What should I just roll over and quit like the Cavs?
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
The sad thing Is you actually seem to believe that black Americans are treated the same as white Americans in this country by the police. That is at the crux of the NFL protests. The players have been clear. You just don’t want want to hear it. I love how you know how they feel and what’s in their hearts. You simply dismiss systemic racism as unthinkable.
You actually believe that 99% of the cops are good, fair and just. You actually believe that comply means all cops will just give you a fist bump a smile and a warning. I suppose if you are white you stand a better chance of this happening.
When you only look at things from a white point of view and white experiences one might come to the same conclusion as you.
My black friends who are all law abiding citizens are terrified when they are pulled over by the police. It’s because of the color of their skin. I get a little nervous but they are downright frightened.
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Mark, I used to head to the old Bentley high school in Livonia to play pick up basketball twice a week (early 90's). About half the guys were local, other half were from Detroit. Competition was keen and never a problem over 2 or 3 years.
One day there was a problem, a bit of pushing and shoving and it escalated from there. One guy fell to the ground as another kicked him in the back.
I headed to my car but stopped when a lady yelled that one of the brawlers went to get a gun. I took an alternate route and high tailed it out of there...never to return.
A year later the news reported that a young man had been shot in the head at the same location. Fellow that shot him mistook the young man for someone else. He lived but was partially blinded and suffered paralysis.
Sadly there are many super predators on the streets.
Wait, did SteveK just lump NFL players peacefully protesting with holocaust deniers with absolutely no evidence whatsoever other than his overactive imagination? That has to be the dumbest and most inflammatory thing I've read on this board in at least a month.
Justacommeman, look up motivated reasoning and you will see what you are up against in these message board discussions. So no argument, no example, no facts, literally nothing you can say in this discussion will get them to reconsider their beliefs because those beliefs are part of their worldview or identity. What is interesting is that they are finding evidence of a difference between how motivated reasoning is used by liberals and conservatives. Suffice to say, there appears to be a reason so many conservative positions require ignoring facts inconvenient to those positions. Still a lot of debate in the psychology community about it but pretty compelling evidence suggesting liberals and conservatives really process information differently when that information is tied to their beliefs.
Just as black citizens are extremely nervous when stopped by the police I believe policemen are also a good bit apprehensive during the stop. Several complaints against the police are against black officers. Everyone is a bit afraid.
@Justacommeman said:
The sad thing Is you actually seem to believe that black Americans are treated the same as white Americans in this country by the police. That is at the crux of the NFL protests. The players have been clear. You just don’t want want to hear it. I love how you know how they feel and what’s in their hearts. You simply dismiss systemic racism as unthinkable.
You actually believe that 99% of the cops are good, fair and just. You actually believe that comply means all cops will just give you a fist bump a smile and a warning. I suppose if you are white you stand a better chance of this happening.
When you only look at things from a white point of view and white experiences one might come to the same conclusion as you.
My black friends who are all law abiding citizens are terrified when they are pulled over by the police. It’s because of the color of their skin. I get a little nervous but they are downright frightened.
mark
Mark - Your views are more relevant to the 1960's than 2018.
The only point you made that has some validity in today's world is in the inner cities, where we all know that crime is rampant. Extra measures have to be taken there by the police for their safety and for the safety of the community at large.
Particularly around any young male there who may be carrying a weapon. Especially because of the way it is in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, and many other inner cities, these young males have a propensity to use these weapons any time they see fit...against other gangs, against other competing drug dealers, and certainly against police officers, even innocent "civilians" who get in their way.
Kaepernick and the kneelers can evade these facts that I just stated, but that won't make the problems go away.
Are there sometimes problems with police? Of course there are, we all know that. Are problems with police so bad out there overall that kneeling, and disrespecting our national anthem and flag are necessary - of course not.
Focusing mainly on the police, while basically ignoring the other mentioned problems is being evasive in a terrible way...and that is precisely what Kaepernick and the kneelers are doing.
The problems in the inner cities are infinitely worse and more pressing than occasional problems with the police. Fortunately, in the past year and a half, inner city problems have taken priority to those in power, such as ridding our inner cities of the malignancy called MS-13 and other vermin that intimidate and terrorize the good people there.
Make no mistake, the vast majority of people in the inner cities are good. We as a society need to do what it takes to ensure these good people have a safe community, job opportunities, and proper schools to help elevate them out of poverty. The good news is things are now getting better for these good people. However there is still a lot of work to be done to clean up the crime.
The good people of the inner cities have grown tired of those out there who pay lip service to their problems, and who try to change the narrative that the police are the problem. They have grown wise to that nonsense and many more are no longer fooled by it. They see now positive changes and a concerted effort taking place, which will be on a permanet basis, and they like that, and I am glad that things are finally going in the right direction for them in many aspects.
Stevek, you are simply delusional. Nothing has actually changed in the last year and half regarding inner city problems and how they are being targeted by the government. The only thing that has changed is your perception because you like the people in charge now. Your supreme leader painted an false narrative of inner city life while he was running which fit your worldview. Now your news sources focus on the positives, which are no different than what had been occurring previously, instead of the negatives and suddenly "inner city problems have taken a priority to those in power".
You have no idea about how many minorities, regardless of where they are from, are apprehensive of police officers. Every single one of my African American friends from college are afraid of being pulled over. These are lawyers, doctors, engineers, architects, politicians, etc. Many are very successful, some even world renowned, and they universally fear what could happen during a traffic stop. One of my friends is a trauma surgeon, he had an officer pull a gun on him during a traffic stop. This didn't happen in the 60s it happened less than 10 years ago. Why was he stopped? For driving too slowly, my friend was doing ~8 miles under the speed limit, in an expensive BMW after a long shift. My friend had the audacity to ask why he was being pulled over and explained that he was tired from finishing an emergency surgery where he was trying to save the arm of a young man after a car accident. Apparently my friend's tone of voice was aggressive and the officer feared for his safety. Fortunately one of the 6 additional officers that got called to the scene actually knew my friend, having met him at the hospital before, and defused the situation with handshakes all around by the end. You pretend like this is an uncommon experience but sadly it is not.
Anyway we are pretty far afield of sports now though my surgeon friend did play rugby for the 4 years in college and we were on the same softball team for a couple years after he finished his residency.
@Coinstartled said:
Mark, I used to head to the old Bentley high school in Livonia to play pick up basketball twice a week (early 90's). About half the guys were local, other half were from Detroit. Competition was keen and never a problem over 2 or 3 years.
One day there was a problem, a bit of pushing and shoving and it escalated from there. One guy fell to the ground as another kicked him in the back.
I headed to my car but stopped when a lady yelled that one of the brawlers went to get a gun. I took an alternate route and high tailed it out of there...never to return.
A year later the news reported that a young man had been shot in the head at the same location. Fellow that shot him mistook the young man for someone else. He lived but was partially blinded and suffered paralysis.
Sadly there are many super predators on the streets.
@Brick said:
Just as black citizens are extremely nervous when stopped by the police I believe policemen are also a good bit apprehensive during the stop. Several complaints against the police are against black officers. Everyone is a bit afraid.
Who isn't nervous during a traffic stop or interacting with the police in other circumstances. It's natural human behavior to be nervous when somebody with handcuffs and a gun stops you and is asking you questions, right?
I'll tell ya how I've always handled it. Example...I've done a lot of traveling in my time on the job, and have been stopped around ten times for speeding, nothing exorbitant maybe around 10 or 15 miles an hour over the speed limit on a highway, and each time I deserved to be stopped, deserved to get a ticket. However, each time I was cordial with the police officer, in fact that's how I referred to them as "officer", didn't lie or pretend I was innocent, just obeyed the officer, sat patiently, waited for the officer to do what he had to do checking out my driver's license and registration or whatever else....and the good news is I've never received a speeding ticket. They always let me go with just a warning.
Anyone can spin or portray a perception about the police any which way they want...that's their prerogative. But I believe and the facts show that the police in virtually all instances, act accordingly based on a citizen's behavior, not their race or any other reason.
@Coinstartled said:
Mark, I used to head to the old Bentley high school in Livonia to play pick up basketball twice a week (early 90's). About half the guys were local, other half were from Detroit. Competition was keen and never a problem over 2 or 3 years.
One day there was a problem, a bit of pushing and shoving and it escalated from there. One guy fell to the ground as another kicked him in the back.
I headed to my car but stopped when a lady yelled that one of the brawlers went to get a gun. I took an alternate route and high tailed it out of there...never to return.
A year later the news reported that a young man had been shot in the head at the same location. Fellow that shot him mistook the young man for someone else. He lived but was partially blinded and suffered paralysis.
Sadly there are many super predators on the streets.
Poole said he knew a place in the suburbs where the competition was pretty good. So they got in the car and drove to Livonia. Five black kids in a Ford Escort. They were not there long before a police car stopped them.
“Your plates are expired,” the officer said. When he ran their names through the computer, one of them, Kevin Franklin, was shown as delinquent on child support payments. He was arrested and taken to jail.
“Let’s just go home,” Torrin said.
They almost did. But Damon wanted to play ball, and Poole did, too. So now they stood under the floodlights at Bentley, four city kids, waiting for the suburban rims.
“Check the guy in the red shorts,” Poole said to Damon as they watched the game.
“Uh-huh.”
“There go the shorts we want, the long kind.”
“Yeah, they nice. We should buy some of those.”
That was it, they claim. Nothing more. The guy in the red shorts, Tyrone Swint, also from Detroit, might have seen them looking and pointing. He would later tell police he thought Damon was “a guy who jumped me” at a Detroit nightclub. Whatever. Something set him off.
And he had a gun.
“Bring the car around,” he told a friend.
“What for?”
“We might have a fight.”
The suburbs were about to meet the city. The final game
“OK, let’s play,” Torrin said, and he bounced an inbounds pass. They ran up and down the court several times. Damon, a 6-foot-2, baby-faced guard who had dropped out of high school but starred in church leagues and was hoping to get to a small college if he could pass his equivalency exams, tossed in a couple baskets. Now he dribbled the ball upcourt. He loved this part of the game, when everything was open, everyone was moving, and he was in control. He felt special. Maybe this was the only place he ever felt special.
He was about to make a pass to his best friend, Poole. Suddenly, witnesses say, Tyrone Swint, guy in the red shorts, came up behind Damon and pulled out a gun. He shot Damon in the back of the head. This was before anyone had the chance to yell, “Look out!” This was while Damon was dribbling a basketball. The bullet went through Damon’s brain and lodged between the skull and the skin. He went down. The ball rolled away.
“Everyone started running,” Cottrell says. “I saw the guy shoot Damon and then he shot again at someone else. As I was running, I saw him go jumping into the window of this black car and they drove away.”
@fergie23 said:
Wait, did SteveK just lump NFL players peacefully protesting with holocaust deniers with absolutely no evidence whatsoever other than his overactive imagination? That has to be the dumbest and most inflammatory thing I've read on this board in at least a month.
Justacommeman, look up motivated reasoning and you will see what you are up against in these message board discussions. So no argument, no example, no facts, literally nothing you can say in this discussion will get them to reconsider their beliefs because those beliefs are part of their worldview or identity. What is interesting is that they are finding evidence of a difference between how motivated reasoning is used by liberals and conservatives. Suffice to say, there appears to be a reason so many conservative positions require ignoring facts inconvenient to those positions. Still a lot of debate in the psychology community about it but pretty compelling evidence suggesting liberals and conservatives really process information differently when that information is tied to their beliefs.
Robb
I know. Your words ring true.
It is important to remember we are all wired differently.
Being a person who has never voted for a Democrat until June 5, 2018 I find myself at odds with my former voting party on almost all things that matter to me except fiscal policy. However even that is changing as they both suck at it
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I suspect that the NHL champs will be grateful guests of the president.
I'm guessing the Russian players will be guests of honor. Since the president thinks Canada attacked the White House in 1812 I'm not sure they will be invited.
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@Justacommeman said:
The sad thing Is you actually seem to believe that black Americans are treated the same as white Americans in this country by the police. That is at the crux of the NFL protests. The players have been clear. You just don’t want want to hear it. I love how you know how they feel and what’s in their hearts. You simply dismiss systemic racism as unthinkable.
You actually believe that 99% of the cops are good, fair and just. You actually believe that comply means all cops will just give you a fist bump a smile and a warning. I suppose if you are white you stand a better chance of this happening.
When you only look at things from a white point of view and white experiences one might come to the same conclusion as you.
My black friends who are all law abiding citizens are terrified when they are pulled over by the police. It’s because of the color of their skin. I get a little nervous but they are downright frightened.
mark
I'm sure it depends on the region/big city. I'm white, but I too would be scared of the
LAPD. They have quite the history.
Being a person who has never voted for a Democrat until June 5, 2018 I find myself at odds with my former voting party on almost all things that matter to me except fiscal policy. However even that is changing as they both suck at it
m
This is more shocking than Barry Manilow coming out!
Being a person who has never voted for a Democrat until June 5, 2018 I find myself at odds with my former voting party on almost all things that matter to me except fiscal policy. However even that is changing as they both suck at it
m
This is more shocking than Barry Manilow coming out!
I didn’t think I could do it when I was filling out the ballot. Weird
Mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Being a person who has never voted for a Democrat until June 5, 2018 I find myself at odds with my former voting party on almost all things that matter to me except fiscal policy. However even that is changing as they both suck at it
m
This is more shocking than Barry Manilow coming out!
Nothing really shocks me anymore with what celebrities do in their personal lives...although when I read about Richard Pryor and Marlon Brando having a fling, now that one surprised me. LOL
Comments
What should I just roll over and quit like the Cavs?
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I would go with Shecky Greene. Pretty good early speed and relatively witty,
If this race would have been a quarter horse race, Shecky Greene would have won.
As the horses were loaded into the gate, Justacommem would have yelled "false imprisonment"
Or jockey profiling against people not being allowed to ride a thoroughbred horse in a race if they are over 120 pounds.
The sad thing Is you actually seem to believe that black Americans are treated the same as white Americans in this country by the police. That is at the crux of the NFL protests. The players have been clear. You just don’t want want to hear it. I love how you know how they feel and what’s in their hearts. You simply dismiss systemic racism as unthinkable.
You actually believe that 99% of the cops are good, fair and just. You actually believe that comply means all cops will just give you a fist bump a smile and a warning. I suppose if you are white you stand a better chance of this happening.
When you only look at things from a white point of view and white experiences one might come to the same conclusion as you.
My black friends who are all law abiding citizens are terrified when they are pulled over by the police. It’s because of the color of their skin. I get a little nervous but they are downright frightened.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Mark, I used to head to the old Bentley high school in Livonia to play pick up basketball twice a week (early 90's). About half the guys were local, other half were from Detroit. Competition was keen and never a problem over 2 or 3 years.
One day there was a problem, a bit of pushing and shoving and it escalated from there. One guy fell to the ground as another kicked him in the back.
I headed to my car but stopped when a lady yelled that one of the brawlers went to get a gun. I took an alternate route and high tailed it out of there...never to return.
A year later the news reported that a young man had been shot in the head at the same location. Fellow that shot him mistook the young man for someone else. He lived but was partially blinded and suffered paralysis.
Sadly there are many super predators on the streets.
NFLer's don't talk much about that.
Wait, did SteveK just lump NFL players peacefully protesting with holocaust deniers with absolutely no evidence whatsoever other than his overactive imagination? That has to be the dumbest and most inflammatory thing I've read on this board in at least a month.
Justacommeman, look up motivated reasoning and you will see what you are up against in these message board discussions. So no argument, no example, no facts, literally nothing you can say in this discussion will get them to reconsider their beliefs because those beliefs are part of their worldview or identity. What is interesting is that they are finding evidence of a difference between how motivated reasoning is used by liberals and conservatives. Suffice to say, there appears to be a reason so many conservative positions require ignoring facts inconvenient to those positions. Still a lot of debate in the psychology community about it but pretty compelling evidence suggesting liberals and conservatives really process information differently when that information is tied to their beliefs.
Robb
Just as black citizens are extremely nervous when stopped by the police I believe policemen are also a good bit apprehensive during the stop. Several complaints against the police are against black officers. Everyone is a bit afraid.
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Ralph
Mark - Your views are more relevant to the 1960's than 2018.
The only point you made that has some validity in today's world is in the inner cities, where we all know that crime is rampant. Extra measures have to be taken there by the police for their safety and for the safety of the community at large.
Particularly around any young male there who may be carrying a weapon. Especially because of the way it is in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, and many other inner cities, these young males have a propensity to use these weapons any time they see fit...against other gangs, against other competing drug dealers, and certainly against police officers, even innocent "civilians" who get in their way.
Kaepernick and the kneelers can evade these facts that I just stated, but that won't make the problems go away.
Are there sometimes problems with police? Of course there are, we all know that. Are problems with police so bad out there overall that kneeling, and disrespecting our national anthem and flag are necessary - of course not.
Focusing mainly on the police, while basically ignoring the other mentioned problems is being evasive in a terrible way...and that is precisely what Kaepernick and the kneelers are doing.
The problems in the inner cities are infinitely worse and more pressing than occasional problems with the police. Fortunately, in the past year and a half, inner city problems have taken priority to those in power, such as ridding our inner cities of the malignancy called MS-13 and other vermin that intimidate and terrorize the good people there.
Make no mistake, the vast majority of people in the inner cities are good. We as a society need to do what it takes to ensure these good people have a safe community, job opportunities, and proper schools to help elevate them out of poverty. The good news is things are now getting better for these good people. However there is still a lot of work to be done to clean up the crime.
The good people of the inner cities have grown tired of those out there who pay lip service to their problems, and who try to change the narrative that the police are the problem. They have grown wise to that nonsense and many more are no longer fooled by it. They see now positive changes and a concerted effort taking place, which will be on a permanet basis, and they like that, and I am glad that things are finally going in the right direction for them in many aspects.
Stevek, you are simply delusional. Nothing has actually changed in the last year and half regarding inner city problems and how they are being targeted by the government. The only thing that has changed is your perception because you like the people in charge now. Your supreme leader painted an false narrative of inner city life while he was running which fit your worldview. Now your news sources focus on the positives, which are no different than what had been occurring previously, instead of the negatives and suddenly "inner city problems have taken a priority to those in power".
You have no idea about how many minorities, regardless of where they are from, are apprehensive of police officers. Every single one of my African American friends from college are afraid of being pulled over. These are lawyers, doctors, engineers, architects, politicians, etc. Many are very successful, some even world renowned, and they universally fear what could happen during a traffic stop. One of my friends is a trauma surgeon, he had an officer pull a gun on him during a traffic stop. This didn't happen in the 60s it happened less than 10 years ago. Why was he stopped? For driving too slowly, my friend was doing ~8 miles under the speed limit, in an expensive BMW after a long shift. My friend had the audacity to ask why he was being pulled over and explained that he was tired from finishing an emergency surgery where he was trying to save the arm of a young man after a car accident. Apparently my friend's tone of voice was aggressive and the officer feared for his safety. Fortunately one of the 6 additional officers that got called to the scene actually knew my friend, having met him at the hospital before, and defused the situation with handshakes all around by the end. You pretend like this is an uncommon experience but sadly it is not.
Anyway we are pretty far afield of sports now though my surgeon friend did play rugby for the 4 years in college and we were on the same softball team for a couple years after he finished his residency.
Robb
This story is 100% not ture. LOL
Who isn't nervous during a traffic stop or interacting with the police in other circumstances. It's natural human behavior to be nervous when somebody with handcuffs and a gun stops you and is asking you questions, right?
I'll tell ya how I've always handled it. Example...I've done a lot of traveling in my time on the job, and have been stopped around ten times for speeding, nothing exorbitant maybe around 10 or 15 miles an hour over the speed limit on a highway, and each time I deserved to be stopped, deserved to get a ticket. However, each time I was cordial with the police officer, in fact that's how I referred to them as "officer", didn't lie or pretend I was innocent, just obeyed the officer, sat patiently, waited for the officer to do what he had to do checking out my driver's license and registration or whatever else....and the good news is I've never received a speeding ticket. They always let me go with just a warning.
Anyone can spin or portray a perception about the police any which way they want...that's their prerogative. But I believe and the facts show that the police in virtually all instances, act accordingly based on a citizen's behavior, not their race or any other reason.
As Casey Stengel would say...you can look it up.
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/99287330/
Poole said he knew a place in the suburbs where the competition was pretty good. So they got in the car and drove to Livonia. Five black kids in a Ford Escort. They were not there long before a police car stopped them.
“Your plates are expired,” the officer said. When he ran their names through the computer, one of them, Kevin Franklin, was shown as delinquent on child support payments. He was arrested and taken to jail.
“Let’s just go home,” Torrin said.
They almost did. But Damon wanted to play ball, and Poole did, too. So now they stood under the floodlights at Bentley, four city kids, waiting for the suburban rims.
“Check the guy in the red shorts,” Poole said to Damon as they watched the game.
“Uh-huh.”
“There go the shorts we want, the long kind.”
“Yeah, they nice. We should buy some of those.”
That was it, they claim. Nothing more. The guy in the red shorts, Tyrone Swint, also from Detroit, might have seen them looking and pointing. He would later tell police he thought Damon was “a guy who jumped me” at a Detroit nightclub. Whatever. Something set him off.
And he had a gun.
“Bring the car around,” he told a friend.
“What for?”
“We might have a fight.”
The suburbs were about to meet the city. The final game
“OK, let’s play,” Torrin said, and he bounced an inbounds pass. They ran up and down the court several times. Damon, a 6-foot-2, baby-faced guard who had dropped out of high school but starred in church leagues and was hoping to get to a small college if he could pass his equivalency exams, tossed in a couple baskets. Now he dribbled the ball upcourt. He loved this part of the game, when everything was open, everyone was moving, and he was in control. He felt special. Maybe this was the only place he ever felt special.
He was about to make a pass to his best friend, Poole. Suddenly, witnesses say, Tyrone Swint, guy in the red shorts, came up behind Damon and pulled out a gun. He shot Damon in the back of the head. This was before anyone had the chance to yell, “Look out!” This was while Damon was dribbling a basketball. The bullet went through Damon’s brain and lodged between the skull and the skin. He went down. The ball rolled away.
“Everyone started running,” Cottrell says. “I saw the guy shoot Damon and then he shot again at someone else. As I was running, I saw him go jumping into the window of this black car and they drove away.”
I know. Your words ring true.
It is important to remember we are all wired differently.
Being a person who has never voted for a Democrat until June 5, 2018 I find myself at odds with my former voting party on almost all things that matter to me except fiscal policy. However even that is changing as they both suck at it
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I'm guessing the Russian players will be guests of honor. Since the president thinks Canada attacked the White House in 1812 I'm not sure they will be invited.
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I'm sure it depends on the region/big city. I'm white, but I too would be scared of the
LAPD. They have quite the history.
This is more shocking than Barry Manilow coming out!
I didn’t think I could do it when I was filling out the ballot. Weird
Mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Nothing really shocks me anymore with what celebrities do in their personal lives...although when I read about Richard Pryor and Marlon Brando having a fling, now that one surprised me. LOL