the stadium thing is mostly football related. Look closely at NFL football and it is a maggot infested rotting corpse of corruption. The stadium deals , , the cover ups of this huge concussion issue. The way they cover up things like Rice beating on his girlfriend because it would hurt profits , steroids and other PED's , the corruption of college football caused by its association with NFL football. Maybe its time to walk away from these scumbags and find a new favorite sport. Sunday afternoons in the autumn are a beautiful time to do things in the outdoors here in the north east. Maybe its time for me to go on football strike. I probably would have long ago if the Patriots hadn't been such a powerhouse,.
It could be , its just the general distaste I'm feeling watching the battle of brady and bellichecks massive egos playing out in this offseason.
Paying kids to play sports in college would be a societal mistake of monumental proportions for a multitude of reasons.
I just want to get back to basics, the NFL is entertaining and should be watched and enjoyed. Let’s leave it st that! All you guys that talk negatively about it just stop watching it and go hold signs or march on city hall for your agenda. And all these players that are using it for political reasons should be given one warning and after that shown the door and cut. I’m tired of all this crap surrounding the NFL.
I agree with ya!
Perhaps a very large fine with the one warning, then cut if another incident...I don't care who it is, star Eagles player or whatever.
This BS about being able to stay in the locker room during the national athem is just that - BS!
I TOTALLY agree with perkdog and stevek.......TOTALLY!!!!!
It is no longer a "college" game when revenue is in the billions and coaches are in the ten million dollar range. The player though, well he is supposed to be a loyal dedicated and uncompensated member of the Schlock U family. Sorry, but that bus left when Knute Krockne died.
college is just there to feed players into the meatgrinder of the nfl. Its like some sort of modern day colonialism.