not chinese fakes?? There was a article on coinworld about the chinese counterfeiters getting into error coins.........won't that be a big problem for error collectors like you? How do you tell a fake from a real one???
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<< <i>not chinese fakes?? There was a article on coinworld about the chinese counterfeiters getting into error coins.........won't that be a big problem for error collectors like you? How do you tell a fake from a real one??? >>
That is WHY I asked the question, are these know fakes?? they look good to me by the photos, but ...............
If the Ike dollar on the nickel planchet was real, I would expect the thing to be a lot more distended. Such a piece would have to be struck out of the collar (the ring that goes around the coin when it is struck which also gives it the reeded edge), and given that it would have bent to a degree.
No I think that this is a fake.
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When it arrives, examine the quality of workmanship very closely. If its a fake, you should be able to spot it rather quickly since the counterfeit IKE's I've seen are obvious.
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<< <i>When it arrives, examine the quality of workmanship very closely. If its a fake, you should be able to spot it rather quickly since the counterfeit IKE's I've seen are obvious. >>
Can you see anything in the photos that says counterfeit to you!!
Then I looked at the listing. Seller has mostly jewelry, only one other item that is sort of numismatic. Has sold a bunch of other items, also mostly jewelry. Has one negative, for an item-not-received, the other feedback fine.
Then I looked at the listing. Seller has mostly jewelry, only one other item that is sort of numismatic. Has sold a bunch of other items, also mostly jewelry. Has one negative, for an item-not-received, the other feedback fine.
Based on that, I still think "real".
Congrats! Killer score! >>
That was my thoughts, I had to jump on it. If real then I guess I suck and if fake then I guess I got suckered, anyway I figure it was worth the chance.
I cannot conclusively tell from the image provided.
Your sample obverse would not produce the reverse that is on the error coin.
Since the obverse are reverse dies are different year (if the obverse matches only the 1975-1976 die) I would lean toward fake.
Once you have the coin in hand, have several examples of the eagle reverse coins per year (1971-1974 and 1977-1978) on hand and then start comparing the obverse and reverse dies. There were some subtle changes over the years that should help identify the actual year of mintage (if real).
So, if this is counterfeit, how much is it worth as a counterfeit or should I request a refund.
But I need to know for SURE.
So I guess I need this in hand, Unless Fred Can positively tell me this is a fake by the photos, in which I could try to contact the seller before sending it out.
It looks good to me. I would have jumped on it in a heartbeat. There is a strong collar scar, which is consistent with a genuine error. The serrations in the collar scar presumably represent the tops of the ridged working face of the collar. It doesn't look like collar clash on the reverse die.
Congrats on a stupendous score.
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<< <i>It looks good to me. I would have jumped on it in a heartbeat. There is a strong collar scar, which is consistent with a genuine error. The serrations in the collar scar presumably represent the tops of the ridged working face of the collar. It doesn't look like collar clash on the reverse die.
Congrats on a stupendous score. >>
Hey thank you, someone positive. My doubts have been growing.
WOW, I sure hope u are right as this looked real to me as well.
thanks man
I was getting a little down.
Either way, a great learning experience which is always good.
<< <i>The price was unbelievable if real so I did jump as fast as I could >>
This being the case I can not think of any Ike guy who would not have jumped on it also. In either case whether real or fake it is worth getting a hold of.
Real: Incredible error and a great addition to any collection.
Fake: A great piece to get a hold of to study the advances in fake coin production, to make this one cause the diversity of opinions of long time coin collectors.
EDIT:If it does turn out to be fake and the price is not too high I am sure there are at least a couple of Ike Guys that would like to have it just to study Me being one of them. If it is fake it is a good one. So either way Good Score Stew
The reverse has extremely sharp and crisp details...especially the crater debris lines. So sharp and crisp, it looks very, very early die state. That is the only "possible flag" I might see....I would expect an Ike struck on a thinner planchet (like a quarter) to have details just a little less sharp. I only say this, because of the few 1970-D Quarters I have that are struck on dime stock are that way. Maybe the thickness difference is not as large in this case?
Other than that...it sure looks the "Real Deal" to me and I wouldn't have hesitated one second to pull the trigger on that one...even if it has a "no returns" policy.
Good Luck on this! I think you got the best deal I've seen in a LONG time!
It looks like it has a raised rim in the area of the off center strike.
Look at some off center IKEs and I doubt they will have that sort of a raised rim in the off center strike area on the obv. I'm only talking about the obv and assuming the collar is on the reverse. Makes me think it might be fake.
LOL... Still sort of neat
Added: I'd want to look at other off center IKEs to be sure, maybe I'm wrong If Mike likes it that's a very good sign
It looks genuine to me also; the reeding on the reverse is exactly where you would expect it.
I believe I saw the original listing that showed four common errors - I never clicked the listing to see the other scan that included the Ike.
If I had, I would have bookmarked it, and bid very very strong. It's an incredible error, and extremely rare for an Ike.
Congrat's to the sharp-eyed bidder/buyer !!
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WTG indeed! I would have never clicked on the auction given the title and first image the seller chose to display.
I see a "YOU SUCK" award in your very near future!
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<< <i>not chinese fakes?? There was a article on coinworld about the chinese counterfeiters getting into error coins.........won't that be a big problem for error collectors like you? How do you tell a fake from a real one??? >>
That is WHY I asked the question, are these know fakes?? they look good to me by the photos, but ...............
Any and all info is welcome
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the blank planchet looks to have partially upset rims and the other (o/c on 25c stock?) just doesnt feel right either
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nickel being a harder metal i would expect a soft strike
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No I think that this is a fake.
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<< <i>When it arrives, examine the quality of workmanship very closely. If its a fake, you should be able to spot it rather quickly since the counterfeit IKE's I've seen are obvious. >>
Can you see anything in the photos that says counterfeit to you!!
Are these commonly counterfeited?
???
Even tho the seller said nickel blank, I do think the size is a quarter planchet.
Now Counterfeit Detectors please help on the IKE.
Can anyone say FOR SURE one way or the OTHER.
Then I looked at the listing. Seller has mostly jewelry, only one other item that is sort of numismatic. Has sold a bunch of other items, also mostly jewelry. Has one negative, for an item-not-received, the other feedback fine.
Based on that, I still think "real".
Congrats! Killer score!
<< <i>My first thought was "real".
Then I looked at the listing. Seller has mostly jewelry, only one other item that is sort of numismatic. Has sold a bunch of other items, also mostly jewelry. Has one negative, for an item-not-received, the other feedback fine.
Based on that, I still think "real".
Congrats! Killer score! >>
That was my thoughts, I had to jump on it. If real then I guess I suck and if fake then I guess I got suckered, anyway I figure it was worth the chance.
Your sample obverse would not produce the reverse that is on the error coin.
Since the obverse are reverse dies are different year (if the obverse matches only the 1975-1976 die) I would lean toward fake.
Once you have the coin in hand, have several examples of the eagle reverse coins per year (1971-1974 and 1977-1978) on hand and then start comparing the obverse and reverse dies. There were some subtle changes over the years that should help identify the actual year of mintage (if real).
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<< <i>Why the reeding on the reverse? >>
Good Question ... perhaps metal flow that look kinda like reeding??????
I have no idea if this real or not after all the responses as I am not an Ike expert and apparently not an error expert either
A key question to be answered convincingly before I could join the "real" group.
The reverse die would have had to do something unheard of to put that reeding on there?
That does not appear to be metal flow.It appears to be an impression of edge reeding.
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<< <i>I can't put my finger on it, but it just looks wrong.
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But I need to know for SURE.
So I guess I need this in hand, Unless Fred Can positively tell me this is a fake by the photos, in which I could try to contact the seller before sending it out.
Congrats on a stupendous score.
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<< <i>It looks good to me. I would have jumped on it in a heartbeat. There is a strong collar scar, which is consistent with a genuine error. The serrations in the collar scar presumably represent the tops of the ridged working face of the collar. It doesn't look like collar clash on the reverse die.
Congrats on a stupendous score. >>
Hey thank you, someone positive. My doubts have been growing.
WOW, I sure hope u are right as this looked real to me as well.
thanks man
I was getting a little down.
Either way, a great learning experience which is always good.
<< <i>mike diamond knows his stuff so i guess i have egg on my face for doubting >>
Thank you again Mike for chiming in. I did not know that was your handle,
Good to hear from an EXPERT which I strive to be.
<< <i>The price was unbelievable if real so I did jump as fast as I could >>
This being the case I can not think of any Ike guy who would not have jumped on it also.
In either case whether real or fake it is worth getting a hold of.
Real: Incredible error and a great addition to any collection.
Fake: A great piece to get a hold of to study the advances in fake coin production,
to make this one cause the diversity of opinions of long time coin collectors.
EDIT:If it does turn out to be fake and the price is not too high I am sure there are
at least a couple of Ike Guys that would like to have it just to study
Me being one of them. If it is fake it is a good one.
So either way Good Score
Stew
Bill is not alone in his thinking.The thing should look more messed up than it appears to me to be.
It looks "too good," in other words.
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Good luck to you. You got a hell of a deal if that IKE turns out to be the real deal.
it looks very, very early die state. That is the only "possible flag" I might see....I would expect an Ike struck on a
thinner planchet (like a quarter) to have details just a little less sharp. I only say this, because of the few 1970-D
Quarters I have that are struck on dime stock are that way. Maybe the thickness difference is not as large in this case?
Other than that...it sure looks the "Real Deal" to me and I wouldn't have hesitated one second to pull the trigger
on that one...even if it has a "no returns" policy.
Good Luck on this! I think you got the best deal I've seen in a LONG time!
Brian
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your example looks to good to be true
reeding does not make sense on one side
should not be so well defined strike near edge (center of IKE)
pics can be off - you will know when it arrives
Otherwise it looks good to me and the upsetting looks normal.
Edt to add...not an expert.
Look at some off center IKEs and I doubt they will have that sort of a raised rim in the off center strike area on the obv.
I'm only talking about the obv and assuming the collar is on the reverse.
Makes me think it might be fake.
LOL... Still sort of neat
Added: I'd want to look at other off center IKEs to be sure, maybe I'm wrong If Mike likes it that's a very good sign
reverse is exactly where you would expect it.
I believe I saw the original listing that showed
four common errors - I never clicked the listing
to see the other scan that included the Ike.
If I had, I would have bookmarked it, and bid
very very strong. It's an incredible error, and
extremely rare for an Ike.
Congrat's to the sharp-eyed bidder/buyer !!
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What degree of die rotation would be within bounds so as to not make one suspicious about this piece being fake?
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<< <i>"I'm going with fake because of the die rotation."
What degree of die rotation would be within bounds so as to not make one suspicious about this piece being fake? >>
10% maybe.
I haven't seen much rotation on Ikes.
I thought I had a good eye, but the counterfeit guys had me questioning myself.
BTW I got the 1996 double headed lincoln that I emailed you about so no need to reply.
Thank you again Fred and Mike.
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I see a "YOU SUCK" award in your very near future!
if I certified all my great errors, I wouldn't have any money left for coins
it looks aligned to me
The seller just requested to cancel this transaction.
My guess is one of you offered him more, Very uncool, very unethical if so.
It is possible the seller, may have wanted to cancel this on his own, but i do have to wonder.....
I rejected his cancel, he will get negged if he does not follow through.
I should not have posted this thread.
I was looking for information and help.
I may of @#$*)! myself.
no more asking for help....
shame
the lesson to learn here, however, is never discuss a deal in public until that deal is finished and the coins (or whatever) is IN HAND
sorry this happened to you......keep the pressure on the seller and maybe he will follow through
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Someone takes my very hard work, uses it, and tries to sneak this by.
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