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Will PCGS ever create a duel grading scale?
JCB1983
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What I mean by this is the standard grading scale and one for naturally toned? I am sorry if this question is mildly absurd, but what reference guide are we currently using to pay our premiums for U.S. toned coinage? Say for instance a toned attribution was requested. Would it be too much if a mercury dime was graded as VF-35 (NT/6) or (T/6)? I would say that we are currently deciding prices based on simple hueristics. There is a huge market out there for toned coinage, but there is no reference guide or standard involved. With this new chemical sniffing tech. could we ever see a toned attribution?
~Jason
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Not all toning brings a premium.
Toning on circulated coins such as a vf35 brings no premium most of the time.
Eye appeal of toning will vary on series to series, whats a monster for a peace wont be a monster for a morgan
In addition eye appeal varies from person to person coin to coin, angle to angle
Overall this is a thinly traded market with lots of risk, too many variables, to have the toning graded.
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I think people duel over PCGS' grading scale all the time already.
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Unless you're talking about grading swords, a dual grading scale is unlikely.
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<< <i>It appears you are mixing up grading and value. Regardless, it is not up to PCGS to attempt to match a grade to how much someone will pay for an attribute. >>
Precisely that sort of thing occurred until recently, and perhaps still does: market grading, particularly the practice of putting a technical AU 55-58 coin into a low-MS holder, or bumping up a grade for nice color.
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<< <i>I'm sure they've already been accused of grading coins at 10 paces. >>
And a few seconds.
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CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
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If both parties miss their shots, then it's a tie. If they then call it quits, both win.
If both parties hit one another, then die, then nobody wins.
My opinion is that many different people like many different aspects of a coin- we don't need a designation on a label for every one of them.
Just my opinion though!
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I like the way ANACS originally graded coins, but then that's too much work for anyone to have to do, right?
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<< <i>What I mean by this is the standard grading scale and one for naturally toned?
~Jason >>
Not a chance IMO. I thought you were going to suggest the possibility of a 100-point grade along-side the (current) 70-point grade. This would be interesting and seen as a transition to a grading scale that been discussed off and on over the years, but never seriously. Either way, it's an interesting conversation topic, though I don't think it will ever happen because it will add confusion to everyone involved and confusion is not good for the industry.
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<< <i>Duels are easy to grade. Whoever is still standing at the end wins.
If both parties miss their shots, then it's a tie. If they then call it quits, both win.
If both parties hit one another, then die, then nobody wins. >>
Ha, exactly what I was thinking
They should have just left it UNC (BU)....ch bu.....gem bu and surpurb bu. Any further break down is a crapshoot!
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this seems to be the eye appeal/toning scale, no?
eye appeal guidelines
other numbered scale & more
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<< <i>There are tooooooooooooo many grades now! Especially MS. There are 11 grades of UNC. With the + that makes 22. Then 11 plain with Bean. then 11 with + and bean. Then 11 plain with gold bean. Then 11 with + and gold bean. That's what....66 grades of UNC. Anybody that says you can fit an UNC coin into 1 of those 66 grades is a BOLDFACE liar!!!
They should have just left it UNC (BU)....ch bu.....gem bu and surpurb bu. Any further break down is a crapshoot!
JMHO! >>
BINGO! You got it dimeman.
<< <i> I think that is the first time golfer72 has ever agreed with me. >>
LOL! Really? You got this one right though. If it makes you feel any better though I dont like dimes.