I won a coin on eBay, seller reports it stolen next day - rare 1872-CC $10 Liberty Gold Eagle

dcarr · June 27, 2011 3:53PM

eBay 1872-CC $10 Liberty Goled Eagle

I was just about to pay when I got this message via eBay:

>Hi specie-man,
>g048406 recently opened a cancel transaction case for an item you recently purchased:
>1872-CC $10 GOLD LIBERTY +++ CERTIFIED ANACS VF-30 +++.
>
>...
>
>Seller comment: Nearly all my coins, including this one, were stolen today 6/27/11.

I don't know what else the seller had listed before. But they still have three coins listed as of this moment.
So please be on the lookout for this one:

devious · June 27, 2011 3:54PM

previous ebay sells. If seller used his address on packages....

I don't sell coins, but wow, if I ever decide to sell, I am going to make sure to use a po box address when shipping.

Tiny · June 27, 2011 5:57PM

If this one was stolen he lost a few others also.

Seller's Past 15 days of sales

frnklnlvr · June 27, 2011 9:03PM

<< previous ebay sells. If seller used his address on packages....

I don't sell coins, but wow, if I ever decide to sell, I am going to make sure to use a po box address when shipping. >>

Agreed! When I started selling coins on Ebay I opened a PO Box for this reason.

ricko · June 27, 2011 9:48PM

We do not know the details of this case... could have been a random home burglary - or many other things. Cheers, RickO

Banemorth · June 27, 2011 10:36PM

WOW I NEVER thought about using a different return address on things I've sold. There should really be a stickied thread of suggestions and that one bolded, underlined, and in size 36 font.

paladin · June 27, 2011 10:50PM

I've never liked how public ebay is with buyer & seller histories. And thanks to Google Earth, they can even check out your 'hood. Although I've had a PO Box for years, as a buyer some sellers insist on shipping UPS or FedEx, which means I have to give out my street address. I must admit it never occurred to me that someone would use that info to break into my house. Always thought the "friend of a friend of a friend" would be the likely scenario.

joebb21 · June 27, 2011 11:25PM

Ive never had problems with that seller.
Im going to guess the coin was actually stolen...

dcarr · June 28, 2011 3:15AM

<< Ive never had problems with that seller.
Im going to guess the coin was actually stolen... >>

Yes, I was wonderning about the legitimacy of the claim.
Maybe it really was stolen.

DennisH · June 28, 2011 3:18AM

Maybe.
Was the final sales price low enough that seller remorse and unwillingness to part with the coin could have kicked in?

johnny9434 · June 28, 2011 3:36AM

thats bound to happen once and a while. what a shame to

Jobessi · June 28, 2011 3:36AM

<< Maybe.
Was the final sales price low enough that seller remorse and unwillingness to part with the coin could have kicked in? >>

I've had that happen to me from a seller who didn't want to part with a coin b4. However, it was just the 3-legged buffalo in VF condition that I won for $150.00 and not a bulk of his collection. This guy also had neutral feedback saying that he cancelled the transaction before saying he lost the coin.

I don't know the particular seller in question, but I say it's water under the bridge if you didn't lose any $.

devious · June 28, 2011 3:48AM

The seller of this coin cancelled a lot of his/her coins. No longer available for sale. It wasn't just the one in the auction dcarr won. Either it's legitimate or it's an excusable way to get out of honoring a transaction or a few of them. I really think the seller sold the coins at the prices he was comfortable parting with them at. Minimum bids were his comfort zone.

streeter · June 28, 2011 4:35AM

It's a new time and age.

I am a regular participant in the the L.A. Roadster's Fathers Day Show for many years and we would never take safety precautions above and beyond normal common sense.

This year a band of thieves hit the show and wiped some people clean. A entire trailer full of old prewar parts was stolen , a complete 32 roadster was wired and driven off and a lot of people had HIGH VALUE merchandise stolen.

I realize that this isn't 'coins'. It's just VERY HIGH VALUE merchandise in a friendly setting. I guess we were too easy of a target to resist.

A person almost has to think like a thief to understand ones vulnerabilities and take appropriate safety precautions.

From my experience, it's the people who gain knowledge of your safety precautions and your habits--some of them within your circle--who are most likely to hit you. A stranger(thief) just hits random opportunities.

Seems like a good time to review security of personal property and make sure you have adequate insurance.

dcarr · June 28, 2011 10:36AM

<< It's a new time and age.

I am a regular participant in the the L.A. Roadster's Fathers Day Show for many years and we would never take safety precautions above and beyond normal common sense.

This year a band of thieves hit the show and wiped some people clean. A entire trailer full of old prewar parts was stolen , a complete 32 roadster was wired and driven off and a lot of people had HIGH VALUE merchandise stolen.

I realize that this isn't 'coins'. It's just VERY HIGH VALUE merchandise in a friendly setting. I guess we were too easy of a target to resist.

A person almost has to think like a thief to understand ones vulnerabilities and take appropriate safety precautions.

From my experience, it's the people who gain knowledge of your safety precautions and your habits--some of them within your circle--who are most likely to hit you. A stranger(thief) just hits random opportunities.

Seems like a good time to review security of personal property and make sure you have adequate insurance. >>

That is a shame. Did they do it at night ?

g048406 · July 12, 2011 7:24AM

I'm not sure why anybody would think that I do NOT want to sell a coin I list on eBay. I would have been happy to have sold that 1872-cc $10 gold to the buyer at the purchase price of $3,695. That coin and the following coins were all stolen on 6/27/11:
1872-CC $10 GOLD LIBERTY ANACS VF-30 CLEANED CERT#2907666
1878-CC $20 GOLD LIBERTY NGC-VF CLEANED CERT #3316432-020
1864 SEATED DOLLAR ANACS PR-60 ALTERED SURFACES CERT#4707673
1854 $3 GOLD PRINCESS NGC UNC CLEANED CERT #3229183-009
1854-O $3 GOLD PRINCESS ANACS AU-50 DAMAGED CERT #4187641
1811 CLASSIC HEAD HALF CENT NGC-AU SCRATCHED CERT#1736451-016
1799 DRAPED BUST DOLLAR NGC VF CLEANED CERT#24512381-001
1838 CAPPED BUST HALF DOLLAR NGC UNC CLEANED CERT#2474666-002
1871-S $5 GOLD LIBERTY NGC-AU DAMEGED CERT#3316586-019
1856-S $3 GOLD PRINCESS NGC-XF CLEANED CERT#3316509-020
1884 $3 GOLD PRINCESS ANACS AU-50 EX-JEWELRY CERT#4044686
1850-O $20 GOLD LIBERTY NGC-AU SCRATCHES CERT#3451942-001
1807 DRAPED BUST LARGE CENT SEGS AU-58 CORRODED CERT#521225 1367920334903
1797 DRAPED BUST HALF DIME NGC-AU CORRODED/CLEANED CERT#2535741-005

If anyone has any knowledge of or has seen any of these coins, please report them to the Casa Grande, AZ Sheriff's office tel #(800) 420-8689 Case #110627111

123cents · July 12, 2011 7:35AM

<< I'm not sure why anybody would think that I do NOT want to sell a coin I list on eBay. I would have been happy to have sold that 1872-cc $10 gold to the buyer at the purchase price of $3,695. That coin and the following coins were all stolen on 6/27/11:
1872-CC $10 GOLD LIBERTY ANACS VF-30 CLEANED CERT#2907666
1864 SEATED DOLLAR ANACS PR-60 ALTERED SURFACES CERT#4707673
1854 $3 GOLD PRINCESS NGC UNC CLEANED CERT #3229183-009
1854-O $3 GOLD PRINCESS ANACS AU-50 DAMAGED CERT #4187641
1811 CLASSIC HEAD HALF CENT NGC-AU SCRATCHED CERT#1736451-016
1799 DRAPED BUST DOLLAR NGC VF CLEANED CERT#24512381-001
1838 CAPPED BUST HALF DOLLAR NGC UNC CLEANED CERT#2474666-002
1871-S $5 GOLD LIBERTY NGC-AU DAMEGED CERT#3316586-019
1856-S $3 GOLD PRINCESS NGC-XF CLEANED CERT#3316509-020
1884 $3 GOLD PRINCESS ANACS AU-50 EX-JEWELRY CERT#4044686
1850-O $20 GOLD LIBERTY NGC-AU SCRATCHES CERT#3451942-001
1807 DRAPED BUST LARGE CENT SEGS AU-58 CORRODED CERT#521225 1367920334903
1797 DRAPED BUST HALF DIME NGC-AU CORRODED/CLEANED CERT#2535741-005

If anyone has any knowledge of or has seen any of these coins, please report them to the Casa Grande, AZ Sheriff's office tel #(800) 420-8689 Case #110627111

>>

I certainly hope your coins are recovered!

AUandAG · July 12, 2011 7:49AM

Sorry that happened but we were rightfully questioning the auction on both the sell and
buy side. We want accurate information, period. If the coins were in fact stolen (and now
we know that to be true) we are happy to aid you in getting them back. Please don't take
our questions as a negative to you personally. This board has been tricked by many a seller,
and many a buyer, and we've learned that questions have to be asked and answered in a
logical sequence.
Good luck and I'll keep my eyes open for any on the list!

bob

RichieURich · July 12, 2011 8:18AM

I certainly am sorry that your coins were stolen, g048406.

I would suggest that you also report this to the Numismatic Crime Information Center. This service is free, and you can do this on their website, www.numismaticcrimes.org.

Oh, and welcome to the Forums, although I wish it were under better circumstances.

Russ · July 12, 2011 8:49AM

<< I certainly hope your coins are recovered! >>

By the cops after they shoot the thief dead while trying to escape.

Russ, NCNE

morgansforever · July 12, 2011 9:41AM

Welcome aboard g048406,
Saw this thread on the Ebay forums, sorry to hear about your theft.
Hopefully the crooks will keep them in the slab, and are caught.

streeter · July 12, 2011 9:47AM

DCARR,
That is a shame. Did they do it at night ?

The roadster was done in broad daylight. Most stuff was done after dark.....we don't pay much attention after sunset as we are 'busy' with other things......

regards

JamesMurray · July 12, 2011 9:56AM

I keep thinking about an earlier post about in these times a person at times need think like a thief to catch one , i believe that to be true. It's the amount of info we post i wonder about , for example , if i had stolen what appears to be valuable coins one of the first places im going to go research is coin forums or web sites which ultimately lead to forums. I'd now know i'd better get them out of those slabs PDQ.If someone were to google 1872-cc $10 liberty gold eagle which would be on the slab , i'd wager it brings them directly to this thread. Just thinking out loud is all..best of luck in getting the coins back.

lkeigwin · July 12, 2011 10:25AM

Very sorry to hear about the theft, g048406. I hope they're recovered. Maybe the fact that these were all problem coins can help identify them.

Welcome to the forum, too!
Lance.

g048406 · July 12, 2011 11:41AM

Thanks everybody for your support. The one bright spot is that I have very good high-res pictures of all the coins. I had them all for sale on ebay at the time, and hopefully they can be matched at some later date. I filled out the report at NCIC yesterday. At this point, it seems the Casa Grande detectives are banking on the fingerprints they lifted from the outside bathroom window. I hope I recover these coins, but, I'm not very optomistic. They were not insured, and it has crippled me financially.

Goldbully · July 12, 2011 11:48AM

<< 

<< I certainly hope your coins are recovered! >>

By the cops after they shoot the thief dead while trying to escape.

Russ, NCNE >>

How do you really feel, Russ????

edited to add: Welcome g048406.......so sorry to hear about your loss.
I'm with Russ here!!!!

MrEureka · July 18, 2011 4:38AM

Ttt

robkool · July 18, 2011 4:51AM

Sorry about the theft... Hope you recover 100% of these rare coins, & there is a happy ending to all of this.
WELCOME !!!

EagleEye · July 18, 2011 6:45AM

I'll pass that info out to the Tucson area dealers.

edited to add: Just noticed this is already a month old. Any news of these being found?

MrEureka · July 18, 2011 7:10AM

Posting the following good news on behalf of a lurker...

I just wanted this poster to know that we have recovered all of his stolen coins, still in their slabs as he described them.
The Casa Grande Police were contacted last week, and have promised to send a detective this week to Phoenix to pick them up.
Maybe the police have already contacted the burglary victim and told him the coins are recovered. But in case they didn’t, now he knows.
-Richard Smith, the Coin Gallery, Phoenix, AZ.

devious · July 18, 2011 7:13AM

<< Posting the following good news on behalf of a lurker...

I just wanted this poster to know that we have recovered all of his stolen coins, still in their slabs as he described them.
The Casa Grande Police were contacted last week, and have promised to send a detective this week to Phoenix to pick them up.
Maybe the police have already contacted the burglary victim and told him the coins are recovered. But in case they didn’t, now he knows.
-Richard Smith, the Coin Gallery, Phoenix, AZ. >>

DennisH · July 18, 2011 7:13AM

OUTSTANDING!!!

JamesMurray · July 18, 2011 7:16AM

That is good news Mr E , i couldn't help but pick up on something in the OP's last post though. That being the stolen coins were listed on ebay , i wonder if the OP used a PO box or his address for transactions. Once a thief has your address , ebay listings are just a menu for them. I think if i were a cop i'd be looking at past transactions on the bay.

RB1026 · July 18, 2011 7:32AM

WOW!! How great is that?! I wonder what the percentage of items stolen vs recovered really is? I bet it is extremely low. Congrats to the rightful owner of the property as well as the law enforcement personnel and any/all that aided in the apprehension of the criminals.

TwoKopeiki · July 18, 2011 7:35AM

<< OUTSTANDING!!! >>

AMRC · July 18, 2011 8:13AM

A happy ending.

Spooly · July 18, 2011 8:34AM

Great!

notwilight · July 18, 2011 9:03AM

Great, but did Russ's wish come true?

Russ · July 18, 2011 10:05AM

<< Great, but did Russ's wish come true? >>

I was about to ask the same thing. The icing on the cake would be if the dirtbag is now worm food.

Russ, NCNE

streeter · July 18, 2011 10:44AM

I love happy endings.

g048406 · July 19, 2011 3:12AM

Hello All,
I contacted Richard at the Coin Gallery in Phoenix, AZ. He is a great guy. He has confirmed that my stolen coins are there at his shop. Unfortunately, we are still waiting for the police to go to his shop and pick-up the coins and video of the guys that sold the coins to him. Richard and I have called the police and left numerous messages, but so far, they have not answered nor called me back. I will keep everyone advised on any updates. I wish to thank everyone for their help. Without this place, I doubt I would ever be seeing my coins again.

Mitch

123cents · July 19, 2011 3:17AM

That's great news Mitch. I am certainly happy for you!

devious · July 19, 2011 3:18AM

Mitch, you Sir are a rock star and you deserve your stuff back.

I am extremely HAPPY for you, Sir!

Aaron

g048406 · July 21, 2011 8:22AM

First I wish to THANK EVERYONE HERE for all your great help..........now for the good news:
The stolen coins were recovered last week by Richard Smith of "The Coin Gallery" located at 4216 W. Dunlap in Phoenix, Arizona, 85051. The Sheriff's Dept returned the coins to me today. The jewelry and laptops were not recovered. I wish to thank Det. Buysse, Deputy Pacheco and especially Richard Smith for helping me recover my coins. They have the crooks ID and video of him. Hopefully he and his accomplaces will be brought to justice soon. I will keep everyone up to date.

Thanks again everyone,
Mitch(g048406)

Bochiman · July 21, 2011 8:43AM

<< First I wish to THANK EVERYONE HERE for all your great help..........now for the good news:
The stolen coins were recovered last week by Richard Smith of "The Coin Gallery" located at 4216 W. Dunlap in Phoenix, Arizona, 85051. The Sheriff's Dept returned the coins to me today. The jewelry and laptops were not recovered. I wish to thank Det. Buysse, Deputy Pacheco and especially Richard Smith for helping me recover my coins. They have the crooks ID and video of him. Hopefully he and his accomplaces will be brought to justice soon. I will keep everyone up to date.

Thanks again everyone,
Mitch(g048406) >>

Excellent!!!

g048406 · November 29, 2011 9:56AM

It's still hard for me to believe that it's been 5 months when my world changed. I wish to give THANKS to all here this Thanksgiving. I've been ill in the hospital recently, so I'm sorry for being a little late. Everybody here, in their own way, has helped me and my wife indirectly/directly recover my stolen coins. Now for some news:
UPDATE:
On 11/9/11, we were contacted by BofA. There were a series of checks(11) that totaled about $3,000. written out to a local man with my wifes name that the Bank said didn't match her signature. My wife had never written any of these checks. The checks had been stolen during the burglary in June. The bank said they have clear video images of the man that cashed some of the checks at their bank. The bank only cashed 1 of the checks, they stopped all the others. We (Me, my wife and BofA) contacted Deputy Pacheco (the deputy that is now assigned to our case). They discovered this name GERALD MACK, ID and videos of this crook, along with his current residence. That is where we are today.

coindeuce · November 29, 2011 10:35AM

I hope that GERALD MACK is dumb enough to venture into Maricopa County and get busted by Sheriff Joe. I'll bet MACK would look stylish in a pink jumpsuit.

kaz · November 29, 2011 1:42PM

Glad to hear the crook(s) is/are being tracked down.

Solo · November 29, 2011 2:26PM

<< It's still hard for me to believe that it's been 5 months when my world changed. I wish to give THANKS to all here this Thanksgiving. I've been ill in the hospital recently, so I'm sorry for being a little late. Everybody here, in their own way, has helped me and my wife indirectly/directly recover my stolen coins. Now for some news:
UPDATE:
On 11/9/11, we were contacted by BofA. There were a series of checks(11) that totaled about $3,000. written out to a local man with my wifes name that the Bank said didn't match her signature. My wife had never written any of these checks. The checks had been stolen during the burglary in June. The bank said they have clear video images of the man that cashed some of the checks at their bank. The bank only cashed 1 of the checks, they stopped all the others. We (Me, my wife and BofA) contacted Deputy Pacheco (the deputy that is now assigned to our case). They discovered this name GERALD MACK, ID and videos of this crook, along with his current residence. That is where we are today. >>

What an awesome update Mitch! Hopefully that b@st@rd is shot in the kneecaps

Stooge · November 29, 2011 3:38PM

BTW, Did the 2 of you finally complete the transaction on eBay for the 1872-CC Eagle?

Just curious, and very glad things worked out for you.

Paul.

CoinRaritiesOnline · November 29, 2011 11:52PM

Fantastic news!

Someone should contact Coin World & Numismatic News and have them write a story about this. Glad to see a case where there was a (mostly) happy ending.

I won a coin on eBay, seller reports it stolen next day - rare 1872-CC $10 Liberty Gold Eagle

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