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seanqseanq Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
Taking up DIMEMAN's challenge, for which of the selected esoteric collectibles would you pay a premium?


Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Like I said Sean - Most people will not vote their true feelings for fear of offending someone.
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also define "significant premium".

    I paid a big premium for my 1936/29-S.......BUT NO WHERE NEAR the premium paid for the NGC black slab. And I was buying a coin and not a piece of plastic a certain color.
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think you misunderstand the word esoteric as applied to numismatics
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,042 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "significant" is one of those words that really says nothing; it needs to be quantified much more specifically in order to give an intelligent response.
    When in doubt, don't.
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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Like I said Sean - Most people will not vote their true feelings for fear of offending someone. >>




    Offending whom, me?! Man, I've been around here long enough that I hope people know I'm okay with my opinions being proved wrong.

    The only thing that could possibly offend me on this thread is the fact that you get to use a bigger avatar than me. image


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,232 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The poll has too many ways of directly answering the question with any detail, but I chose the NGC black slab.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think you misunderstand the word esoteric as applied to numismatics >>




    I meant "limited to a small circle" and/or "of special, rare, or unusual interest", as defined here, but between my use of that word and "significant" I think the poll results are already moot*.


    Sean Reynolds

    * did I use that one right?
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,389 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the black slab works.
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    Lehigh96Lehigh96 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The poll has too many ways of directly answering the question with any detail, but I chose the NGC black slab. >>



    +1
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    DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As I mentioned indirectly in the other NGC Black thread, I had only owned my NGC Black for an hour before the opportunity to sell arrived via PM. I think there are more NGC Black collectors out there than we realize.

    Drunner
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,389 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>A PCGS graded 1936/1929-S Mercury dime >>

    I don't even know what that is. image

    An overdate, I presume?

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,810 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Like I said Sean - Most people will not vote their true feelings for fear of offending someone. >>



    How can you determine how anyone votes? Aren't these polls like a secret ballot?

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,337 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>A PCGS graded 1936/1929-S Mercury dime >>

    I don't even know what that is. image

    An overdate, I presume? >>




    Ditto.

    It sure sounds interesting.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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    tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    I would pay a significant premium for an NGC black slab for the sole purpose to flip. Then again, my "significant premium" probably won't be as high as others.
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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

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    << <i>A PCGS graded 1936/1929-S Mercury dime >>

    I don't even know what that is. image

    An overdate, I presume? >>




    Ditto.

    It sure sounds interesting. >>



    Guess how I voted. image

    Here are a couple of images from my website.

    image
    image

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

    I voted since I have actually purchased one of these. Ha ha ha ha ha.
    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
    Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner. :smile:
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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image

    I voted since I have actually purchased one of these. Ha ha ha ha ha. >>



    You don't want to know what I paid for mine!

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,337 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like the overdate but would wager it's not a 29 underneath.

    I think it might be a bungled 1927. There's no obvious way that they could even bungle these, though.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I like the overdate but would wager it's not a 29 underneath.

    I think it might be a bungled 1927. There's no obvious way that they could even bungle these, though. >>



    Someone did some overlay on the date and I think 28 lined up the best. There is always contraversy when this "possible overdate" issue comes up. The two under the three is the most obvious on the coin, but which year is the 2 from or if it is really a 2 may never get answered. The Cherrypickers' Guide claims they have done the overlays with 1929.

    To date the first image I have posted is by far the best example I have seen. I have 4 in PCGS holders with my best grade being MS66. I have a couple raw coins, too.

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

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    It would be nice to have a nice old Large Cent in an envelope with a grade scratched out and then a numerical grade added instead and the signature Sheldon image

    Eric
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    ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

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    << <i>A PCGS graded 1936/1929-S Mercury dime >>

    I don't even know what that is. image

    An overdate, I presume? >>




    Ditto.

    It sure sounds interesting. >>



    Guess how I voted. image

    Here are a couple of images from my website.

    image

    Not seeing an overdate here. Voted for the Black slab.
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,337 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    Not seeing an overdate here. Voted for the Black slab. >>



    The 2 is apparent enough. I believe the line to the left of the 6 is about perfect
    for a 1927 dime. It is confirmed by the angle of the 7 barely visible to the right
    of the 6. The problem then is the underlying 9 is in entirely the wrong position.

    It's strange they'd dig up an seven or nine year old die or hub to be making a die
    in 1936. I can't think of any justification. But mintages were up sharply in 1936
    to the highest ever. Perhaps it was late in the year and they were desperate to
    fill another order.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The poll has too many ways of directly answering the question with any detail, but I chose the NGC black slab. >>



    I choose none of the above, butI can understand why someone else would.

    However, if I had to make a choice of the three for me, it would be the Black Slab. MJ
    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    >>>However, if I had to make a choice of the three for me, it would be the Black Slab. MJ <<<

    So, you are saying you would rather have a different colored slab than a rare coin?
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think he's saying (and I agree) that the black slab would be the easiest of the 3 to resell

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

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    GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    I'm holding out for a 1936/1929-S dime with a clip in an NGC black slab.

    Yea it'll be a long wait image
    Ed
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>>>>However, if I had to make a choice of the three for me, it would be the Black Slab. MJ <<<

    So, you are saying you would rather have a different colored slab than a rare coin? >>



    No. What is wrong with you?

    Like TomB, given the choices of those items I would rather have the Black Slab. It's a rare piece of exonumia that I would appreciate. They are cool. The dime and the penny I have zero interest in. Less then zero actually. I would not appreciate them. I would understand those that might. MJ
    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You do realize that the only reason there are not many black slabs remaining is because most were cracked out for upgrade or crossover or other reasons. Slabs really have nothing to do with coin collecting.
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You do realize that the only reason there are not many black slabs remaining is because most were cracked out for upgrade or crossover or other reasons. Slabs really have nothing to do with coin collecting. >>



    You are at least getting warm. No one said they had anything to do with coin collecting. They have everything to do with collecting exonumia. Lot's of coin collectors collect exonumia to enrich/enhance their collections and to pacify their collecting urges while they lay in wait.

    The reason the Black Slabs are rare/scarce is because so few remain intact for exactly the reason you stated.

    MJ
    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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    rec78rec78 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>A PCGS graded 1936/1929-S Mercury dime >>

    I don't even know what that is. image

    An overdate, I presume? >>


    image

    I did not know of this overdate either. I change my vote to this coin as it is probably not too well known and is a neat overdate and most likely way underpriced at this time. I buy coins-not plastic.
    Bob
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've yet to understand that dime thing...did PCGS actually recognize this and write it on a label?
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    >>>I think he's saying (and I agree) that the black slab would be the easiest of the 3 to resell <<<

    I think the owner of the $2500+ black slab would be hard pressed to sell and not lose money.

    I wish I would have kept the ones I broke out...since it doesn't matter if it has a coin or not! image
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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>You do realize that the only reason there are not many black slabs remaining is because most were cracked out for upgrade or crossover or other reasons. Slabs really have nothing to do with coin collecting. >>



    You are at least getting warm. No one said they had anything to do with coin collecting. They have everything to do with collecting exonumia. Lot's of coin collectors collect exonumia to enrich/enhance their collections and to pacify their collecting urges while they lay in wait.

    The reason the Black Slabs are rare/scarce is because so few remain intact for exactly the reason you stated.

    MJ >>




    I made a long post on the thread that spawned this poll making exactly the point above, but I know better than to think it will sway anyone's opinion on the matter.

    I'd say more about how I really feel, but I don't want to offend anyone. image


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>>>>I think he's saying (and I agree) that the black slab would be the easiest of the 3 to resell <<<

    I think the owner of the $2500+ black slab would be hard pressed to sell and not lose money.

    I wish I would have kept the ones I broke out...since it doesn't matter if it has a coin or not! image >>



    While you're wishing, can you wish for my step-mother not to throw away my baseball cards and comic books. image


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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    DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jon . . .

    I freely admit that one case does not a fair sampling make, but I have tried to be discreet in several prior posts about the NGC Black Peace dollar I have, and I am not sure discretion is working, so I will be more clear now. I was able to get the holder on a BIN/Best offer listed at $2500 for a best offer of $2250. I posted proudly the minute it arrived at my home. Never thought I'd be lucky enough to ever get one, and at the time the Census was at 14 total.

    In under an hour I had a hard offer via PM of $4000. I would not be that hard pressed to recoup my ridiculous waste of money. It's just that I want the example more than I want the $4000.

    Drunner
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>You do realize that the only reason there are not many black slabs remaining is because most were cracked out for upgrade or crossover or other reasons. Slabs really have nothing to do with coin collecting. >>



    You are at least getting warm. No one said they had anything to do with coin collecting. They have everything to do with collecting exonumia. Lot's of coin collectors collect exonumia to enrich/enhance their collections and to pacify their collecting urges while they lay in wait. >>


    100% agree. Although I spend most of my time and energy collecting and researching coin boards (which I love), my greatest passion is for Buffalo nickels. Unfortunately, I purchase only 1 or 2 coins per year which does little to satiate my need to collect. Thus my interest in coin boards.

    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It's just that I want the example more than I want the $4000. >>



    Jeff - This statement confirms you are a true collector. Good for you!


    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Like I said Sean - Most people will not vote their true feelings for fear of offending someone. >>

    image It's an ANONYMOUS poll ... geez. How can somebody be worried about offending others when they don't even have to be accountable for their own vote? image
    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    Maybe I should have voted for the black slab....image

    Naa...

    Here is a bad photo, but you can see the label FS-110 is the variety.

    image

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    <--- I updated my icon... image

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i><--- I updated my icon... image >>




    Nooooooo
    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
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    KoveKove Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭✭
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I voted none of the above...and those who know me, understand full well, that I do not care if and when I offend anyone.... image Cheers, RickO
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    >>>In under an hour I had a hard offer via PM of $4000.<<< And you didn't take it!

    You know what most people would say about this...don't ya!?image
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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>>>>In under an hour I had a hard offer via PM of $4000.<<< And you didn't take it!

    You know what most people would say about this...don't ya!?image >>




    No, but I know what you would say. It would be refreshing if you would stop thinking you speak for everyone (especially those polite people who only pretend to disagree with you so they don't offend someone). Regardless of how many voices you are hearing, collectively you are entitled to just one opinion.


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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    Would love to own a black slab I just usually don't have an extra $2500 laying around to grab one. As far as rarities are concerned... folks not being criticized for what they like to collect would be super rare around here....the audacity of some folks is mind boggling.

    If I spend X premium for a toned coin I am stupid, if I pay X premium for a rare slab I am stupid, if I pay X premium for a Morgan Vam I have to see with a loop I am stupid......what's really stupid is being so concerned how others spend their money that you would have the nerve to call someone's collecting style stupid. image
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    would have the nerve to call someone's collecting style stupid

    You know what Forrest Gump's mother always said..

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

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    << <i> would have the nerve to call someone's collecting style stupid

    You know what Forrest Gump's mother always said.. >>




    It was a movie...not Shakespeare image
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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Me wonders how many casted their votes for
    None of the above, but I can understand why someone else would

    because they qualify for
    none of the above, and I think anyone who does is beyond STUPID

    image

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not bringing this thread back to beat a dead horse, but only to say I NEVER intended for anyone to think I was calling DRUNNER stupid. My point was that "to me" that kind of money for a slab was stupid.

    I should have said "crazy" or "moon" money so as to not to infer that DRUNNER is stupid because he is not and has the right to buy anything he wants at any price he wants. As everybody here does.

    Different strokes for different folks. image

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