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Yet another coin theft!! Including 7,000 2011 ASE's and 30 AGE's!!!!!

GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 18,508 ✭✭✭✭✭
Why do people leave this kind of loot in their homes??

From ABC15, Sedona, AZ

Cash, coins stolen from Sedona home
By: Deborah Stocks


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Courtesy YCSO
Pictured are some of the items stolen from a home
in the 11500 block of Boynton Pass Road, Sedona.

SEDONA, Ariz. - Deputies in northern Arizona are looking for the public's help after a home was burglarized and thousands of dollars in coins, and cash were taken.

Yavapai County Sheriff's spokesman Dwight D'Evelyn said that on December 9 deputies were called to a home on Boynton Pass Road in Sedona just before 8 p.m. for a report of a burglary.

The resident had returned home to find glass in a back door smashed out and believing someone may have been inside waited with a neighbor until deputies could safely clear the home.

No suspects were found and when the resident went through the home she found a storage room door had been pried open and gold and silver pieces valued in the thousands of dollars were gone.

Also missing was $80,000 in cash in bank envelopes.

D'Evelyn said the exact value of the items is still being determined.

YCSO is asking anyone with information about the burglary to call Det. John Johnson at 928-554-8575 or Yavapai Silent Witness at 800-932-3232. Callers to Silent Witness remain anonymous and will eligible for a cash reward if an arrest is made in the case.

Also, anyone with information or questions can contact the YCSO at 928-771-3260 or the YCSO website .

ABC15 Link


AP................

SEDONA, Ariz. — Deputies in Yavapai County says someone broke into a Sedona home and stole thousands of silver coins, bars of silver, gold coins and $80,000 in cash.

A sheriff's statement says the break-in was discovered on Dec. 9 when a woman arrived home and found glass in her back door broken out.

A sheriff's statement says the breaking was not initially made public because detectives were pursuing leads.

Among the items stolen were 7,000 one-ounce 2011 American Silver Eagles Coins, 15 South African Krugerands, 20 ten-pound bars of silver, 20 five-pound bars of silver, 30 American Gold Eagles with Canadian Maple Leaves and $80,000 cash. The exact value hasn't been determined.

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    "Why do people leave this kind of loot in their homes??"

    For a while there on kitco there was a "dead pool" for banks going under , people betting which was next and no shortage of them failing.Around the same time there was a thread both here and there about police in london busting open peoples private SDB's under a pretext of looking for criminal evidence , guns and the like. I can understand why people don't trust banks.

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    taxmadtaxmad Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭✭
    Either the robbers knew her or knew someone who knew her...

    I will also lay odds a local IRS auditor will have her tax return on their screen first thing in Monday morning making sure she has reported taxable income that would enable that amount of metal/cash
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    7000 ASEs? That 437.5 pounds. Plus another 300 pounds of silver bars. The thieves needed to use a truck or van.
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    14 monster boxes , each quite portable plus the bars , wouldn't take long to load.
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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,650 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>7000 ASEs? That 437.5 pounds. Plus another 300 pounds of silver bars. The thieves needed to use a truck or van. >>

    A Honda Civic with the back seats down can take care of 750 pounds easily...trust me, I used to own one and used a Honda Civic to MOVE once. It wasn't pretty but it worked. A van or truck would have been quicker to load the stuff into but just about ANYTHING would have worked.
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    SpeedieSpeedie Posts: 104 ✭✭
    Assuming the listed contents are true, would it really have been too much to only buy 6,800 ASEs and invest the other $6K in a honking big safe and an alarm system? Not blaming the victim per se, but someone capable of making those kinds of purchases should also be capable of evaluating the risk posed by them and taking some countermeasures. A storage room door being pried open was all that it took? Really?



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    "Either the robbers knew her or knew someone who knew her..."


    Totally agree , going by the initial report the robber knew exactly where to find the goods.I can understand the PM's being behind door # 1 , it's the 80k in cash laying around i have trouble with.

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    OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's too much to keep at home. Most should have been kept in bank safe deposit boxes. Three at my bank could have handled that stash.

    Some people worry too much about supposed government plans to confiscate SDB contents but not enough about common theft.
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    Coins101Coins101 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭
    Sedona = Retirees

    Let see, with banks failure, 1% returns on savings and all the reports of crooks in the stock market, hedge funds, Enron, Madoff (ponzi schemes) , etc a lot of older people who crimped and saved for their money are stuffing the mattress rather than giving it to those "crooks."
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Proper home security would have prevented this.... not a case of where it was stored, rather how it was stored. Cheers, RickO
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    << <i>That's too much to keep at home. Most should have been kept in bank safe deposit boxes. Three at my bank could have handled that stash.

    Some people worry too much about supposed government plans to confiscate SDB contents but not enough about common theft. >>



    In all fairness i think this individual was particularly challanged in the smarts dept , not even an alarm for when she goes out apparantly and a pretty poor hiding place.I think taxmad nailed it , somebody knew it was there and nothing is going to save you from that.Loose lips (and pm porn threads) sink ships as they say.
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    << <i>7000 ASEs? That 437.5 pounds. Plus another 300 pounds of silver bars. The thieves needed to use a truck or van. >>

    A Honda Civic with the back seats down can take care of 750 pounds easily...trust me, I used to own one and used a Honda Civic to MOVE once. It wasn't pretty but it worked. A van or truck would have been quicker to load the stuff into but just about ANYTHING would have worked. >>



    I would prefer using a couple MINI Coopers myself.image
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    SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>7000 ASEs? That 437.5 pounds. Plus another 300 pounds of silver bars. The thieves needed to use a truck or van. >>

    A Honda Civic with the back seats down can take care of 750 pounds easily...trust me, I used to own one and used a Honda Civic to MOVE once. It wasn't pretty but it worked. A van or truck would have been quicker to load the stuff into but just about ANYTHING would have worked. >>



    I would prefer using a couple MINI Coopers myself.image >>



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    commacomma Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭
    Wouldn't someone like this at least have home insurance?
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    droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wouldn't someone like this at least have home insurance? >>



    Probably not covered unless there was a rider.
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    Hard to feel sorry for someone who kept almost half a million dollars in metals and cash in a "storage locker" in their home and lost it to a burglary.


    7,000 ASE's @ $30 each = $210,000

    300 lbs of silver bars = 4,350oz @ $30 = $130,000

    45oz of gold @ $1600 = $72,000

    Plus $80,000 in cash



    Total of $492,000.



    If this person invested just 3% of that wealth in a safe and home alarm security system, this would have turned out MUCH differently. Im sorry she was victimized, but she was just stupid to have that kind of stash in some "storage locker" in a house with no alarm system.
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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,092 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Wouldn't someone like this at least have home insurance? >>



    Homeowner's insurance policies generally cover only a minimal amount for coins, cash and bullion. It might be in the $500-$2,500 range. To obtain coverage using homeowner's insurance was at one time incredibly expensive, but I do not know if that has come down. Most likely, private insurance through a firm specializing in this type of material would have been much less expensive.
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    My customers are like these people.....they call me to install security........after they get robbed.

    Who in their right mind would keep that stuff in a house without a monster floor safe??????


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    WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Why do people leave this kind of loot in their homes?? >>



    They're the same people who don't trust banks or government and consider buying insurance a form of gambling. They would rather trust their security to luck until they learn the hard way.

    Some people spend too much time preoccupied with the so-called "new world order" and not enough time deterring common style crimes.
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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's some serious bullion.
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    If she failed to invest in alarm system or safe, it's fair to say she didn't have the bullion insured. It's nearly impossible to insure that much bullion with an alarm and safe, w/o them, I doubt there's an insurance company around willing to take that type if risk. I hope they catch the the thieves.
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    GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Made me wonder if this person freaked out in 2011(since the ASEs were all 2011) and moved their savings into bullion.
    It could have got some bad attention, moving cash from the bank and mentioning putting it in bullion or even having all the monster boxes shipped is going to get attention. All it takes is one person telling the wrong person and this happens.
    Much safer not to keep that kind of stuff at home.
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    fcfc Posts: 12,805 ✭✭✭
    I always wonder why people keep it all in one spot... Why not get a tiny bit devious
    and bury some in the backyard, put some on the top shelf of your cupboard, paint
    a 100 ounce silver bar an use it for a door stop, put some in a tool box downstairs,
    etc... My goodness, spread that around in several good spots if you have to keep
    it at home and refuse to pay several thousand dollars to protect it.

    Make it somewhat hard for someone to steal it all in 30 minutes.
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    << <i>7000 ASEs? That 437.5 pounds. Plus another 300 pounds of silver bars. The thieves needed to use a truck or van. >>

    A Honda Civic with the back seats down can take care of 750 pounds easily...trust me, I used to own one and used a Honda Civic to MOVE once. It wasn't pretty but it worked. A van or truck would have been quicker to load the stuff into but just about ANYTHING would have worked. >>



    Funny, I'm attempting to move with my Civic tomorrow.

    Sad news, but it's silly to leave your stash all in one spot...if I were them I'd take my chances with the banks and at least leave some in a large SDB.
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    nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Assuming the listed contents are true, would it really have been too much to only buy 6,800 ASEs and invest the other $6K in a honking big safe and an alarm system? Not blaming the victim per se, but someone capable of making those kinds of purchases should also be capable of evaluating the risk posed by them and taking some countermeasures. A storage room door being pried open was all that it took? Really? >>



    Even having this stuff at home and in a safe is frightening IMHO ...
    If it was a situation where the thief knew that they had the stuff at home- then the occupants of the home would be at great risk of physical harm as the crooks 'pressed' them into giving up the details of how to get the safe open... There have been far too many (and 1 is too many)
    cases of folks being beaten in their homes as the crooks try to get at the loot. And they get MAD when they can't get to it fast enough, they think you're holding out, and they've got a monkey gnawing at their neck...

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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    7000 ASEs? That 437.5 pounds. Plus another 300 pounds of silver bars. The thieves needed to use a truck or van.


    If this is true, it would be difficult to find two coin dealers who could carpool to a show in anything smaller than a truck or van.
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    JimDepotJimDepot Posts: 960 ✭✭✭
    My first thought was "boating accident".
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    SONOMOSCASONOMOSCA Posts: 430 ✭✭✭
    Looks like they caught the thief. No Happy Holidays for him! LINK
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    DuPapaDuPapa Posts: 495 ✭✭
    Hope they find it all.
    TEMPE, Ariz. -- Authorities uncovered items buried in a remote desert area that were stolen during a robbery.

    Investigators arrested Oshin Thomas, 33, at an apartment on Mill Avenue in Tempe for the theft.

    It all began in early December when someone stole $600,000 worth of gold and silver coins from a home in Sedona.

    It turns out Thomas had business dealings with the owner.

    Yavapai County sheriff's deputies started digging around and discovered some of the coins buried in the desert.

    Now the hunt is on for the rest of the coins, some of which investigators say may be buried in California.
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