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Great collections are formed by pushing the limits

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  • Great collections are formed by seeing opportunity before the masses do unless you have almost unlimited funds.
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,533 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great collections are often formed by those that sacrafice much over a long period of time. Those that form these great collections often have great patience and/or the willingness to upgrade when the opportunity presents itself. For those that do not have great financial resources, patience, blood, sweat and tears are often common factors.
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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Such as, Buying in great quantities,letting the collectors know that whatever series that comes out,that the collecting public should jump on board,before the price goes up!This can be modern or old school.

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  • a good eye forms a great collection
  • My motto is simple, and I actually came up with this on my own and it has turned out great- "I only collect quality, and over time I will have quanity of quality". This takes patientce, money and the ability to trust your instincts.
  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭


    << <i>a good eye forms a great collection >>



    So pushing the limits of visual quality forms a great collection. No?

    There are many ways of pushing the limits.
  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Great collections are often formed by those that sacrafice much over a long period of time. Those that form these great collections often have great patience and/or the willingness to upgrade when the opportunity presents itself. For those that do not have great financial resources, patience, blood, sweat and tears are often common factors. >>



    A lot of truth to this, not all of the great collectors were wealthy, but of those who weren't a huge sacrifice was required.
  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Example,maybe? In 1909,I'm sure a lot of unwealthy people, took a chance on "hoarding" these newly unfounded pennies,especially, taking a chance on the change of design!

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  • Bossman88Bossman88 Posts: 638 ✭✭
    Great collections are formed over time, and being in the right place at the right time.

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  • Great Collections are formed by Ian Russell.
  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Great Collections are formed by Ian Russell. >>



    Laura might disagree!
  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Great collections are formed over time, and being in the right place at the right time.

    Regards, Larryimage >>



    PATIENCE. Patience and a good eye form great collections. It has been shown that given enough of these two ingredients, money is secondary (or tertiary?).

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    << <i>Great Collections are formed by Ian Russell. >>



    Laura might disagree! >>



    Maybe to be more specific GreatCollections.com was formed by Ian Russell.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I absolutely agree with the OP. Very few great collections are formed by those who stick to the priceguides and dont step up to buy the great coins when they come available.

    Opportunity is often more important than price
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
    id say good eye and good coin appeal is a real good thing
  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Before I can answer the question, I'd like to know more about what makes a "great collection". I bet there will be some disagreement. For example, one that has lots of eye appeal might be an answer. Obviously, eye appeal is in the eye of the beholder! Perhaps that combined with all about the same grade or look. Well, why is that required? How about a collections that only includes absolute rarities. That would exclude the majority of collectors that have limited resources and I think one can be done without this requirement.

    I like my small efforts toward my basic U.S. type collection, but I'm sure that the opinionated crowd here would enjoy picking it apart and telling me how great thou not. It isn't a "great collection", but to me it is a great joy because I enjoy looking at it and marvelling at the art and history of what I own.
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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Opportunity is often more important than price."

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  • DrPeteDrPete Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭
    Opportunity is very key to buiilding a great collection. A key to my Barber half set came along, the 1904-S in superb gem condition. I had an MS 62. Reaching for the gem coin was a huge deal for me at the time and it was with great effort and trading in many coins that I was able to buy the coin. Now, 16 years later I have absolutely no regrets for reaching for that coin. That coin only comes up in superb gem condition on average about once every 10 years. It turns out the other top three examples have all been sold at least once in the last 3 years, but I don't expect to see any of them again for quite some time. Obviously, my example is tied up and will continute to be so for some time.
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  • Great collections are formed by living in the mid 1900's and having a nearly unlimited amount of funds.image

    Edit to add: Pushing the limits sounds a bit like using a bunch of credit to accomplish such a task.
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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is a thread that has the potential to generate substantial numbers of very insightful and information replies.


    I'll pose a very basic question for forumites to ponder before the post their replies.


    The question is: What is the definition of "GREAT" in the term "Great collections"?



    For the majority of collectors [all except those who (without substantial personal effort, labor and learning) have inherited or otherwise acquired collections that have been assembled by others], forming a great collection will most likely require time, work, knowledge, effort, luck, opportunity, passion and cultivation of sources/contacts/methods in addition to resources.
  • HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭
    Great collections are formed by pushing the limits

    Yup my Credit Cards are maxed out. ;0

    just kidding


    Great collections are formed by pushing the limits

    It takes more then money and persistence but they are a start.
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1) You need to have the expertise to find quality material, either through self-knowledge or a trusted advisor
    2) You need to have the patience to wait until you find what you are looking for at a reasonable price
    3) You need to have the contacts which make the quality material available to you before it either disappears or gets marked up three times so it is no longer affordable.

    An unlimited source of funds does not guarantee a great collection. I've seen some collections which I will not name here which were built this way. Note - I don't consider a collection of coins in which the buyer is upside down financially in a major way to be a great collection, irrespective of the coins which are held.
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  • CalebCaleb Posts: 739
    What is great to someone might be laughed at by someone else. Have fun and don’t worry about it.image
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,550 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sinply put: the art of taking or executing on that one opportunity if allowed to be presented on only the material that stands miles above all other examples. >>


    That was simply put?







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  • dogwooddogwood Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭
    I could make my collection great if I had Dr. Pete's ex-1904s barber half in MS62.

    I would say a great collection contains coins of limited availability of exceptional quality that cohesively bond together to exceed the sum of it's parts through focus and passion.
    We're all born MS70. I'm about a Fine 15 right now.
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  • Realone, I think you just described art.image
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  • kruegerkrueger Posts: 904 ✭✭✭✭

    I Had one of those opportunities recently on two rare date pop top USPI coins.
    I had to get aggressive or never see them again as I had never seen these dates in these high grades before.
    It Took two months of negotiations on price and discussions about the pieces to convince the owner /dealer to sell. I Stepped up on the price I was willing to pay (Opportunity is worth some dollars)
    Passed on other opportunities to focus my funds. It paid off. My registry sets got a big boost in points.


    Krueger
  • BGBG Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    and understanding what others don't in your series of choice.
  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭


    << <i>and understanding what others don't in your series of choice. >>



    Pushing the limits of knowledge...knowing what others don't can definitely help in forming a great collection.
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,533 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Pushing the limits of knowledge...knowing what others don't can definitely help in forming a great collection. >>

    image That's what Cherrypicking is all about...you have to be smarter than the other guy. image
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pushing the limits of what?

    If you simply push the limits of what you'll pay for a coin, you'll have an expensive collection, not necessarily a great one, otherwise you'd see "great collections" built from Littleton and TV shopping.

    If you push the limits of how much one person knows about a series, you still have to leverage this information asymmetry by appling that knowledge and being able to act upon it.

    And with respect to what constitutes a great collection, if one simply equates collection greatness with registry points, the only limit that need be pushed is what will be paid. That approach will likely seem more simplistic as one pushes the limit of their depth of knowledge about what they're collecting.

    Building anything that is considered great, be it a collection, a building, a symphony, or a piece of software, also requires a goal and a strategy for achieving that goal. Given a goal and a plan, the limits that are pushed may simply be your personal limits of patience and perseverance.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    Great Collections belong to individuals who appreciate their collections.

    What the "public" views as a "Great Collection" is the result of either targeted or broad marketing.

    I can collect Eisenhower Dollars endlessly and still not have what would be considered a "great collection". However, if I can assemble a "Top Pop" collection, then it could be considered great. It would be even "greater" (to me) if that could be done via "raw" coins and submissions without having to "purchase" the top pops from someone elses "great collection".

    Non Top Pop collections require coins with great eye appeal to all viewers, not just those that appreciate the series.

    But then...........who is to judge whether or not a particular collection is "great"?
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Great collections are formed by living in the mid 1900's and having a nearly unlimited amount of funds.image >>

    Of course you're referring to Louis Eliasberg. image
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  • AnalystAnalyst Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭
    TDN: << I absolutely agree with the OP. Very few great collections are formed by those who stick to the price guides and do not step up to buy the great coins when they come available.>>

    Well said, IMO, coins that are rare, of high quality, and/or special in other ways, often sell for more than listings in price guides. They also often sell for more than previous auction records for coins of the same type and date or for more than auction records for different coins that are seemingly equivalent. Great collections are generally not formed by collectors who are looking for ‘bargains’ or who try too hard to pay no more than ‘market prices.’

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,604 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've worked in a coin shop for almost 3 years. The guys with the best collections push more buttons than limits. That doesn't mean they have "great" collections. They just have collections worth more than they're actually paying for.
  • Money (and I mean money) is necessary for a great collection.


    Necessary, but not sufficient.
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  • ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>a good eye forms a great collection >>



    So pushing the limits of visual quality forms a great collection. No?

    There are many ways of pushing the limits. >>

    I think that is one out of many factors of forming a great collection. I would dare to say that most of us are in constant motion of forming great collections all our lives.
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  • pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    Great collections are formed by pushing the limits?

    I would say to build a great collection you better make friends with the inner circle and hope they do not make you the whipping boy.

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  • percybpercyb Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭✭
    ...by being grateful and humble.
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