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How bad are these spots? 1909 Matte Proof 1C
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I posted another thread about conservation earlier, and here is a coin that I am concerned about. It's a 1909 Matte proof 1c. How will the spots affect the coin as-is (grade?) and would attempting to have them removed (professionally of course) damage the coin even more? This was a recent purchase, so the pics are the seller's. I'll take some new ones when It gets here.
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<< <i>Send it to ncs to get it conserved or checked out. That spot would bug me >>
Leave em alone...
I've yet to see a NCS on copper conservation that either just lessened the issue and made the overall coin look worse ~or~ turned in the holder.
<< <i>do you think it'll grade? >>
I don't think the spots will hold it back.
<< <i>Is it a spot or is it toning? >>
I'll take the pessimistic guess here and say a spot. The coin hasn't arrived yet, so I am going by the seller's pic. It doesn't look like gunk or anything. If it were toning, then the only worry I would have is that hairline under "liberty."
<< <i>I'll take the pessimistic guess here and say a spot. The coin hasn't arrived yet, so I am going by the seller's pic. It doesn't look like gunk or anything. If it were toning, then the only worry I would have is that hairline under "liberty." >>
The spot, flyspeck, and hairline tick would be the least of my worries... as based on the sellers pics it's the overall surface conditions I'd find worrisome.
<< <i>Why is it not in plastic, one must wonder? The seller, although he has really high feedback, I'd still question why the coin is not already in a slab. >>
I was wondering the same thing, and with it's current condition you can tell it has been sheltered somewhat. But thank God for express grading services. I also haggled the seller down substantially, which was another silent alarm (That he gave in). But I felt secure enough to buy it to check it out in-hand, and even send it off before the return cut-off date.
1909 s vdb Red link
<< <i>the same seller is actually currently selling a 1909 s vdb in similar condition with a little over an hour left.
1909 s vdb Red link >>
Look at his completed sales as he's able to take a good pic... Yet all his RB/Red black template coins are juiced saturation wise.
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<< <i>Why is it not in plastic, one must wonder? The seller, although he has really high feedback, I'd still question why the coin is not already in a slab. >>
I was wondering the same thing, and with it's current condition you can tell it has been sheltered somewhat. But thank God for express grading services. I also haggled the seller down substantially, which was another silent alarm (That he gave in). But I felt secure enough to buy it to check it out in-hand, and even send it off before the return cut-off date. >>
I would say that the hyped grade of a 66, no slab, and your discounted price of thousands of dollars from the overly hyped grade of a 66 cost...should be enough to scare anybody away. At least in this case, I'd be concerned. Best of luck to you anyway. Tell us how it turns out.
Whoever won that is going to have a reality shock when it arrives!
Expecting a lovely copper like this...
Finds this one upon unpacking...
I may be seeing things, Broadstruck, but it would appear that it has been altered, the surfaces have, or recolored, or something has been done to that 1843...
<< <i>PLEASE tell me you have her phone number!?
Hey! Did you steal my mom's pic from facebook! JERK! lol! Just kidding, lol. I shied away from the 43, and VDB is too marked up. That matte got my attention though. It better not be sporting a perm when I finally get that Lincoln.
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<< <i>The spots are not bad, but the coin has been recolored and will not slab. But overall its a decent coin and still a MPL. >>
The images where recolored too!
Thankfully you have a full 7 day return and education wise the back and forth mailing expenses are less then gas to a show.
If you're the fence and want forum opinions shoot the best pictures you can, describe the coin, and then ask questions.
Lance.
The spots (and suspected prior cleaning) are bad enough that I would return the coin immediately upon receipt.
In no event would I have the coin conserved -- this issue is common enough that you can afford to be a bit more picky.
IMO of course...Mike
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...I would return the coin immediately upon receipt.
I do know that many Matte PR Lincolns have been recolored, your's looks too perfect in color.
<< <i>If it were toning, then the only worry I would have is that hairline under "liberty." >>
I can't believe that nobody has mentioned yet that that "hairline" is actually a die polish mark, and one of the leading diagnostics for the Albrecht die 1 pairing (The most common, by far).
It gives me some concern that I see no trace of the die polish marks in front of the nose, but those are often faint, and disappear without proper light.
Also, the coin photo gives the appearance that the coin has been over-dipped.
Just what I see...
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<< <i>The coin arrived, and under a loop you can see spots in the red that look like lighter almost grey-like spots, especially on the high points on the coin. The coin was also lighter, and not as rich in red color as the pic. I fear the coin is AC, so I am packing it up for a return tomorrow. I'd take pics, but I loaned my camera out, and all I have is an iPhone. >>
Take a pic with your iphone, maybe with 1 or 2 cents from your pocket for comparison.
I know the color of the seller's photos is off, but I'd like to compare it to "real" red or r&b colors.
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That was the first thing I thought, it appears to be very pronounced, maybe the photo angle caught the light just right.....all it needs is a VDB
<< <i>I contacted the seller, and he's so confident that there is nothing wrong with the coin, that he said I could submit it to PCGS and if it comes back ungraded for any reason, he would issue a full refund. This is definitely a rare quality in an eBay seller. it ships to pcgs in the morning. >>
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<< <i>the same seller is actually currently selling a 1909 s vdb in similar condition with a little over an hour left.
1909 s vdb Red link >>
Look at his completed sales as he's able to take a good pic... Yet all his RB/Red black template coins are juiced saturation wise. >>
I tried to look at some of his completed sales, they were all marked private, which leads me to a question not related to this thread, I thought you were unable to sell on Ebay if you go private. I considered going private for any sales of higher priced items as I was starting to wonder about crooks seeing my history, and getting my address. So can I go private and still sell on ebay? Edited- I reread ebay information and think I understand now. You cannot sell if you make your feedback private, but you can sell if you make listings private, correct?
Back to the thread, looking at some of his buys, there were quite a few of cleaned/whizzed damaged cents. Here is a 1909 s Vdb
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