Looking for help with a technical grade...

cameron12x · December 9, 2011 2:26PM

Thoughts on a technical grade?

Also, if you owned this coin would you send it in for grading? Thanks!

erwindoc · December 9, 2011 7:25PM

Torn between EF/AU.

cameron12x · December 10, 2011 12:50AM

<< Torn between EF/AU. >>

Thanks very much for your feedback... much appreciated! Do you have much experience with early southern gold?

I know that often times that weak strikes were the norm in this period for this denomination. From what I understand, the obverse can typically show a full grade higher than the reverse on this particular issue.

I'd love to have additional opinions... please chime in, even if you don't have any experience with early southern gold!

MikeInFL · December 10, 2011 1:31AM

AU 50

cameron12x · December 10, 2011 3:01AM

<< AU 50 >>

Thanks for the feedback... if I may ask, do you have any experience with southern gold?

BillJones · December 10, 2011 3:41AM

The sharpness grade is AU-50 or 55, but the surfaces look like they have been brushed with lots of hairlines. This might be the result of a photo that show more than is really there, so it might not be a problem. There also appears to be depression on the check which is probably damage. This might be the reason why the eagle’s neck in flat on the reverse, but I’ve see the coin in person to determine that.

This date is noted for have depressions on the cheek from some substance, perhaps dirt adhering to the obverse die. This appears to more than that.

I’d say the net grade on this piece is somewhere in the Choice VF to EF level. I might have a different take if I saw the coin in person.

Here is an AU-55 that is in my collection.

GoldClause · December 10, 2011 3:50AM

XF40

Baley · December 10, 2011 4:18AM

I'm curious why you specified "technical" grade?

Anyway, I'd say technical XF45 based on the pics because of the surface condition, market probably AU53 because of the "southern gold" effect

Coinerww2 · December 10, 2011 5:08AM

I would say 45 but might go 50/55 if sent to NGC.

shorecoll · December 10, 2011 8:50AM

I like 45...does show a weak strike, especially compared to Bill's.

lordmarcovan · December 10, 2011 9:00AM

AU50.

Or EF45 at the very least.

I've had one or two in EF40 (old ANACS small holder, as I recall), and they didn't have near that amount of detail.

Didn't have the magical mintmark over the date, either.

Wow.

cameron12x · December 10, 2011 9:03AM

The depression on the cheek is a planchet flaw (I've seen it replicated exactly on other examples of this issue).

It appears by consensus that on a technical basis it would be fair to call this coin at least a XF-40?

If there has been a mild cleaning (consequently preventing grading), how does one estimate a fair market value?

So, chime in... how much "might" she be worth?

GRANDAM · December 10, 2011 9:24AM

XF-40

GrandAm

astrorat · December 10, 2011 9:27AM

<< The depression on the cheek is a planchet flaw (I've seen it replicated exactly on other examples of this issue). >>

If you really mean "exactly" as in the same mark in the same spot, then it's not a planchet flaw. It's either a defect in the die or a repeating depression. If it's a repeating depression, then you are dealing with a series of counterfeits.

cameron12x · December 10, 2011 9:57AM

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<< The depression on the cheek is a planchet flaw (I've seen it replicated exactly on other examples of this issue). >>

If you really mean "exactly" as in the same mark in the same spot, then it's not a planchet flaw. It's either a defect in the die or a repeating depression. If it's a repeating depression, then you are dealing with a series of counterfeits. >>

Here is the example that I'm referring to:

Link

What are your thoughts?

stealer · December 10, 2011 10:04AM

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<< The depression on the cheek is a planchet flaw (I've seen it replicated exactly on other examples of this issue). >>

If you really mean "exactly" as in the same mark in the same spot, then it's not a planchet flaw. It's either a defect in the die or a repeating depression. If it's a repeating depression, then you are dealing with a series of counterfeits. >>

Here is the example that I'm referring to:

Link

What are your thoughts? >>

Seems that the HA does in fact have a similar depression as your coin.

I know it's unrelated but I remember you mentioning that this coin was stolen? Did you get it back?

cameron12x · December 10, 2011 10:09AM

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<< The depression on the cheek is a planchet flaw (I've seen it replicated exactly on other examples of this issue). >>

If you really mean "exactly" as in the same mark in the same spot, then it's not a planchet flaw. It's either a defect in the die or a repeating depression. If it's a repeating depression, then you are dealing with a series of counterfeits. >>

Here is the example that I'm referring to:

Link

What are your thoughts? >>

Seems that the HA does in fact have a similar depression as your coin.

I know it's unrelated but I remember you mentioning that this coin was stolen? Did you get it back? >>

Nope, never got it back... The major reason for this thread is to help me further determine my write-off cost/loss. The emotional loss is gone, but I'll never see this coin again.

Gemineye · December 10, 2011 10:22AM

I"ll take a shot with a .45..ef..

astrorat · December 10, 2011 11:14AM

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<< The depression on the cheek is a planchet flaw (I've seen it replicated exactly on other examples of this issue). >>

If you really mean "exactly" as in the same mark in the same spot, then it's not a planchet flaw. It's either a defect in the die or a repeating depression. If it's a repeating depression, then you are dealing with a series of counterfeits. >>

Here is the example that I'm referring to:

Link

What are your thoughts? >>

Since these are two different coins with what appears to be the same depression in the portrait AND they both have been authenticated by PCGS, I am betting heavily on die damage of some sort.

Generally, repeating depressions are small and difficult to spot and appear like the exact same "bag mark" on multiple coins (which, of course, is impossible).

Oh ... sorry to hear about the theft.

Looking for help with a technical grade...

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