Lots of shady deals goes on in the coin hobby, but you can survive this ordeal. Forum members here have been caught red handed tonning coins and other undesireable acts and are still posting here.
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If Casman is satisfied that is all that matters.......no other answers or questions are needed..........If you want to deal with comma that is your business and yours alone..........as I see it he has stepped up and admitted his mistake. Give a young guy a chance to to regain his reputation........down the road I would guess he will do things alot differently ( I'd bet on that)...........and as for Casman I think you handled this very well and are a stand up guy......as always IMO........
Geesh, this is just ludricrous! So many things wrong here but the worst IMO is the diatribe that has ensued and the animosity that it has created. Have a good day all!
Charter member of CA, Coinaholics Anonymous-6/7/2003 Kewpie Doll award-10/29/2007 Successful BST transactions with Coinboy and Wondercoin.
<< <i>1 word describes the responses in this thread
sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous/ˌsaNG(k)təˈmônçəs/
Adjective:
derogatory. Making a show of being morally superior to other people.
Its time to move on people. >>
bah search the dictionary, google it, call it what you like, I don't care.
I have done 3 transactions on the BST in the last month or so, one at almost 4K. With that being said I need the information that Casman and others provide on this and similar threads to protect myself. If that makes me any definition go right ahead and label me.
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Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
I love it when someone makes a point in a post and then tells everyone else that it is time to move on, as if that person should be the last word on the issue. Talk about sanctimonious!
When there is nothing left to say, these threads drop and go away.
<< <i>at age 22, I am sure many of the naysayers on here have done worse. Move on and learn. >>
Sorry, but I think it is a misdirection, at best, and just ignorant, to use age as an excuse. At 18, many of us have joined the armed services. 18 year olds may not always act like it, but they ARE considered an adult and responsible for their actions. Many 18 year old have their lives on the line with live ammo and dangerous situations in the armed services.
Many that aren't in the armed services are in college or working or supporting an early family. I wish folks would stop using age as an excuse.
What happened, happened. Doesn't matter the age. It's a responsibility and maturity level, regardless of age. Pointing the fingers at anyone else, even if to say "well, they have done the same thing, so why does it matter if I did it?" is not taking responsibility.
Those that want to defend a person who does this, those that want to sweep it away......well, if the original issue hadn't been brought to light, then this person wouldn't have come forth. They wouldn't have taken responsibility (if they have at all currently....all we really know is that this person "came forward to admit it was them". So, those of you that want to defend or make excuses for this, you go ahead and deal with him. There are too many other sellers out there who do take full responsibility, they take pride in themselves and don't point fingers. I'll stay with those guys. Yes, everyone makes mistakes......it's in how you handle the mistakes, and trying not to repeat the same thing, that makes it so that you can show progress ahead and grow.
And, to anyone who says "he is a YN and we need more of them in the hobby"......well, we may need more YNs, but I think there are some that I am ok NOT needing....I would rather have any of the other YNs that have graced these boards, either as themselves or with their parents, that have showed humility and a willingness to learn, than somoene who is all about the money (hundreds of posts about the 25th annv SAE sets are pretty much proof of that, imho).
And, to anyone who says "he is a YN and we need more of them in the hobby"......well, we may need more YNs, but I think there are some that I am ok NOT needing....I would rather have any of the other YNs that have graced these boards, either as themselves or with their parents, that have showed humility and a willingness to learn, than somoene who is all about the money (hundreds of posts about the 25th annv SAE sets are pretty much proof of that, imho).
<< <i>What is the point in telling someone you will never buy a coin from them?
Because it is in the context of this discussion. I was not speaking specifically to the OP, either, as I was to dealers in general.
What is the point of you asking me stupid questions? Do you go around and ask everyone for their motivations for their posts on the thousands of threads? >>
Maybe for your small inner circle of PCGS forum, deep pocket elites, you are 100% correct in your attitude of non-participation or boycott or whatever you might call it. But I see and have been part of 100s and thousands of successful monthly transactions on the BST between us mere 100$ coin peons that dont measure up to your standard of transactional excellence and I would say the % of problems is outsandingly low. Probably lower than even EBAY, but I dont see you taking that attitude towards EBAY so I really dont see the point of bad mouthing the indiviudal or the whole of the BST.
I am privvy to some very interesting speculation(maybe false, I dont know just as you dont know for sure about this member's situation) on how a certain big time member here has aquired his fortune in the non-profit charity accounting industry and with it his very famous collection, does that give me the right, as it has given you, to bash everyone who has amassed a good fortune and lump them into 1 general group? I dont think it does.
This kid made a mistake. His mistake was kearning 1 day too late he was getting cherrypicked by a member who obviously knew he wasnt paying fair market value for what he had. He didnt steal money, and yes it was his second mistake. But he didnt defraud anyone, It was only went the item went to ebay that the member decided to smoke him out. Its at best a grey area i agree but if if this is the worst mistake this kid makes at 22 then I think ell end up ok.
Probably my last post since I am excercising my free speech agasint a forum big shot, even though he called me stupid without reason, so take care everyone.
<< <i>What is the point in telling someone you will never buy a coin from them?
Because it is in the context of this discussion. I was not speaking specifically to the OP, either, as I was to dealers in general.
What is the point of you asking me stupid questions? Do you go around and ask everyone for their motivations for their posts on the thousands of threads? >>
Maybe for your small inner circle of PCGS forum, deep pocket elites, you are 100% correct in your attitude of non-participation or boycott or whatever you might call it. But I see and have been part of 100s and thousands of successful monthly transactions on the BST between us mere 100$ coin peons that dont measure up to your standard of transactional excellence and I would say the % of problems is outsandingly low. Probably lower than even EBAY, but I dont see you taking that attitude towards EBAY so I really dont see the point of bad mouthing the indiviudal or the whole of the BST.
I am privvy to some very interesting speculation(maybe false, I dont know just as you dont know for sure about this member's situation) on how a certain big time member here has aquired his fortune in the non-profit charity accounting industry and with it his very famous collection, does that give me the right, as it has given you, to bash everyone who has amassed a good fortune and lump them into 1 general group? I dont think it does.
This kid made a mistake. His mistake was kearning 1 day too late he was getting cherrypicked by a member who obviously knew he wasnt paying fair market value for what he had. He didnt steal money, and yes it was his second mistake. But he didnt defraud anyone, It was only went the item went to ebay that the member decided to smoke him out. Its at best a grey area i agree but if if this is the worst mistake this kid makes at 22 then I think ell end up ok.
Probably my last post since I am excercising my free speech agasint a forum big shot, even though he called me stupid without reason, so take care everyone. >>
Blah, blah, blah...
I did not call you stupid, so do not lie and say I did. Asking me: "Do you send emails to the thousands of dealers around the world you will never buy coins from?" is a stupid question, and I would guess that most fellow forum members would agree.
I really do not care what the kid did or did not do, as I indicated, it does not matter to me either way. Offering a positive role model is about as constructive a post as one could make under the circumstances, and that is what I did. What did you do that was constructive? Yeah, nothing.
As far as your Occupy Coin Forum attitude, I have bought and sold coins here for as little as $5 (maybe less but I cannot specifically recall) and given a bunch of stuff away, too.
Otherwise, I do not understand most of your rant and care even less. B-bye.
<< <i>I posted earlier about Comma "manning up". Some have replied to my comment saying that admitting it after being caught or outted is not manning up. This is my response to that. Casman never outted Comma. Instead, Casman said that he would not do that. Some of you may have deduced who the culprit was and many have said that they knew. However, I lurk here fairly often and post sometimes. I had no clue who the culprit was. I suspect many more of us also had no clue. So from where I sit, Comma did man up before he was outted. Maybe I am way off base because many of you spend more time here than I do and may have known much more than I. But for those of us who could not deduce who it was, it appears he did come forward and admit his wrongdoing. That is a step in the right direction.
I am not approving of what Comma did or even how he has handled it since. He has come on here to admit his mistake and apologize for it. As far as I know, he has never said anything about making it right. That would be a better step in the right direction. So don't get me wrong, I am not approving of anything, just pointing out that some of us would have never known the culprit if he didn't step forward. >>
You ever think he "manned up" because 50 members asked casman to PM them his name??? >>
I don;t think so:
<< <i>That is correct, I will not mention or PM this persons name. - Casman >>
>>
Wrong! How much you wanna bet members did get his name from Casman? >>
Ahhh. So now Casman is "questionable"?
The mob just doesn't quit does it?
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>What is the point in telling someone you will never buy a coin from them?
Because it is in the context of this discussion. I was not speaking specifically to the OP, either, as I was to dealers in general.
What is the point of you asking me stupid questions? Do you go around and ask everyone for their motivations for their posts on the thousands of threads? >>
Maybe for your small inner circle of PCGS forum, deep pocket elites, you are 100% correct in your attitude of non-participation or boycott or whatever you might call it. But I see and have been part of 100s and thousands of successful monthly transactions on the BST between us mere 100$ coin peons that dont measure up to your standard of transactional excellence and I would say the % of problems is outsandingly low. Probably lower than even EBAY, but I dont see you taking that attitude towards EBAY so I really dont see the point of bad mouthing the indiviudal or the whole of the BST.
I am privvy to some very interesting speculation(maybe false, I dont know just as you dont know for sure about this member's situation) on how a certain big time member here has aquired his fortune in the non-profit charity accounting industry and with it his very famous collection, does that give me the right, as it has given you, to bash everyone who has amassed a good fortune and lump them into 1 general group? I dont think it does.
This kid made a mistake. His mistake was kearning 1 day too late he was getting cherrypicked by a member who obviously knew he wasnt paying fair market value for what he had. He didnt steal money, and yes it was his second mistake. But he didnt defraud anyone, It was only went the item went to ebay that the member decided to smoke him out. Its at best a grey area i agree but if if this is the worst mistake this kid makes at 22 then I think ell end up ok.
Probably my last post since I am excercising my free speech agasint a forum big shot, even though he called me stupid without reason, so take care everyone. >>
Peacemonkey, I am sorry that you just don't get it. Stick around for awhile and watch a lot. It helps.
RYK has nice coins and, sure, some of them cost a fair chunk o' change, but, so what? He is not an elitist and has been with low coins and more costly coins. I have never once seen him put his nose up at folks that have more affordable coins for the 99% among us.
He isn't getting on "this kid" for 1 mistake. This isn't the first time. It also wasn't just "one mistake"...there were a litany of them in this transaction and he went down the "wrong" path each time. He could have handled it differently/better at many a different fork in the road....but didn't. Watch RYK for awhile and you will see that, for a Stealers' fan, he actually has a good head on his shoulders and is very active in the USCF AND the BST. He pays attention to many of the different posters. Not just the ones posting 5 figure coins. He also shares his knowledge. Aside from his sports viewpoint, the man is a good man and tells it like it is (and likes to joke around on the way).
Also, just like many are making assumptions on one side of this issue, I believe you are making just as big of an assumption in defending the seller...and you don't have all the info. You do realize that, don't you? Have you watched this seller post on the forums for the last few months? Have you watched the buyer?
Are you just jumping in to get your 2 cents in for fun or do you have knowledge that the rest of us don't have, or a viewpoint that comes from reading thousands of posts and getting a good feel for the online persona of the people and maybe interactions that would help define the person beyond the posts?
Comparing the BST to ebay is kind of funny and, just like comma does, is trying to point fingers somewhere else. It doesn't matter how many transactions go which way here vs there. What matters is the transaction itself and how people conduct themselves while doing it.
Having read many of RYK's 33000+ posts (ugh! I want my life back! ), I find it kind of amazing that you, or has probably only read a handful or so of his posts, comes on here and tells him he is elitist and trying to put words in his mouth.
I know for a fact that RYK uses the BST to both buy and sell. I also know that he is uber-fair and respectful of those he deals with. He is also, in my view, smart enough to avoid dealing with potential problem children. People who only come to sell or who exhibit poor judgement of character on the USCF. That is his right as it would be HIS money/time/effort that is at stake. You, as well, are welcome to deal with comma or anyone else you want to.
For the "stupid question" comment. He didn't call YOU stupid. The question was, in his view and possibly others, "stupid". Again, if you knew RYK from his posts on the forum, he is blunt and honest. With his post about not buying from people that do things like this, he could be saving others by making them think twice and use a bit more discretion before they engage in any interaction.
I know that before I engage in interactions, I have to have a good vibe about the person and/or know a bit about them. It's a form of online profiling and, like it or not, many do it. RYK was just pretty upfront about it and you seemed to take issue with it.
And, my apologies to RYK.....I about spit out the soda I was drinking when I read the part you called him a "forum big shot" I've never thought of him as that.....I reserve that for the folks who work at PCGS as, to me, the rest of us are just visitors invited into this forum-house.
Also, I did laugh at the other part of that same sentence you posted...saying it would be your last post because you were exercising "free speech". You guys that throw stuff like that around have ceased to amaze me about how little people understand life.
Much like the buyer was triggered by the ebay posting of the coin in question, I was set off by the damnation of the entire BST forum more than anything. I admit Ill never know all the details, and obviosuly without being involved it is easier to not be as harsh on the young kid, as I myself have made a mistake in the past and came here on my own accord not only to seek advice but make sure I detailed my accountability in public, however I have great respect for the BST here and have always been amazed at how great that mini market is for so many collectors. There was no reason to drag it in the mud and to claim to never have the desire to deal with anyone who sells there, while 100% his rights to think it and employ that idea, I think comes off as nothing short of snooty. Maybe I havent "pegged" RYK correctly. I meant no personal offense, everyone has a right even to be snooty if thats their pleasure. But you cannot deny the scattered elitst attitudes of many here, which for the most part is unnecesary. When someone doesnt post a single picture of a coin in 5 years but brags about their trips and their cognacs and the truffles they share with their dogs,(This is not RYK now), its hard not to notice and get annoyed at.
Bottom line .... if you come on the BST board to do business ... you better come with the highest degree of integrity possible as there really is ZERO TOLERANCE here among forum members for "hanky panky" over there. Take the "hanky panky" elsewhere. Moreover, if you are truly a "newbie" and have an item to sell but have no idea of its value, just ask any number of people on this board. If it is dirty gold coin, ask RYK, if it is a modern, ask the myriad posters that discuss them day in and day out, hour by hour over here, etc., etc., etc.. But, if you go over the the BST board with an item for sale and agree to sell it at a price (especially to another collector) only to be unable to deliver because the dog ate it or something like that, you will likely get away with that perhaps once at most and it will be so noted on your record. This pertains equally to $25 deals or $25,000 deals. Not "elitist" pronouncements here ... take the hanky panky elsewhere or face the music.
As always, just my 2 cents.
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I believe the goal here is to keep the BST worry and risk free. Anyone who comes there to conduct business needs to realize there is zero tolerance for unreliable sellers or buyers.
While it may not be difficult to be an unreliable seller there, the forum membership will make it difficult to be an unreliable seller more than once.
Each new US Mint flipping opportunity brings in a new crowd of members, hopefully they will stick around. However, It is important that they realize the BST is a place of honor; anything less will not be tolerated by those that have made it a respectable place to conduct transactions.
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<< <i>Bottom line .... if you come on the BST board to do business ... you better come with the highest degree of integrity possible as there really is ZERO TOLERANCE here among forum members for "hanky panky" over there. Take the "hanky panky" elsewhere. Moreover, if you are truly a "newbie" and have an item to sell but have no idea of its value, just ask any number of people on this board. If it is dirty gold coin, ask RYK, if it is a modern, ask the myriad posters that discuss them day in and day out, hour by hour over here, etc., etc., etc.. But, if you go over the the BST board with an item for sale and agree to sell it at a price (especially to another collector) only to be unable to deliver because the dog ate it or something like that, you will likely get away with that perhaps once at most and it will be so noted on your record. This pertains equally to $25 deals or $25,000 deals. Not "elitist" pronouncements here ... take the hanky panky elsewhere or face the music.
My $.02 is to forgive and move on. I did some pretty dumb things when I was his age and the lessons were formative. These two screw-ups will be too. Lance.
<< <i>I posted earlier about Comma "manning up". Some have replied to my comment saying that admitting it after being caught or outted is not manning up. This is my response to that. Casman never outted Comma. Instead, Casman said that he would not do that. Some of you may have deduced who the culprit was and many have said that they knew. However, I lurk here fairly often and post sometimes. I had no clue who the culprit was. I suspect many more of us also had no clue. So from where I sit, Comma did man up before he was outted. Maybe I am way off base because many of you spend more time here than I do and may have known much more than I. But for those of us who could not deduce who it was, it appears he did come forward and admit his wrongdoing. That is a step in the right direction.
I am not approving of what Comma did or even how he has handled it since. He has come on here to admit his mistake and apologize for it. As far as I know, he has never said anything about making it right. That would be a better step in the right direction. So don't get me wrong, I am not approving of anything, just pointing out that some of us would have never known the culprit if he didn't step forward. >>
You ever think he "manned up" because 50 members asked casman to PM them his name??? >>
I don;t think so:
<< <i>That is correct, I will not mention or PM this persons name. - Casman >>
>>
Wrong! How much you wanna bet members did get his name from Casman? >>
Ahhh. So now Casman is "questionable"?
The mob just doesn't quit does it? >>
You are seeing things that aren't there. Son, you just don't get it after multiple people have explained it to you. Please have an older member explain it to you via PM's. Quit wasting space here showing everyone that you fail to comprehend a simple concept.
<< <i>I have had my differences with Bochiman, and he has had his with me, but I agree completely with what Bochiman has said about RYK. I also out Bochiman in the same group with Ryk, both are members who are above reproach....if there was a circle of trust they would be in it. >>
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<< <i>Bottom line .... if you come on the BST board to do business ... you better come with the highest degree of integrity possible as there really is ZERO TOLERANCE here among forum members for "hanky panky" over there. Take the "hanky panky" elsewhere. Moreover, if you are truly a "newbie" and have an item to sell but have no idea of its value, just ask any number of people on this board. If it is dirty gold coin, ask RYK, if it is a modern, ask the myriad posters that discuss them day in and day out, hour by hour over here, etc., etc., etc.. But, if you go over the the BST board with an item for sale and agree to sell it at a price (especially to another collector) only to be unable to deliver because the dog ate it or something like that, you will likely get away with that perhaps once at most and it will be so noted on your record. This pertains equally to $25 deals or $25,000 deals. Not "elitist" pronouncements here ... take the hanky panky elsewhere or face the music.
As always, just my 2 cents.
Wondercoin >>
I would suggest this be required reading before posting to the BST. Perhaps it could be added to the SELLERS PLEASE READ thread that is pinned at the top.
<< <i>Bottom line .... if you come on the BST board to do business ... you better come with the highest degree of integrity possible as there really is ZERO TOLERANCE here among forum members for "hanky panky" over there. Take the "hanky panky" elsewhere. Moreover, if you are truly a "newbie" and have an item to sell but have no idea of its value, just ask any number of people on this board. If it is dirty gold coin, ask RYK, if it is a modern, ask the myriad posters that discuss them day in and day out, hour by hour over here, etc., etc., etc.. But, if you go over the the BST board with an item for sale and agree to sell it at a price (especially to another collector) only to be unable to deliver because the dog ate it or something like that, you will likely get away with that perhaps once at most and it will be so noted on your record. This pertains equally to $25 deals or $25,000 deals. Not "elitist" pronouncements here ... take the hanky panky elsewhere or face the music.
As always, just my 2 cents.
Wondercoin >>
I would suggest this be required reading before posting to the BST. Perhaps it could be added to the SELLERS PLEASE READ thread that is pinned at the top. >>
We previouslyi pm'd each other a while back and you seem like a budding coin collector that truly enjoys the hobby.
Keep in mind that what you went through is a life experience event that will make you stronger and better if you treat it in a positive way as you have stated it will.
Also keep in mind that some of us will immediately forgive you and move on quickly with you in a positive way but may be wary of dealing with you on the BST except in small transactions, others will take longer to warm up to you once again, and still others will take as long as 5 years or longer before they fully trust you once again.
With Do not be discouraged by how long it takes to fully restore your reputation. You are only 22 and have a long future ahead of you.
Others had similar life experience events right here and can better explain what they went through.
ManofCoins, an older collector that I fully respect, also had "issues" on this very same board a few years back. He has stuck it through right here and after multiple years is completely back in with just about everyone's good graces. But it takes time. You cannot force the time element.
It is the nature of some posters to be more guarded than others. Do understand they they might have suffered before with others, sometimes even with their own family.
<< <i>I posted earlier about Comma "manning up". Some have replied to my comment saying that admitting it after being caught or outted is not manning up. This is my response to that. Casman never outted Comma. Instead, Casman said that he would not do that. Some of you may have deduced who the culprit was and many have said that they knew. However, I lurk here fairly often and post sometimes. I had no clue who the culprit was. I suspect many more of us also had no clue. So from where I sit, Comma did man up before he was outted. Maybe I am way off base because many of you spend more time here than I do and may have known much more than I. But for those of us who could not deduce who it was, it appears he did come forward and admit his wrongdoing. That is a step in the right direction.
I am not approving of what Comma did or even how he has handled it since. He has come on here to admit his mistake and apologize for it. As far as I know, he has never said anything about making it right. That would be a better step in the right direction. So don't get me wrong, I am not approving of anything, just pointing out that some of us would have never known the culprit if he didn't step forward. >>
You ever think he "manned up" because 50 members asked casman to PM them his name??? >>
I don;t think so:
<< <i>That is correct, I will not mention or PM this persons name. - Casman >>
>>
Wrong! How much you wanna bet members did get his name from Casman? >>
Ahhh. So now Casman is "questionable"?
The mob just doesn't quit does it? >>
You are seeing things that aren't there. Son, you just don't get it after multiple people have explained it to you. Please have an older member explain it to you via PM's. Quit wasting space here showing everyone that you fail to comprehend a simple concept. >>
'"Son", hmmm..
Please, you already accused Casman of giving out his name by PM and now you and another newbie who have only been on here from August 2011 are calling respected and established members out, not really a way to gain credibility, IMO.
Building on oreville’s post just above, there was an issue here about a year ago with a seller backing out of deals and/or selling stuff he didn’t have in his physical possession. Got called out (as he should have) and took quite a bit of heat here for his actions.
A very short time later, he listed a few more items on the BST and received a plethora of comments about his recent (in)actions.
One of his items interested me, so I sent him an offer: he would need to mail the item to me, and after receipt of it, I would send the funds.
The sale went off without a hitch, and he was glad someone gave him another shot.
I do not think he posts here anymore, at least not under that old name, but some here will give you another shot. Regardless of your approach, realize that there are also those who will not do any deals with you, period. You will have to deal with that on your own.
You may want to consider that “ship first” approach if you decide to continue on the BST.
<< <i>I posted earlier about Comma "manning up". Some have replied to my comment saying that admitting it after being caught or outted is not manning up. This is my response to that. Casman never outted Comma. Instead, Casman said that he would not do that. Some of you may have deduced who the culprit was and many have said that they knew. However, I lurk here fairly often and post sometimes. I had no clue who the culprit was. I suspect many more of us also had no clue. So from where I sit, Comma did man up before he was outted. Maybe I am way off base because many of you spend more time here than I do and may have known much more than I. But for those of us who could not deduce who it was, it appears he did come forward and admit his wrongdoing. That is a step in the right direction.
I am not approving of what Comma did or even how he has handled it since. He has come on here to admit his mistake and apologize for it. As far as I know, he has never said anything about making it right. That would be a better step in the right direction. So don't get me wrong, I am not approving of anything, just pointing out that some of us would have never known the culprit if he didn't step forward. >>
You ever think he "manned up" because 50 members asked casman to PM them his name??? >>
I don;t think so:
<< <i>That is correct, I will not mention or PM this persons name. - Casman >>
>>
Wrong! How much you wanna bet members did get his name from Casman? >>
Ahhh. So now Casman is "questionable"?
The mob just doesn't quit does it? >>
You are seeing things that aren't there. Son, you just don't get it after multiple people have explained it to you. Please have an older member explain it to you via PM's. Quit wasting space here showing everyone that you fail to comprehend a simple concept. >>
'"Son", hmmm..
Please, you already accused Casman of giving out his name by PM and now you and another newbie who have only been on here from August 2011 are calling respected and established members out, not really a way to gain credibility, IMO. >>
Who says I'm a newbie? Join date means nothing. Are you one of the kids that signed up as a pre teen? Smoe people are better off minding their own business, like you.
I believe I read all these comments. I don't recall(and am sorry if I did miss it) seeing what Wondercoin asked...namely that Comma explain his side of what happened but leave the words "my father" out of it. That to me seems to point to the real heart of the matter.. not deflecting blame on others for actions we ourselves undertake and are solely responsibe for.
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<< <i>I posted earlier about Comma "manning up". Some have replied to my comment saying that admitting it after being caught or outted is not manning up. This is my response to that. Casman never outted Comma. Instead, Casman said that he would not do that. Some of you may have deduced who the culprit was and many have said that they knew. However, I lurk here fairly often and post sometimes. I had no clue who the culprit was. I suspect many more of us also had no clue. So from where I sit, Comma did man up before he was outted. Maybe I am way off base because many of you spend more time here than I do and may have known much more than I. But for those of us who could not deduce who it was, it appears he did come forward and admit his wrongdoing. That is a step in the right direction.
I am not approving of what Comma did or even how he has handled it since. He has come on here to admit his mistake and apologize for it. As far as I know, he has never said anything about making it right. That would be a better step in the right direction. So don't get me wrong, I am not approving of anything, just pointing out that some of us would have never known the culprit if he didn't step forward. >>
You ever think he "manned up" because 50 members asked casman to PM them his name??? >>
I don;t think so:
<< <i>That is correct, I will not mention or PM this persons name. - Casman >>
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Wrong! How much you wanna bet members did get his name from Casman? >>
Ahhh. So now Casman is "questionable"?
The mob just doesn't quit does it? >>
You are seeing things that aren't there. Son, you just don't get it after multiple people have explained it to you. Please have an older member explain it to you via PM's. Quit wasting space here showing everyone that you fail to comprehend a simple concept. >>
You're a very funny fellow!
A little limited but funny none the less.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
"Exactly. And this is the point I was trying to make with my earlier (admittedly a little harsh) comment about the paypal "gift". When you have someone asking you to lie and cheat right off the bat, why would anyone then be surprised to find out they have other character problems?"
This, "manning up" after the fact, and what RYK said. I don't do the "gift thing'" - my customers don't ask. Yes, we need YN's. We need more truth. People all people will continue to do stupid things for a few base reasons. No one is fully exempt last I looked. Some of this was pretty dumb. We can only help and help, educate and learn. As usual. I no longer remember whatever else I wanted to say
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sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous/ˌsaNG(k)təˈmônçəs/
Adjective:
derogatory. Making a show of being morally superior to other people.
Its time to move on people.
Hope for the best. But that is incongruent with this:
at what point is becoming aware that you hold something much more valuable than what you think and turning back become immoral?
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<< <i>1 word describes the responses in this thread
sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous/ˌsaNG(k)təˈmônçəs/
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derogatory. Making a show of being morally superior to other people.
Its time to move on people. >>
bah search the dictionary, google it, call it what you like, I don't care.
I have done 3 transactions on the BST in the last month or so, one at almost 4K. With that being said I need the information that Casman and others provide on this and similar threads to protect myself. If that makes me any definition go right ahead and label me.
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When there is nothing left to say, these threads drop and go away.
<< <i>at age 22, I am sure many of the naysayers on here have done worse. Move on and learn. >>
Sorry, but I think it is a misdirection, at best, and just ignorant, to use age as an excuse.
At 18, many of us have joined the armed services. 18 year olds may not always act like it, but they ARE considered an adult and responsible for their actions.
Many 18 year old have their lives on the line with live ammo and dangerous situations in the armed services.
Many that aren't in the armed services are in college or working or supporting an early family. I wish folks would stop using age as an excuse.
What happened, happened. Doesn't matter the age. It's a responsibility and maturity level, regardless of age.
Pointing the fingers at anyone else, even if to say "well, they have done the same thing, so why does it matter if I did it?" is not taking responsibility.
Those that want to defend a person who does this, those that want to sweep it away......well, if the original issue hadn't been brought to light, then this person wouldn't have come forth. They wouldn't have taken responsibility (if they have at all currently....all we really know is that this person "came forward to admit it was them". So, those of you that want to defend or make excuses for this, you go ahead and deal with him. There are too many other sellers out there who do take full responsibility, they take pride in themselves and don't point fingers. I'll stay with those guys.
Yes, everyone makes mistakes......it's in how you handle the mistakes, and trying not to repeat the same thing, that makes it so that you can show progress ahead and grow.
And, to anyone who says "he is a YN and we need more of them in the hobby"......well, we may need more YNs, but I think there are some that I am ok NOT needing....I would rather have any of the other YNs that have graced these boards, either as themselves or with their parents, that have showed humility and a willingness to learn, than somoene who is all about the money (hundreds of posts about the 25th annv SAE sets are pretty much proof of that, imho).
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Well, seems like a good place to post, things are all good on my end as of this morning. >>
I am very glad in the end it worked out for you. I hope that some of us that might have been a little harsh helped out.
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<< <i>Well, seems like a good place to post, things are all good on my end as of this morning. >>
Glad to hear it. The most important post to this thread is yours, that you've been made good on a bad deal.
I agree with this completely.
Sacrificing your integrity huts a lot deeper.
Perhaps when it comes to buying and selling coins, keeping your father at an arms length might be best.
Certainly, it appears he shouldn't have so much sway in your decision making.
<< <i>What is the point in telling someone you will never buy a coin from them?
Because it is in the context of this discussion. I was not speaking specifically to the OP, either, as I was to dealers in general.
What is the point of you asking me stupid questions? Do you go around and ask everyone for their motivations for their posts on the thousands of threads? >>
Maybe for your small inner circle of PCGS forum, deep pocket elites, you are 100% correct in your attitude of non-participation or boycott or whatever you might call it. But I see and have been part of 100s and thousands of successful monthly transactions on the BST between us mere 100$ coin peons that dont measure up to your standard of transactional excellence and I would say the % of problems is outsandingly low. Probably lower than even EBAY, but I dont see you taking that attitude towards EBAY so I really dont see the point of bad mouthing the indiviudal or the whole of the BST.
I am privvy to some very interesting speculation(maybe false, I dont know just as you dont know for sure about this member's situation) on how a certain big time member here has aquired his fortune in the non-profit charity accounting industry and with it his very famous collection, does that give me the right, as it has given you, to bash everyone who has amassed a good fortune and lump them into 1 general group? I dont think it does.
This kid made a mistake. His mistake was kearning 1 day too late he was getting cherrypicked by a member who obviously knew he wasnt paying fair market value for what he had. He didnt steal money, and yes it was his second mistake. But he didnt defraud anyone, It was only went the item went to ebay that the member decided to smoke him out. Its at best a grey area i agree but if if this is the worst mistake this kid makes at 22 then I think ell end up ok.
Probably my last post since I am excercising my free speech agasint a forum big shot, even though he called me stupid without reason, so take care everyone.
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Because it is in the context of this discussion. I was not speaking specifically to the OP, either, as I was to dealers in general.
What is the point of you asking me stupid questions? Do you go around and ask everyone for their motivations for their posts on the thousands of threads? >>
Maybe for your small inner circle of PCGS forum, deep pocket elites, you are 100% correct in your attitude of non-participation or boycott or whatever you might call it. But I see and have been part of 100s and thousands of successful monthly transactions on the BST between us mere 100$ coin peons that dont measure up to your standard of transactional excellence and I would say the % of problems is outsandingly low. Probably lower than even EBAY, but I dont see you taking that attitude towards EBAY so I really dont see the point of bad mouthing the indiviudal or the whole of the BST.
I am privvy to some very interesting speculation(maybe false, I dont know just as you dont know for sure about this member's situation) on how a certain big time member here has aquired his fortune in the non-profit charity accounting industry and with it his very famous collection, does that give me the right, as it has given you, to bash everyone who has amassed a good fortune and lump them into 1 general group? I dont think it does.
This kid made a mistake. His mistake was kearning 1 day too late he was getting cherrypicked by a member who obviously knew he wasnt paying fair market value for what he had. He didnt steal money, and yes it was his second mistake. But he didnt defraud anyone, It was only went the item went to ebay that the member decided to smoke him out. Its at best a grey area i agree but if if this is the worst mistake this kid makes at 22 then I think ell end up ok.
Probably my last post since I am excercising my free speech agasint a forum big shot, even though he called me stupid without reason, so take care everyone. >>
Blah, blah, blah...
I did not call you stupid, so do not lie and say I did. Asking me: "Do you send emails to the thousands of dealers around the world you will never buy coins from?" is a stupid question, and I would guess that most fellow forum members would agree.
I really do not care what the kid did or did not do, as I indicated, it does not matter to me either way. Offering a positive role model is about as constructive a post as one could make under the circumstances, and that is what I did. What did you do that was constructive? Yeah, nothing.
As far as your Occupy Coin Forum attitude, I have bought and sold coins here for as little as $5 (maybe less but I cannot specifically recall) and given a bunch of stuff away, too.
Otherwise, I do not understand most of your rant and care even less. B-bye.
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I am not approving of what Comma did or even how he has handled it since. He has come on here to admit his mistake and apologize for it. As far as I know, he has never said anything about making it right. That would be a better step in the right direction. So don't get me wrong, I am not approving of anything, just pointing out that some of us would have never known the culprit if he didn't step forward. >>
You ever think he "manned up" because 50 members asked casman to PM them his name??? >>
I don;t think so:
<< <i>That is correct, I will not mention or PM this persons name. - Casman >>
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Wrong! How much you wanna bet members did get his name from Casman? >>
Ahhh. So now Casman is "questionable"?
The mob just doesn't quit does it?
The name is LEE!
<< <i>I'd bet 1 Billion dollars, but that's just me. >>
Thank You!
The name is LEE!
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Because it is in the context of this discussion. I was not speaking specifically to the OP, either, as I was to dealers in general.
What is the point of you asking me stupid questions? Do you go around and ask everyone for their motivations for their posts on the thousands of threads? >>
Maybe for your small inner circle of PCGS forum, deep pocket elites, you are 100% correct in your attitude of non-participation or boycott or whatever you might call it. But I see and have been part of 100s and thousands of successful monthly transactions on the BST between us mere 100$ coin peons that dont measure up to your standard of transactional excellence and I would say the % of problems is outsandingly low. Probably lower than even EBAY, but I dont see you taking that attitude towards EBAY so I really dont see the point of bad mouthing the indiviudal or the whole of the BST.
I am privvy to some very interesting speculation(maybe false, I dont know just as you dont know for sure about this member's situation) on how a certain big time member here has aquired his fortune in the non-profit charity accounting industry and with it his very famous collection, does that give me the right, as it has given you, to bash everyone who has amassed a good fortune and lump them into 1 general group? I dont think it does.
This kid made a mistake. His mistake was kearning 1 day too late he was getting cherrypicked by a member who obviously knew he wasnt paying fair market value for what he had. He didnt steal money, and yes it was his second mistake. But he didnt defraud anyone, It was only went the item went to ebay that the member decided to smoke him out. Its at best a grey area i agree but if if this is the worst mistake this kid makes at 22 then I think ell end up ok.
Probably my last post since I am excercising my free speech agasint a forum big shot, even though he called me stupid without reason, so take care everyone. >>
Peacemonkey, I am sorry that you just don't get it.
Stick around for awhile and watch a lot. It helps.
RYK has nice coins and, sure, some of them cost a fair chunk o' change, but, so what? He is not an elitist and has been with low coins and more costly coins. I have never once seen him put his nose up at folks that have more affordable coins for the 99% among us.
He isn't getting on "this kid" for 1 mistake. This isn't the first time. It also wasn't just "one mistake"...there were a litany of them in this transaction and he went down the "wrong" path each time. He could have handled it differently/better at many a different fork in the road....but didn't. Watch RYK for awhile and you will see that, for a Stealers' fan, he actually has a good head on his shoulders and is very active in the USCF AND the BST. He pays attention to many of the different posters. Not just the ones posting 5 figure coins. He also shares his knowledge.
Aside from his sports viewpoint, the man is a good man and tells it like it is (and likes to joke around on the way).
Also, just like many are making assumptions on one side of this issue, I believe you are making just as big of an assumption in defending the seller...and you don't have all the info. You do realize that, don't you?
Have you watched this seller post on the forums for the last few months? Have you watched the buyer?
Are you just jumping in to get your 2 cents in for fun or do you have knowledge that the rest of us don't have, or a viewpoint that comes from reading thousands of posts and getting a good feel for the online persona of the people and maybe interactions that would help define the person beyond the posts?
Comparing the BST to ebay is kind of funny and, just like comma does, is trying to point fingers somewhere else. It doesn't matter how many transactions go which way here vs there. What matters is the transaction itself and how people conduct themselves while doing it.
Having read many of RYK's 33000+ posts (ugh! I want my life back!
I know for a fact that RYK uses the BST to both buy and sell. I also know that he is uber-fair and respectful of those he deals with. He is also, in my view, smart enough to avoid dealing with potential problem children. People who only come to sell or who exhibit poor judgement of character on the USCF. That is his right as it would be HIS money/time/effort that is at stake. You, as well, are welcome to deal with comma or anyone else you want to.
For the "stupid question" comment. He didn't call YOU stupid. The question was, in his view and possibly others, "stupid". Again, if you knew RYK from his posts on the forum, he is blunt and honest. With his post about not buying from people that do things like this, he could be saving others by making them think twice and use a bit more discretion before they engage in any interaction.
I know that before I engage in interactions, I have to have a good vibe about the person and/or know a bit about them. It's a form of online profiling and, like it or not, many do it. RYK was just pretty upfront about it and you seemed to take issue with it.
And, my apologies to RYK.....I about spit out the soda I was drinking when I read the part you called him a "forum big shot"
I've never thought of him as that.....I reserve that for the folks who work at PCGS as, to me, the rest of us are just visitors invited into this forum-house.
Also, I did laugh at the other part of that same sentence you posted...saying it would be your last post because you were exercising "free speech". You guys that throw stuff like that around have ceased to amaze me about how little people understand life.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
As always, just my 2 cents.
Wondercoin
While it may not be difficult to be an unreliable seller there, the forum membership will make it difficult to be an unreliable seller more than once.
Each new US Mint flipping opportunity brings in a new crowd of members, hopefully they will stick around. However, It is important that they realize the BST is a place of honor; anything less will not be tolerated by those that have made it a respectable place to conduct transactions.
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<< <i>Bottom line .... if you come on the BST board to do business ... you better come with the highest degree of integrity possible as there really is ZERO TOLERANCE here among forum members for "hanky panky" over there. Take the "hanky panky" elsewhere. Moreover, if you are truly a "newbie" and have an item to sell but have no idea of its value, just ask any number of people on this board. If it is dirty gold coin, ask RYK, if it is a modern, ask the myriad posters that discuss them day in and day out, hour by hour over here, etc., etc., etc.. But, if you go over the the BST board with an item for sale and agree to sell it at a price (especially to another collector) only to be unable to deliver because the dog ate it or something like that, you will likely get away with that perhaps once at most and it will be so noted on your record. This pertains equally to $25 deals or $25,000 deals. Not "elitist" pronouncements here ... take the hanky panky elsewhere or face the music.
As always, just my 2 cents.
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well said
My $.02 is to forgive and move on. I did some pretty dumb things when I was his age and the lessons were formative. These two screw-ups will be too.
Lance.
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<< <i>I posted earlier about Comma "manning up". Some have replied to my comment saying that admitting it after being caught or outted is not manning up. This is my response to that. Casman never outted Comma. Instead, Casman said that he would not do that. Some of you may have deduced who the culprit was and many have said that they knew. However, I lurk here fairly often and post sometimes. I had no clue who the culprit was. I suspect many more of us also had no clue. So from where I sit, Comma did man up before he was outted. Maybe I am way off base because many of you spend more time here than I do and may have known much more than I. But for those of us who could not deduce who it was, it appears he did come forward and admit his wrongdoing. That is a step in the right direction.
I am not approving of what Comma did or even how he has handled it since. He has come on here to admit his mistake and apologize for it. As far as I know, he has never said anything about making it right. That would be a better step in the right direction. So don't get me wrong, I am not approving of anything, just pointing out that some of us would have never known the culprit if he didn't step forward. >>
You ever think he "manned up" because 50 members asked casman to PM them his name??? >>
I don;t think so:
<< <i>That is correct, I will not mention or PM this persons name. - Casman >>
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Wrong! How much you wanna bet members did get his name from Casman? >>
Ahhh. So now Casman is "questionable"?
The mob just doesn't quit does it? >>
You are seeing things that aren't there. Son, you just don't get it after multiple people have explained it to you. Please have an older member explain it to you via PM's. Quit wasting space here showing everyone that you fail to comprehend a simple concept.
<< <i>I have had my differences with Bochiman, and he has had his with me, but I agree completely with what Bochiman has said about RYK. I also out Bochiman in the same group with Ryk, both are members who are above reproach....if there was a circle of trust they would be in it. >>
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CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
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<< <i>Bottom line .... if you come on the BST board to do business ... you better come with the highest degree of integrity possible as there really is ZERO TOLERANCE here among forum members for "hanky panky" over there. Take the "hanky panky" elsewhere. Moreover, if you are truly a "newbie" and have an item to sell but have no idea of its value, just ask any number of people on this board. If it is dirty gold coin, ask RYK, if it is a modern, ask the myriad posters that discuss them day in and day out, hour by hour over here, etc., etc., etc.. But, if you go over the the BST board with an item for sale and agree to sell it at a price (especially to another collector) only to be unable to deliver because the dog ate it or something like that, you will likely get away with that perhaps once at most and it will be so noted on your record. This pertains equally to $25 deals or $25,000 deals. Not "elitist" pronouncements here ... take the hanky panky elsewhere or face the music.
As always, just my 2 cents.
Wondercoin >>
I would suggest this be required reading before posting to the BST. Perhaps it could be added to the SELLERS PLEASE READ thread that is pinned at the top.
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As always, just my 2 cents.
Wondercoin >>
I would suggest this be required reading before posting to the BST. Perhaps it could be added to the SELLERS PLEASE READ thread that is pinned at the top. >>
We previouslyi pm'd each other a while back and you seem like a budding coin collector that truly enjoys the hobby.
Keep in mind that what you went through is a life experience event that will make you stronger and better if you treat it in a positive way as you have stated it will.
Also keep in mind that some of us will immediately forgive you and move on quickly with you in a positive way but may be wary of dealing with you on the BST except in small transactions, others will take longer to warm up to you once again, and still others will take as long as 5 years or longer before they fully trust you once again.
With Do not be discouraged by how long it takes to fully restore your reputation. You are only 22 and have a long future ahead of you.
Others had similar life experience events right here and can better explain what they went through.
ManofCoins, an older collector that I fully respect, also had "issues" on this very same board a few years back. He has stuck it through right here and after multiple years is completely back in with just about everyone's good graces. But it takes time. You cannot force the time element.
It is the nature of some posters to be more guarded than others. Do understand they they might have suffered before with others, sometimes even with their own family.
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I am not approving of what Comma did or even how he has handled it since. He has come on here to admit his mistake and apologize for it. As far as I know, he has never said anything about making it right. That would be a better step in the right direction. So don't get me wrong, I am not approving of anything, just pointing out that some of us would have never known the culprit if he didn't step forward. >>
You ever think he "manned up" because 50 members asked casman to PM them his name??? >>
I don;t think so:
<< <i>That is correct, I will not mention or PM this persons name. - Casman >>
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Wrong! How much you wanna bet members did get his name from Casman? >>
Ahhh. So now Casman is "questionable"?
The mob just doesn't quit does it? >>
You are seeing things that aren't there. Son, you just don't get it after multiple people have explained it to you. Please have an older member explain it to you via PM's. Quit wasting space here showing everyone that you fail to comprehend a simple concept. >>
'"Son", hmmm..
Please, you already accused Casman of giving out his name by PM and now you and another newbie who have only been on here from August 2011 are calling respected and established members out, not really a way to gain credibility, IMO.
A very short time later, he listed a few more items on the BST and received a plethora of comments about his recent (in)actions.
One of his items interested me, so I sent him an offer: he would need to mail the item to me, and after receipt of it, I would send the funds.
The sale went off without a hitch, and he was glad someone gave him another shot.
I do not think he posts here anymore, at least not under that old name, but some here will give you another shot. Regardless of your approach, realize that there are also those who will not do any deals with you, period. You will have to deal with that on your own.
You may want to consider that “ship first” approach if you decide to continue on the BST.
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I am not approving of what Comma did or even how he has handled it since. He has come on here to admit his mistake and apologize for it. As far as I know, he has never said anything about making it right. That would be a better step in the right direction. So don't get me wrong, I am not approving of anything, just pointing out that some of us would have never known the culprit if he didn't step forward. >>
You ever think he "manned up" because 50 members asked casman to PM them his name??? >>
I don;t think so:
<< <i>That is correct, I will not mention or PM this persons name. - Casman >>
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Wrong! How much you wanna bet members did get his name from Casman? >>
Ahhh. So now Casman is "questionable"?
The mob just doesn't quit does it? >>
You are seeing things that aren't there. Son, you just don't get it after multiple people have explained it to you. Please have an older member explain it to you via PM's. Quit wasting space here showing everyone that you fail to comprehend a simple concept. >>
'"Son", hmmm..
Please, you already accused Casman of giving out his name by PM and now you and another newbie who have only been on here from August 2011 are calling respected and established members out, not really a way to gain credibility, IMO. >>
Who says I'm a newbie? Join date means nothing. Are you one of the kids that signed up as a pre teen? Smoe people are better off minding their own business, like you.
I don't recall(and am sorry if I did miss it) seeing what Wondercoin asked...namely that Comma explain his side of what happened but leave the words "my father" out of it.
That to me seems to point to the real heart of the matter.. not deflecting blame on others for actions we ourselves undertake and are solely responsibe for.
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<< <i>I posted earlier about Comma "manning up". Some have replied to my comment saying that admitting it after being caught or outted is not manning up. This is my response to that. Casman never outted Comma. Instead, Casman said that he would not do that. Some of you may have deduced who the culprit was and many have said that they knew. However, I lurk here fairly often and post sometimes. I had no clue who the culprit was. I suspect many more of us also had no clue. So from where I sit, Comma did man up before he was outted. Maybe I am way off base because many of you spend more time here than I do and may have known much more than I. But for those of us who could not deduce who it was, it appears he did come forward and admit his wrongdoing. That is a step in the right direction.
I am not approving of what Comma did or even how he has handled it since. He has come on here to admit his mistake and apologize for it. As far as I know, he has never said anything about making it right. That would be a better step in the right direction. So don't get me wrong, I am not approving of anything, just pointing out that some of us would have never known the culprit if he didn't step forward. >>
You ever think he "manned up" because 50 members asked casman to PM them his name??? >>
I don;t think so:
<< <i>That is correct, I will not mention or PM this persons name. - Casman >>
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Wrong! How much you wanna bet members did get his name from Casman? >>
Ahhh. So now Casman is "questionable"?
The mob just doesn't quit does it? >>
You are seeing things that aren't there. Son, you just don't get it after multiple people have explained it to you. Please have an older member explain it to you via PM's. Quit wasting space here showing everyone that you fail to comprehend a simple concept. >>
You're a very funny fellow!
A little limited but funny none the less.
The name is LEE!
This, "manning up" after the fact, and what RYK said. I don't do the "gift thing'" - my customers don't ask. Yes, we need YN's. We need more truth. People all people will continue to do stupid things for a few base reasons. No one is fully exempt last I looked. Some of this was pretty dumb. We can only help and help, educate and learn. As usual.
I no longer remember whatever else I wanted to say
Eric