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PSA 9 Graded Cello Pack That Has Yellow Scotch Tape On Back? 1984 Fleer

kingbeeswaxkingbeeswax Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭
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I just got in the mail from Ebay a 1984 Fleer Baseball cello and on the back of the actual pack there is a piece of yellow aged scotch tape. Anyone ever hear of something like this? What is going on here? The pack was graded a PSA 9 with Mattingly on front. Scans coming tonight. Thanks
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    swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭
    this should be good...


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    tsalems1tsalems1 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭✭✭
    could this be the pack?
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    kingbeeswaxkingbeeswax Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭


    << <i>could this be the pack? >>



    Yes, with no scan of the back on the listing. I didn't think I would have to worry about something like this..
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    tsalems1tsalems1 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭✭✭
    cant wait to see the pics...
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    kingbeeswaxkingbeeswax Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭
    Scanning now...
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    kingbeeswaxkingbeeswax Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭
    Ok, had to adjust setting to see it more. It's in the middle going across. Looks like a yellow spot on the pack but looking closely I see it is scotch tape..

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    tsalems1tsalems1 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭✭✭
    damn, pic is clear. No idea how that passed as a 9
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    kingbeeswaxkingbeeswax Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭
    Just messaged the seller. Doesn't accept retuns but for this he must take it back. I am never buying a graded pack without seeing the back again!!!
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    kingbeeswaxkingbeeswax Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭
    Seller agreed to refund but hopefully he proides a scan atleast of the back when trying to sell again. Or mentions the tape.
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    DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,222 ✭✭
    WOW! I'd be very interested to see what Steve H. has to say about this pack. I remember him telling me (I sent him a question and he responded very quickly) that my '65 cello, which had a price sticker on it, could not grade any higher than either a 4 or 5.
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

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    grote15grote15 Posts: 30,149 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doug,

    Steve doesn't assign the grade to the pack as far as I know it's graded back at PSA. My guess is that this is a mechanical error and an actual mint pack got the grade this pack was supposed to.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,956 ✭✭✭✭
    "Condition: Like New: An item that looks as if it was just taken out of shrink wrap."

    I guess the seller told the truth, it really was just taken out of the shrink wrap! image
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    kingbeeswaxkingbeeswax Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 30,149 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This seller likes to keyword spam his listings, too...maybe he ought to spend less time doing that and more time accurately describing his items.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    kingbeeswaxkingbeeswax Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭
    The seller is actually being really cool about this and we are trying to figure out how the heck that pack could get authenticated and graded.
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    DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,222 ✭✭


    << <i>Doug, Steve doesn't assign the grade to the pack as far as I know it's graded back at PSA. My guess is that this is a mechanical error and an actual mint pack got the grade this pack was supposed to. >>


    Tim ... you are correct. I asked Steve if there was a significant downgrade for a price tag on a cello and he told me it was his belief that PSA would not give a pack a grade higher than 4 or 5.
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
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    twileytwiley Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭
    regardless of the excuse of why it is a 9 holder... That pack and grade is unacceptable!
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 30,149 ✭✭✭✭✭
    regardless of the excuse of why it is a 9 holder... That pack and grade is unacceptable!

    Mechanical errors as the result of human error are going to occur from time to time. I wouldn't expect them to be perfect all the time, and I believe they will buy a card/pack back in a case like this to make it right.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    twileytwiley Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭


    << <i>regardless of the excuse of why it is a 9 holder... That pack and grade is unacceptable!

    Mechanical errors as the result of human error are going to occur from time to time. I wouldn't expect them to be perfect all the time, and I believe they will buy a card/pack back in a case like this to make it right. >>



    yes but wouldn't the person putting the labels in the slab think. Hey this has tape on the cello pack but graded a 9? Something must be wrong. Then try to correct it? Unless PSA has monkeys putting the labels/flips in the slab this could have been avoided IMO. Since we are talking about mechanical errors. I get them all the time even when I correctly mark on the submission forum what the card is. You would think if on the submission forum the card is a "Fractal Matrix" no where on the forum was "Fractal Materials" written. Sorry but the QC on labels getting all these mechanical errors is ridiculous IMO! I can understand maybe one error every 5-10 submissions but almost every time I sub!?!? That is not a "time to time" occurrence as you say...

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    grote15grote15 Posts: 30,149 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, you can always send your packs to GAI...image


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    Beezer12Beezer12 Posts: 104 ✭✭
    A taped seal implies a popped or loose seal and the integrity of the seal is the key factor with packs. The grade isn't so much an issue if you collect unopened. I've actually had GAI return cellos with seals that popped in transit/handling as resealed packs with no authentication granted.
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    twileytwiley Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭
    FWIW every time there is a mechanical error it is a waste of money. When you ship the pack/card back to PSA to be corrected. PSA will send you back the corrected pack/card along with a voucher to make up for the postage amount it cost for you to ship it to them. Every mechanical error I sent back cost at least $15+ one way. Not unless there was a card show that their booth was at. Then I would just go and hand it to them. Still even then the return postage costs $. Either way it costs money for these errors. My point is. If they had better QC on this issue. There would be less $ wasted. If there is less $ wasted. Who knows we might see better monthly specials again...

    Anyone with any business sense knows that everything is passed down to the consumer when there is money loss or an increase in costs to run a company. You can safely say every time there is a mechanical error. The costs to fix that error is paid for by everyone who pays for the PSA membership.

    BTW GAI isn't an option. You did make me laugh with that one... image
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    MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
    That's pretty bad. Hard to imagine how Steve could let that one go by.
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    MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭


    << <i>The seller is actually being really cool about this and we are trying to figure out how the heck that pack could get authenticated and graded. >>



    I actually made a sizeable unopened cello purchase from this seller. He was very accomodating, and everything was as advertised. I tend to lean towards what Tim is saying, that a mistake was made, and this is a mechanical error on PSA's part. You don't miss something like that, unless you don't even bother to turn the pack over.
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    jamesryanbelljamesryanbell Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"Condition: Like New: An item that looks as if it was just taken out of shrink wrap."

    I guess the seller told the truth, it really was just taken out of the shrink wrap! image >>



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    WhydiedoitWhydiedoit Posts: 1
    I'm the seller. I bought the pack along with a bunch of others from a very reputable dealer who sent them directly to Psa for me. I honestly didn't think I needed to inspect the packs because I paid Psa to do that for me. I simply took the pictures of the front and listed them. I'm as shocked as anyone and I can't help but laugh my self. I'm sure it was an honest mistake but that's got to be embarressing to the great folks at Psa. We'll get it sorted out and chock it up to human error. HA HA
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