25th Set DDO pics

Coinflip · April 20, 2012 7:23AM

25th set DDO pics

The following is for attribution of the 25th set DDO

PCGS, NGC currently are NOT attributing this yet. ANACS seems to be with attribution letter.
Both Dr.Wiles and Wexler have it listed. I can see this in the CPG.

Coneca 2011 $1 ASE DDO-001, 1-O-VI

Wexler 2011 $1 ASE WDDO-001

TOP: DDO CLASS 6 BOTTOM:NOT Class 6

Coinsponge · April 20, 2012 7:33AM

I sure wish I could get a handle on that dd criteria. That looks so much like the stuff everyone tells me is mechanical doubling to me.

nags · April 20, 2012 7:34AM

Are those two coins the same mint mark? The 2011 is very different between the two

CEOcoinshopcom · April 20, 2012 7:36AM

Hard to tell sometimes when the Doubling is "in line" and the split serif's are tough to see.....

mkman123 · April 20, 2012 7:39AM

Please excuse my ignorance, were is the doubling.....I don't see it

Coinflip · April 20, 2012 7:49AM

The Class6 is way diferent, I'd look again. Look at the affected areas closer towards the rim, and less as you move towards the center. Note the fat tops of the date,the stretching of the T and R in trust. The designs clearly have a stretch like appearance. If you look closer you can even spot the diferences in the fingers, seperation in the stars(affected more because closer to rim)

lasvegasteddy · April 20, 2012 8:13AM

does not do a thing for me crowd here...

Timbuk3 · April 20, 2012 8:26AM

Not my forte, but thanks for
the information !!!

keyman64 · April 20, 2012 8:39AM

Easiest to see in at the tops of the letters in LIBERTY...besides that, not so easy. You need to increase the magnification another 1000x to see it in other areas and at that point it becomes a joke. To me, even the LIBERTY looks like shelf/machine/mechanical doubling. Whatever...

morgansforever · April 20, 2012 8:44AM

I'm with lasvegasteddy.
A double die to me is a 55 DDO cent, 72 DDO cent, 61 Franklin DDR proof, 95 DDO cent, etc.
Just my opinion, don't let it stop you from hunting for errors.

pitboss · April 20, 2012 8:56AM

And some of you guys complained about the errors on the 09 cents.

Wow !!!

These things here are impossible to see and hardly worth the effort.

19Lyds · April 20, 2012 9:03AM

To have a doubled die on a SAE is just plain cool.

It might not be signifcant to some but given the fact that there are very FEW attributable Doubled Dies on the SAE series is just plain cool.

I suppose some day it'll have as much attention paid to it as the DDO's in the Commemorative Coin Series. Like the 1984-W $10 Gold DDO. or perhaps the 1925 Stone Mountain or perhaps the other Classic Commemorative Doubled Dies.

Definitely collectible but you rarely hear about them. As such, the premiums one could expect would be modest compared to other more notable doubled dies.

Coinflip · April 20, 2012 9:07AM

...Maybe its just me but I can spot this a mile away. just by looking @ the top two pics. Magnification isn't even necessary if you are FAMILIAR with what that class doubling looks like, but I look @ coins all day long. Maybe I am just a coin nerd haha

I am guessing the mintage is low, at lease wayyy much lower than the 2007 reverse design varieties estimated @ 45000 and going for $400 minimal in 69.

Numbersguy · April 20, 2012 9:10AM

Sorry that I don't have a link, but there was a very good article in Numismatic News on 1/26/2012 concerning the anomalies with these 2011 anniversary no mint mark bullion silver eagles. According to the article about 15% of the non mint bullion coins from the 2011 anniversary set have this doubling/fat date issue. I have a hard time seeing the doubling, but the fat date is pretty obvious in my opinion. I've been watching Ebay and this thread for any signs as to whether this fat date or doubling will result in an increase in value over the the other ones, but so far I am a little surprised at the lack of interest.

Coinflip · April 20, 2012 9:21AM

I thought the 15% was questionable, quite possible thats what ICG was seeing, but quite possible these could have been an early die, or a good run that they just so happened to be seeing early in the game. I am curious if the mint even cranked out 15,000 coins for this die, especially being part of a special mintage set. Average mintage for burnished ASEs are 5000 per die, for example. Furthermore if you get a crack, chip, clash, deterioration or anomalies to the die, they switch it out. Make it a limited edition or proof issue coin, they switch them out early, instead of burning thru them out like a normal coin. Mintage is questionable but I am sure the pops will be low on these, most won't even look for it, and the fact that this was part of a 25th set and the coin was minted in San Franciso, super cool.

Coinflip · April 20, 2012 9:31AM

<< Easiest to see in at the tops of the letters in LIBERTY...besides that, not so easy. You need to increase the magnification another 1000x to see it in other areas and at that point it becomes a joke. To me, even the LIBERTY looks like shelf/machine/mechanical doubling. Whatever... >>

Don't look at the notching or separation lines, its distended doubling. It will be hard to pick it up in Liberty, The only spot I can see is the "L" near the sun ray, which is fatter, and the affected sun ray itself. I think what you are seeing is the MD on the Liberty.

19Lyds · April 20, 2012 9:52AM

<< ...Maybe its just me but I can spot this a mile away. just by looking @ the top two pics. Magnification isn't even necessary if you are FAMILIAR with what that class doubling looks like, but I look @ coins all day long. Maybe I am just a coin nerd haha

I am guessing the mintage is low, at lease wayyy much lower than the 2007 reverse design varieties estimated @ 45000 and going for $400 minimal in 69. >>

As for a mintage, unless unique characteristics can be made identifying this as a multi-die coin, one could assume that a single die was doubled. According to the FOI provided when Lope208 requested information on mintages of the 2008 Rev 07 coins, the US Mint stated that each coin received 3 strikes.

Specific information in that FOI indicated that as few as 1 (3 strikes) up to 5,785 (17,355 strikes) coins "could" have been produced from a single die. Those numbers represent the lowest and hioghest number of strikes as recorded by the US Mint for the 2008 Rev 2007 coins.

As for comparing the 2011(S) DDO's with the 2008 Rev 07 coins for pricing, the latter received much more publicity over a much longer period of time than the 2011(S) DDO which in turn, attracted a MUCH larger audience and as such a higher market value. As it sits today, only those few that really care to purchase one of these "difficult to discern" DDO's will pay a premium over and above that which has already been paid for the 2011 25th Anniversary sets.

In short, modest at best. Of course that does not detract from the significane of the coin but there are lot's and LOT's of low mintage coins and die varieties which folks simply do not care enough about to go out of their way to either find them or pay a premium for them. Ever hear of a 1968-S DDR-002 Kennedy Half Dollar? Much more significant doubling than the 2011(S) SAE but there just is no karket for it. I know. I have some which and they are nearly impossibleto sell for what they are since most folks only SEE a 1968-S Kennedy Half Dollar.

I'm just sayin............

DAM · April 20, 2012 11:55AM

Love any errors, including modern errors.

Have to wonder just how far "the modern minting process" has come when errors like this pop up so frequently. I thought that was supposed to have been eliminated long ago. Guess not.

Coinflip · April 20, 2012 12:15PM

I'm not sure what you are speculating with the 3 strikes on the REv07. To my knowledge there are 15 different dies found X3000 coins per die =45,000 and PCGS lists this for the variety as well. I don't think the 1968-S DDR-007 is significant and certainly not in CPG. With 100,000 of these sets selling out in a few hours , I would think that this would have a good running for a spot. The set is already highly collectable as it is.

BigA · April 20, 2012 9:24PM

<< Please excuse my ignorance, were is the doubling.....I don't see it >>

I have to admit

and THAT is AFTER the explanation

Topdollarpaid · April 21, 2012 12:00AM

I. Can see why they would not attribute it. ,, I mean I can't see why they would attribute it...

I may be blind.

ricko · April 21, 2012 12:19AM

Very minimal... and, could easily be determined as machine doubling.... likely never get much of a premium. Cheers, RickO

Coinflip · April 21, 2012 12:53AM

this is no where close to MD, plz don't comment unless you know what MD is . The top coin is doubled, the bottom coin is MD like, don't get them confused

frnklnlvr · April 21, 2012 12:53AM

To anyone that has found more than one of these:

Do they seem to be fairly common?

Have you been able to determine if these are all from the same working die or could it be a working hub DDO?

19Lyds · April 21, 2012 2:31AM

<< I'm not sure what you are speculating with the 3 strikes on the REv07. To my knowledge there are 15 different dies found X3000 coins per die =45,000 and PCGS lists this for the variety as well. I don't think the 1968-S DDR-007 is significant and certainly not in CPG. >>

I'm not speculating since that information was provided directly from the West Point Mint Facility by the US Mint in response to Lope208's Freedom of Information Act request which specifically stated that 46,318 coins were made and that each coin received 3 strikes.

PCGS needs to update their pages.

As for the 1968-S, the CPG is NOT the variety bible, merely a "guide" into variaty collecting.

BigA · April 21, 2012 4:47AM

<< plz don't comment unless you know what MD is . The top coin is doubled, the bottom coin is MD like, don't get them confused >>

Oh, sorry. I thought it was an open thread where collectors could learn something.

PLEASE NOTE: EXPERTS ONLY ON THIS ONE....

Yukoncornelius1 · April 21, 2012 5:08AM

Out of eight 25th sets I bought there was 1 of these coins included.

Coinflip · April 21, 2012 7:49AM

Very interesting, but I still don't understand your point. The 15 dies with 3000 on average with approx 45,000 coin, great information with the letter but still don't see anything it points out but confirming approx mintage for rev 07 variety.

Coinflip · April 21, 2012 7:53AM

<< 

<< plz don't comment unless you know what MD is . The top coin is doubled, the bottom coin is MD like, don't get them confused >>

Oh, sorry. I thought it was an open thread where collectors could learn something.

PLEASE NOTE: EXPERTS ONLY ON THIS ONE.... >>

Your time and opinions are appreciated here, but to call it as if it was MD , plz point it out. After all, YES this is an informative post, but lets not mislead the misguided now. I am still going to sit on the opinions of Dr. James Wiles @ Coneca and John Wexler as well, which have confirmed the class 6 doubling and have it listed on very respectable listings. If you have new evidence, plz point it out for us. I'm sure CoinWorld would like to know before it makes it in an upcoming issue, of any controversial opinions in order to uphold their reputation.

coinman23885 · April 21, 2012 11:07AM

<< Please excuse my ignorance, were is the doubling.....I don't see it >>

Coinflip · May 7, 2012 5:22AM

this just made

CoinWorld pg 32

illini420 · May 7, 2012 5:29AM

<< this just made

CoinWorld pg 32 >>

Just takes me to a blank login page... care to summarize for us that don't subscribe?

Coinflip · May 7, 2012 5:44AM

Click on digital edition... you don't need to be a subscriber

Coinworld

frnklnlvr · May 7, 2012 6:35AM

<< Easiest to see in at the tops of the letters in LIBERTY...besides that, not so easy. You need to increase the magnification another 1000x to see it in other areas and at that point it becomes a joke. To me, even the LIBERTY looks like shelf/machine/mechanical doubling. Whatever... >>

I haven't examined one of these but the "doubling" on LIBERTY on both coins looks like machine doubling. Also, CONECA's description doesn't mention anything about LIBERTY being doubled.

RichR · May 7, 2012 7:07AM

Summary of the CW article...they ARE referring to is as a double die variety...and advise to check your coins accordingly.

25th Set DDO pics

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