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A federal appellate court has just dismissed an atheist lawsuit, agreeing once again with our arguments that the National Motto – In God We Trust – does not violate the Constitution.
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100!
i totally agree and thats way cool to hear. best wishes all
I have no issue with atheists, but their compelling need to exert time and effort to try to change something that is completely innocuous confuses me.
Not sure if CNN, MSNBC, ect will report this! Ohhh sorry not suppose to bring that up.
That is indeed good news. But does anyone care to guess when the next attack on the motto will occur?
I will say I agree 100% and let it go at that.
It's already underway in a different court and different district.
bob
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amen
I heard some want to double down and require the motto be repeated twice .......
Things have gotten better in our country the past year and a half and it's a wonderful thing to see.
A really nice thing is that I'm making more money and therefore I have more money to spend on coins.
Very cool we need this in this world...
Hoard the keys.
As long as religion is so prevalent, resistance is futile.
Kind of trivializes something that is important to many. Agree with Theodore Roosevelt.
BTW - in the 1830s and 1870s there was considerable talk about removing E Pluribus Unum from US coins on the basis that it was redundant with "United States." This was done with the lower-weight gold in 1834, but the motto was soon restored.
All of these mottoes and required emotional inscriptions make good, creative coin design much more difficult.
Looks repeated just once to me.
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The original is always the best....
Who is "our"?
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That disagree was uncalled for.
Atheists are supposed to be open minded and "progressive." Yet they have no tolerance for something that they can very easily ignore.
Has God checked in with His opinion?
This obviously is the Pro side in the court ruling. Not my words. I cut and pasted the wording.
click on the link and you can read for yourself.
bob
Atheists can be conservative in all aspects other than religion.
But, to appreciate both sides of the argument, suppose every time a non-atheist went to buy a cup of coffee they saw this:
Sometimes it is better to let people decide for themselves and not have the government promote one way or the other.
Personally, I have no problem with the motto, although it does complicate coin designs. Also note that the United States got along just fine for a long time without it on coins (at least one coin denomination, the Bison nickel, was issued without the motto up through 1938).
I really don't care if the motto is on or off makes no difference to me.....
I imagine it might be a different outcome if the motto was not already present and the courts were ruling on including it.
Imagine if both the legislative and executive branches enacted a law on removal of both mottos. It would be nice to return coins to the way they were in the earliest days of our nation. Back to Liberty, United States of America, and the denom.
At least I know which thread will be deleted this Monday.
Religion and politics show up and disagrees surely follow.
Sorry, didn't mean to call you Shirley.
I think we should put that on coinage!
As for the "other motto", I don't really care. It's easy to ignore, if you so choose, and the time and money spent fighting it could be better spent on something else! (Anything else!!)
I am NOT an atheist.
However, I really don't see how the motto could be seen as anything but a violation of the non-Establishment cause. This case arguing "speech" seems specious. But any reference to "God" is Deist in nature and while it does not establish any specific sect, it does support Deists as a group and thereby exclude non-Deists.
Personally, not being an atheist, I wouldn't spend $5 of my money trying to remove the motto. And I really don't notice or care. But I've always been amazed that the motto has survived as many legal challenges as it has.
LOL. Everyone knows that Darwin was God's favorite son.
I have no issue with people who believe in magic, but their compelling need to exert time and effort to try and brand everything no matter how trivial and incongruous confuses me.
I for one really hope there isnt an eternal afterlife filled with a bunch of Church going types. And if there is, I really don’t want to end up there with them. I would miss my friends, I would take my chances with the alternative and try and work my way into management.
As for coins, who cares? It is tradition at this point.
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I am not offended if it's on or off, I guess I just don't care (doesn't affect my life.)
Our coins could instead feature portraits of Jesus and have a motto saying In Liberty We Trust. It could have happened.
I for one really hope there isnt an eternal afterlife filled with a bunch of Church going types. And if there is, I really don’t want to end up there with them. I would miss my friends, I would take my chances with the alternative and try and work my way into management.
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Where is the time honored "In God We Trust, all others pay cash". Can't believe that hasn't been used here yet.
Ah good, it's innocuous. If so, not having the motto also is (after all, the founding fathers didn't put it on coins, and that's telling given the coins they would have been familiar with). So we may just as well remove it in the name of removing some lettering and thus hopefully making better-looking coins?
Ed. S.
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I really don’t care if the motto is on our coins or not. I’m comfortable in my beliefs and will fight vigorously for your right to believe in the same thing, something else, or nothing at all. I just find it interesting that it bothers some people enough that they would expend time and effort to pursue it through our legal system. They obviously have more free time and money than I do.
Maybe it should be modified to say “In God Most of us Trvst.”
Think about what would happen to coinage if the court went the other way!
Would the mint be forced to change the design mid-year?
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replace it with Live Free or Die
Do most people believe? I am not so sure about that. If people really believed in all powerful space men, I would suspect they would do more walking the walk instead of talking the talk to keep them happy. Not to mention these Gods wouldn’t keep changing the rules to adapt to society.
From what I see is mostly people saying tired tropes to societally fit in and then do what they want, how they want. confident that the ever changing definition of religious compliance will come down to their level. And it typically does
Society is better off with various religions placating the masses but that doesn’t make the old fables true.
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Would you feel the same if it said "In Allah We Trust"? I still think it's much better to keep church and state separated and not pick winners and losers on a national/federal level based on one specific ancient myth with zero evidence, where there are thousands of ancient myths to choose from.
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My motto is "In Cabernet I trust."....That would not look good on coins, but coins look good when on Cabernet...
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Bravo! About the only thing I do trust. Trust and Government shall not be used in the same sentence.
We should just go back on the gold standard and replace the motto with "In Gold We Trust". I'm sure God would understand.
In my state on your car’s license plate you can replace the County of your residence with a IGWT sticker. This sticker really means I’m a Christian Republican and you’re not. For the last six years the state has given these stickers away at no cost even though our public schools and infrastructure are underfunded. I never really cared about IGWT on coins until the license plate sticker give away started , now I see the coins motto in a different light and it bothers me. I’ve become a proponent of seperation of Church and State and honestly IGWT is not an inclusive motto in my state, it’s become another political wedge issue.
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Don't conflate differences in opinion over what constitutes sin with differences of opinion in the existence of God. There is NO DOUBT that the vast majority (approximately 90%) of the population believes in some kind of God. Those polls are anonymous and there would be no advantage in lying. Those people also are human and have human failings and often have their own interpretations of morality.
So, for example, the MAJORITY of Catholics believe that premarital sex is not a sin. A huge minority if not an absolute majority of Catholics also believe that, at the very least, abortion is a forgivable sin. However, none of those people could legitimately be said to NOT believe in a God.
As I've said, I've long believed that IGWT does violate the Establishment clause and I'm surprised it has survived legal challenge. But at the same time, I would not pretend that many of my fellow citizens believe in some kind of God, even if their personal behavior is often reprehensible.
There was no logical or any other reason at all to make changes. Unlike in Canada where they had to change it to be "gender neutral".
Some hecklers always have to be right...
see here
[https://cnn.com/2018/02/01/americas/canada-gender-neutral-national-anthem-trnd/index.html]