Would this bust 50c cross to our host without going down in grade.

jzbrown · January 2, 2012 4:54AM

tydye · January 2, 2012 4:56AM

I would say no. Looks like a 50 to me. Keep it in the holder it is in. Those small ANACs ones are getting more and more desirable.

stealer · January 2, 2012 5:06AM

<< I would say no. Looks like a 50 to me. Keep it in the holder it is in. Those small ANACs ones are getting more and more desirable. >>

I don't know about the statement that they are getting more desirable, most if not all of them have already been cherrypicked for the undergraded ones and correctly graded ones. The ones that are left are overgraded circs like the OP.

lkeigwin · January 2, 2012 5:12AM

No, I don't think so. Here's a 58 for comparison.
Lance.

shorecoll · January 2, 2012 5:15AM

It's a nice original coin, but not a 58...keep it where it is.

jzbrown · January 2, 2012 5:17AM

Thanks, compared to that example of a 58 no way. Guess it stays where it is. It looks good in that little holder anyway.

STONE · January 2, 2012 5:28AM

Definitely not better than a 53, and likely just a 50 as tydye mentioned.

Sonorandesertrat · January 2, 2012 5:37AM

I agree with the others. That CBH won't cross at grade.

Elcontador · January 2, 2012 5:45AM

NGC is notorious for overgrading CBHs, and this coin is no exception.

Moldnut · January 2, 2012 5:48AM

<< NGC is notorious for overgrading CBHs, and this coin is no exception. >>

JRocco · January 2, 2012 5:55AM

<< 
... most if not all of them have already been cherrypicked for the undergraded ones and correctly graded ones. The ones that are left are overgraded circs like the OP. >>

balderdash

scoobydeux · January 2, 2012 5:57AM

No chance of crossing whatsoever.

45/50 depensing on the day.

TPRC · January 2, 2012 5:58AM

No way!

JRocco · January 2, 2012 6:03AM

Nice coin
Based on the apparent wear seen above her eye I would call her a solid 55 with a weak strike.
This variety is available with a much stronger strike so I don't think the weakness is due to the dies, just
a very poor strike.
But the only way to really tell is with the coin in hand. Look at it at a strong angle with a good light source and
you should be able to see the difference between wear and a weak strike.

CoinJunkie · January 2, 2012 6:08AM

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<< 
... most if not all of them have already been cherrypicked for the undergraded ones and correctly graded ones. The ones that are left are overgraded circs like the OP. >>

balderdash >>

Well, the original statement is probably hyperbole ("most if not all"), but certainly it's trending in that direction...

JRocco · January 2, 2012 6:12AM

<< 

<< 

<< 
... most if not all of them have already been cherrypicked for the undergraded ones and correctly graded ones. The ones that are left are overgraded circs like the OP. >>

balderdash >>

Well, the original statement is probably hyperbole ("most if not all"), but certainly it's trending in that direction... >>

Much too general a statement CJ
Just like the claim that all good coins are already slabbed or there is a reason they aren't.
There are a LOT of coins out there that haven't seen the light of day in decades. Now when they appear
many are going into top plastic for registry sets and just because there are a lot of plastic weenies out there.

66Tbird · January 2, 2012 6:37AM

<< Nice coin
Based on the apparent wear seen above her eye I would call her a solid 55 with a weak strike.
This variety is available with a much stronger strike so I don't think the weakness is due to the dies, just
a very poor strike.
But the only way to really tell is with the coin in hand. Look at it at a strong angle with a good light source and
you should be able to see the difference between wear and a weak strike. >>

I agree, and well stated.

mkman123 · January 2, 2012 6:41AM

Naw keep it in the anacs holder

291fifth · January 2, 2012 7:19AM

Not even close to 58. I'd grade it 45.

golden · January 2, 2012 7:54AM

Not close.

AnkurJ · January 2, 2012 7:55AM

No chance. 50 or 53 at best.

thisnamztaken · January 2, 2012 8:14AM

Like everyone else has stated, it's definitely not a 58, so keep it in its present cozy cottage.

Cam40 · January 2, 2012 8:47AM

I don`t think the flatness overall is from circulation wear but from a weak stiking.
Doesn`t look AU but I think it is. (5)8 though does seem pushing it.

JRocco · January 2, 2012 8:59AM

<< I don`t think the flatness overall is from circulation wear but from a weak stiking.
Doesn`t look AU but I think it is. (5)8 though does seem pushing it. >>

Here is an 1833 I have in NGC 53 plastic also weakly struck.
Notice the wear pattern on my coin at the top of her cap, her cheek and bustline. I don't see wear like this on the OP coin. I see a very lustrous coin with what looks to my eyes like a flat strike with only a touch of wear. I am not seeing wear on the cheek or bust on the OP coin, only luster...beautiful luster at that. Older ANACS holders were usually graded correctly and commonly on the tight side. The ANACS graders saw the OP's coin raw in their grading room under perfect grading conditions and called it a 58.
58 is not a grade ANACS would normally throw around at that time unless the coin was darn near MS, in my opinion of course.

tydye · January 2, 2012 9:15AM

jrocco changed my mind on my initially assigned grade. High AU. I still see little hope of it crossing to PCGS though. My experience with weak strike AUs and PCGS have not been good.

mozin · January 2, 2012 10:11AM

Normally, I would expect the CBH in that era holder from ANACS to be more conservatively graded than AU58. 1833 usually comes with a solid strike, or even excellent. The pictures are a little blurred, but I would not expect more than an AU50 from PCGS, a 53 if the graders are in a good mood.

robkool · January 2, 2012 11:16AM

A nicely toned AU55... Just leave it in it's holder.

breakdown · January 2, 2012 12:00PM

A couple thoughts:
1. I have always thought CBHs are really hard to grade because wear v. weak strike is difficult to determine, particularly from images. This thread only further confuses me.

2. I don't know the proper grade but that is a nice looking coin.

3. Some people pretty knowledgeable about the series seem to have some widely varying opinions.

4. Balderdash is a great word. We should all try to work it into more conversations, posts, etc.

stman · January 2, 2012 12:19PM

I don't think it will cross at grade. However, I do understand what my friend JRocco is saying about weak strike. There is weakness, but not all of it on obverse is weak me thinks. That JRocco knows what he's talking about. As always luster rules to determine where in AU it really sits. When there is a weak strike you gotta go to an area on the coin that might not be weakly struck, if there is one. On this one I go to the reverse and see enough wear to convince me it's not an au-58. Of course all this just my worthless opinion.

JRocco · January 2, 2012 12:35PM

<< I don't think it will cross at grade. However, I do understand what my friend JRocco is saying about weak strike. There is weakness, but not all of it on obverse is weak me thinks. That JRocco knows what he's talking about. As always luster rules to determine where in AU it really sits. When there is a weak strike you gotta go to an area on the coin that might not be weakly struck, if there is one. On this one I go to the reverse and see enough wear to convince me it's not an au-58. Of course all this just my worthless opinion. >>

It's New Years so I am taking the ball and running with it and assuming that stman agreed with everything I said...maybe that would be a Christmas present too

I would expect to see our hosts putting this in a 53 slab...50 if graded on Monday because they are really tough on AU CBH's, but I still see a 55 all day long based mainly on her luster.
I think anyone calling this anything lower than a 50 is either seeing it wrong or just doesn't know this series, in my opinion again of course.
I just want to add that I really like the OP coin and think she would be a steal at 50 money, weak strike and all.
And in case I haven't said it in a while, it would be good to remember that he is one smart man that stman.

edited to add - it would be easy to use the word balderdash on these boards regularly....

stman · January 2, 2012 1:05PM

<< it would be easy to use the word balderdash on these boards regularly.... >>

Now THAT deserves best post of the year...... so far

robec · January 2, 2012 1:05PM

<< NGC is notorious for overgrading CBHs, and this coin is no exception. >>

So it's NGC's fault that ANACS overgraded this CBH??

Bochiman · January 2, 2012 1:22PM

I doubt it.
Opened the thread and few impressions are a 45/50 (bad day/good day). Saw the current grade of AU58 and I really doubt it.

Bochiman · January 2, 2012 1:26PM

<< 

<< NGC is notorious for overgrading CBHs, and this coin is no exception. >>

So it's NGC's fault that ANACS overgraded this CBH?? >>

LOL - After I "graded" the coin from the pictures, I went back to read the comments and saw the above about NGC as well........was shaking my head trying to figure out how something shown as clearly as the older ANACS holder could be mistaken for NGC

Would this bust 50c cross to our host without going down in grade.

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