How quickly do you.....

Bankerbob56 · June 18, 2011 3:54AM

...pay for something that you win on the BST board, or any auction site? Then, what are your expectations for shipment of your winnings?

In any venue I pay immediately. Then I expect the seller to ship within 24-48 hours. If they take longer I would expect an e-mail stating such. I don't feel like my expectations are unreasonable. Just curious if I am in the minority here or if most people expect the same. My most recent BST deal was paid for literally withnin MINUTES of an agreed upon transaction. The seller still has not confirmed to me that the item has been shipped, despite emails requesting such info., and as the mail delivery today, no coin!

Monstarcoins · June 18, 2011 3:56AM

<< ...pay for something that you win on the BST board, or any auction site? Then, what are your expectations for shipment of your winnings?

In any venue I pay immediately. Then I expect the seller to ship within 24-48 hours. If they take longer I would expect an e-mail stating such. I don't feel like my expectations are unreasonable. Just curious if I am in the minority here or if most people expect the same. My most recent BST deal was paid for literally withnin MINUTES of an agreed upon transaction. The seller still has not confirmed to me that the item has been shipped, despite emails requesting such info., and as the mail delivery today, no coin!

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Im sorry! He is usually a great seller!

devious · June 18, 2011 4:02AM

If we have time to sell something, we'd better have the time to do customer support. If not, get outta here and wait until you can find the time to do customer support before listing things for sale. Either here on the BST, eBay, or elsewhere.

PerryHall · June 18, 2011 4:04AM

I usually pay that day or if it's late, I pay the next morning and then send the seller a message that payment has been sent.

Bankerbob56 · June 18, 2011 4:06AM

<< I usually pay that day or if it's late, I pay the next morning and then send the seller a message that payment has been sent. >>

How quickly do you expect shipment?

questor54 · June 18, 2011 4:07AM

I do not consider the BST board to be an auction venue - it is more like a virtual coin shop. To do a BST purchase, I will eMail the seller confirming the availability of the item(s), and perhaps negotiating price. When the seller and I agree on a price, I pay immediately (via PayPal). I have no specific expectations of when the seller is to ship the item, but I have never had cause for concern. In one BST deal I had, the seller didn't want me to pay until I received the coin and was sure I liked it.

On an auction venue (eBay, Heritage, Teletrade, etc.) I conform to the payment rules of that particular venue, or in the case of eBay, the terms of sale. On eBay, if I do not receive the item within the eBay calculated expected timeframe, I open a case. Gentlemanly auctions of a century or so ago, 30 days was frequently adequate. The longest I ever waited for an eBay item was approximately five months.

When I sold on eBay, I fould that most people would pay within a few days, but I would open a case when eBay rules allowed, used to be seven days, I think. I have not yet sold anything on BST.

ricko · June 18, 2011 4:08AM

I pay the day I buy it and expect shipping as promptly (next day... at most two days). Cheers, RickO

bestmr · June 18, 2011 4:12AM

I'll pay as soon as I can, usually after it's alright to pay. If not then, like I'm at a friends house or something, I'll send a PM saying it won't be till later on in the day. No matter what, I'll let them know what's going on on my end of the deal. As far as shipping time, I'd say within 5-7 days. I've almost always got a tracking number or something either the next day or the day after that so I haven't had any issues yet.

greghansen · June 18, 2011 4:14AM

I thought he posted a PUBLIC comment that the item was shipped on Thursday after you posted a reply to his active BST thread. Today is Saturday. Not exactly the type of time frame to get excited about. Unless this is a different deal, you are WAY too edgy IMO. Your first thread was a legitimate concern that you might be getting ripped off. The posted responses and the disclosure of the sellers unique job kind of alleviated that concern. If somebody who nobody else has had any trouble with tells me he shipped on Thursday, I'm not running to the CU Forum with a 'wheres the coin' thread on Saturday.

questor54 · June 18, 2011 4:16AM

<< I thought he posted a PUBLIC comment that the item was shipped on Thursday after you posted a reply to his active BST thread. Today is Saturday. Not exactly the type of time frame to get excited about. Unless this is a different deal, you are WAY too edgy IMO. Your first thread was a legitimate concern that you might be getting ripped off. The posted responses and the disclosure of the sellers unique job kind of alleviated that concern. If somebody who nobody else has had any trouble with tells me he shipped on Thursday, I'm not running to the CU Forum with a 'wheres the coin' thread on Saturday. >>

Perhaps this deal is for a very special coin.

kaz · June 18, 2011 4:20AM

If I pay by Paypal, I just expect a pm back as to when the coin will be sent, and then a tracking #. Because of work, some sellers may not be able to get a coin out of the sdb or get to the PO until the weekend; that's no problem if they let me know. Communication and management of expectations is key.

Bankerbob56 · June 18, 2011 4:23AM

<< I thought he posted a PUBLIC comment that the item was shipped on Thursday after you posted a reply to his active BST thread. Today is Saturday. Not exactly the type of time frame to get excited about. Unless this is a different deal, you are WAY too edgy IMO. Your first thread was a legitimate concern that you might be getting ripped off. The posted responses and the disclosure of the sellers unique job kind of alleviated that concern. If somebody who nobody else has had any trouble with tells me he shipped on Thursday, I'm not running to the CU Forum with a 'wheres the coin' thread on Saturday. >>

He stated he planned to ship on Thursday. I requested in an email for him to confirm shipping. Still no response! I don't care how busy a seller is, communication is key. This guy has not/does not respond. He planned to ship it is not a confirmation of shipment!

Bankerbob56 · June 18, 2011 4:25AM

<< If I pay by Paypal, I just expect a pm back as to when the coin will be sent, and then a tracking #. Because of work, some sellers may not be able to get a coin out of the sdb or get to the PO until the weekend; that's no problem if they let me know. Communication and management of expectations is key. >>

YAYY!!! My sentiments exactly!

greghansen · June 18, 2011 4:26AM

Perhaps this deal is for a very special coin.

Good point. If this is the same uncompleted deal that was discussed earlier this week I don't think the coin was ever disclosed. If it's like the other stuff seller has on BST thread, its in the range of $50-$200. If this isn't the same deal then none of my comments are material and I apologize.

questor54 · June 18, 2011 4:28AM

<< Perhaps this deal is for a very special coin.

Good point. If this is the same uncompleted deal that was discussed earlier this week I don't think the coin was ever disclosed. If it's like the other stuff seller has on BST thread, its in the range of $50-$200. If this isn't the same deal then none of my comments are material and I apologize. >>

To some, a $50 to $200 coin may be very special. My six year old godson gets impatient if a toy I order for him online does not arrive the next day.

greghansen · June 18, 2011 4:31AM

The item will ship this morning. I have had a strange work schedule this week, and have not been able to get to the post office when it is open. I have today off.

I work for the Navy as a Nuclear Engineer, and I work on their submarine training platform. It must be maintained 24 hours a day, so this week I was on the midnight shift. I'm sorry for any delay.

That is he public reply word for word. Is your concern over whether you will get the coin or are you simply upset that he hasn't communicated directly with you? If it's the former, I think your unnecessarily worried. If it's the later, I agree with you it hasn't been a case example for good customer service.

Shamika · June 18, 2011 4:55AM

I generally pay within 3 days with either a credit card or Paypal. In both cases, I expect the item to be shipped within 24 hours, but if the seller takes a week I don't complain. Any longer than a week is excessive.

Bankerbob56 · June 18, 2011 5:26AM

FWIW the "value" of the item is not just subjective, it's also irrelevent. Is poor customer service justified for a $50 coin, but not justified for a $5,000 coin?

questor54 · June 18, 2011 5:34AM

<< FWIW the "value" of the item is not just subjective, it's also irrelevent. Is poor customer service justified for a $50 coin, but not justified for a $5,000 coin? >>

'Poor customer service' is half the interest of this thread. The intensity of your reaction to 'poor customer service' is the other half.

al410 · June 18, 2011 5:37AM

I pay immed and ship Immed, I agree with OP , even though seller posted a reply on his Sell thread he never did PM or anwser the buyer thru PM or e-mail, I also found it interesting he replied in his BST thread only after the OP started posting about it.
Sorry I just don't find that good or acceptable.
AL

Bankerbob56 · June 18, 2011 5:43AM

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<< FWIW the "value" of the item is not just subjective, it's also irrelevent. Is poor customer service justified for a $50 coin, but not justified for a $5,000 coin? >>

'Poor customer service' is half the interest of this thread. The intensity of your reaction to 'poor customer service' is the other half. >>

Good point Frank! ....and good observation too!

When I spend my money I expect a certain level of customer service, and this guy falls way short! That is the focus of this thread. What are other's expectations? I do not believe that expecting a seller to communicate is unreasonable. Now that I think about it he didn't even confirm that he got his money! Now, the money is out of my account AND he certainly didn't tell me that he didn't get it!

questor54 · June 18, 2011 5:52AM

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<< FWIW the "value" of the item is not just subjective, it's also irrelevent. Is poor customer service justified for a $50 coin, but not justified for a $5,000 coin? >>

'Poor customer service' is half the interest of this thread. The intensity of your reaction to 'poor customer service' is the other half. >>

Good point Frank! ....and good observation too!

When I spend my money I expect a certain level of customer service, and this guy falls way short! That is the focus of this thread. What are other's expectations? I do not believe that expecting a seller to communicate is unreasonable. Now that I think about it he didn't even confirm that he got his money! Now, the money is out of my account AND he certainly didn't tell me that he didn't get it!

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We collect coins. We have to get used to bad service, overgraded and mis-described merchandise, grumpy and insulting dealers, hyper-critical evaluation of our coins from other collectors, ridiculous low ball offers when we or our heirs go to sell. It is all part of the hobby we love so much.

Bankerbob56 · June 18, 2011 5:56AM

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<< FWIW the "value" of the item is not just subjective, it's also irrelevent. Is poor customer service justified for a $50 coin, but not justified for a $5,000 coin? >>

'Poor customer service' is half the interest of this thread. The intensity of your reaction to 'poor customer service' is the other half. >>

Good point Frank! ....and good observation too!

When I spend my money I expect a certain level of customer service, and this guy falls way short! That is the focus of this thread. What are other's expectations? I do not believe that expecting a seller to communicate is unreasonable. Now that I think about it he didn't even confirm that he got his money! Now, the money is out of my account AND he certainly didn't tell me that he didn't get it!

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We collect coins. We have to get used to bad service, overgraded and mis-described merchandise, grumpy and insulting dealers, hyper-critical evaluation of our coins from other collectors, ridiculous low ball offers when we or our heirs go to sell. It is all part of the hobby we love so much.

Like George C. Scott says to the Russian General in the movie Patton "I'll drink to that, one son-of-a-b*tch to another!"

Cheers!

Bob

questor54 · June 18, 2011 5:59AM

Cheers to you Bob!

PerryHall · June 18, 2011 6:09AM

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<< I usually pay that day or if it's late, I pay the next morning and then send the seller a message that payment has been sent. >>

How quickly do you expect shipment?[/q

I'm retired but I know a lot of sellers have a day job so if I get it in a week or 10 days, I'm satisfied. It's a real plus if they send me an e-mail letting me know that it has been shipped so I can be on the look-out for the package. Many times they'll send me a tracking number which is really good customer service.

llafoe · June 18, 2011 7:16AM

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<< Perhaps this deal is for a very special coin.

Good point. If this is the same uncompleted deal that was discussed earlier this week I don't think the coin was ever disclosed. If it's like the other stuff seller has on BST thread, its in the range of $50-$200. If this isn't the same deal then none of my comments are material and I apologize. >>

To some, a $50 to $200 coin may be very special. My six year old godson gets impatient if a toy I order for him online does not arrive the next day. >>

I didn't know Bankerbob56 was your godson?

P.S. The

indicates a joke... please don't threaten to go to a moderator!

Bankerbob56 · June 18, 2011 7:19AM

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<< Perhaps this deal is for a very special coin.

Good point. If this is the same uncompleted deal that was discussed earlier this week I don't think the coin was ever disclosed. If it's like the other stuff seller has on BST thread, its in the range of $50-$200. If this isn't the same deal then none of my comments are material and I apologize. >>

To some, a $50 to $200 coin may be very special. My six year old godson gets impatient if a toy I order for him online does not arrive the next day. >>

I didn't know Bankerbob56 was your godson?

P.S. The

indicates a joke... please don't threaten to go to a moderator!

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Larry that's a good one! I have a sense of humor! In my line of business it is mandatory!

I can appreciate this... i saw your earlier thread!!

mrpotatoheadd · June 18, 2011 7:21AM

<< How quickly do you pay for something that you win on the BST board, or any auction site? >>

Usually within a day of receiving payment info from the seller.

<< Then, what are your expectations for shipment of your winnings? >>

I would hope to get it within a couple of weeks or so of my payment being received.

thisnamztaken · June 18, 2011 7:24AM

I always pay immediately if I'm home, or otherwise as soon as I get home the same day. As a seller I ship the next working day following the sale 99% of the time, or on the second working day at the latest.
As a buyer, because I pay immediately, I expect the seller to mail it to me within two working days, but am sometimes disappointed by a seller; not too often though.

Bankerbob56 · June 18, 2011 1:00PM

HOOORAY! I finally got a response from the seller at 6 pm today! He apparently was alerted to my threads and PM'd that the coin was in fact mailed on Thursday!!! Thank you Mr. Seller, that was all the information I wanted... a confirmation of shipping! Maybe we all learned a little something from these posts.... that , after all, is the true benefit to this conglomeration of minds, opinions, and experiences... Learning!

mkman123 · June 18, 2011 1:07PM

I pay as soon as I can and will let the seller know if it may take a little longer.

MarkInDavis · June 18, 2011 2:37PM

I usually pay by money order so it is not right away. The key to a happy transaction is good communication. After agreeing to price (in this step I disclose my form of payment), I PM when I expect to mail money order and then again after I have actually mailed it. Most times I receive a PM saying the money order was received and another when the item is shipped. I then send another PM when I receive the item. Of course, there are some that ship immediately before I have even sent payment. That's nice but not anything I would expect or ask for.

derryb · June 18, 2011 2:53PM

Most people pay within a reasonable amount of time except for greghansen.

physicsfan314 · June 18, 2011 8:18PM

Sorry for all the confusion on this one. I have had poor communication with the seller and a misunderstanding, and it is my fault.

In my defense, Bob emailed me on June 15th at 5PM, and I responded to his email within an hour. I told him the coin would ship on Thursday. Being a man of my word, I did not realize that I needed to then email him again and tell him I did what I said I would. My mistake - apparently there is no trust in the world anymore.

I understand Bob is anxious to get his coin, but I honestly thought my simple email reply would be sufficient. Sorry.

kaz · June 18, 2011 10:29PM

That would have been enough for me to feel comfortable.

JohnMaben · June 18, 2011 11:20PM

OK, I have to jump in here. It needs to be pointed out that some are flat out ridiculous in what they expect in terms of communication and tracking. Buyers basically fall into two groups:

Group A- Laid back. They've already done their homework about the coin (s) they are buying and you or your company. They are confident. In general they won't give it a second thought until one week has passed from the time they paid, and the coin has not arrived.

Group B- Views every coin purchase as though they have just bought an organ required to sustain life for themselves or a loved one. Requires tracking on every purchase and is quick to fire out an email if they don't hear from the seller after the purchase. Many don't realize (especially ebayers) that if dealing with a business, they are probably closed on weekends and won't be able to respond immediately.

I personally am a Group A person all the way. I buy lots of stuff online and could care less about emails that follow after the purchase. I wait patiently and about 90% of the time my goods arrive within a week. We see more Group A from our website buyers and more group B from our eBay buyers.

Now, I understand we wanna make sure someone is home to sign etc, but looking at the larger picture here, don't we have better things to do with our time then to look online repeatedly (just look at the ATB threads, holy cow these guys live tracking their USM purchases) just to see that their package has moved from Moline, Il to Chicago? C'mon.

Expectations for delivery of anything under a week, unless overnight shipping is involved, is IMO unreasonable. Things happen. We live in an imperfect world. Final point, emails don't always work. We've become such an email (and now text) society that we forget about using the phone when it is more appropriate. If you have a number calling will yield a better, faster result most of the time. I love email and text but it is over-used. There are also many instances of email "tone" creating problems where there are no problems.

None of this is intended to imply that you should not expect customer service or settle for poor service, I just think some people would do better to keep things in perspective and try to be reasonable and realistic instead of stressing over shipping.

John

JamesMurray · June 19, 2011 12:54AM

<< HOOORAY! I finally got a response from the seller at 6 pm today! He apparently was alerted to my threads and PM'd that the coin was in fact mailed on Thursday!!! Thank you Mr. Seller, that was all the information I wanted... a confirmation of shipping! Maybe we all learned a little something from these posts.... that , after all, is the true benefit to this conglomeration of minds, opinions, and experiences... Learning!

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Yes , ive learned some willl whine at the drop of a hat.

PerryHall · June 19, 2011 1:15AM

<< 

<< HOOORAY! I finally got a response from the seller at 6 pm today! He apparently was alerted to my threads and PM'd that the coin was in fact mailed on Thursday!!! Thank you Mr. Seller, that was all the information I wanted... a confirmation of shipping! Maybe we all learned a little something from these posts.... that , after all, is the true benefit to this conglomeration of minds, opinions, and experiences... Learning!

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Yes , ive learned some willl whine at the drop of a hat. >>

Disagree. The OP had a legitimate complaint. Not responding to PM's during a transaction is bad business and just plain rude.

JamesMurray · June 19, 2011 1:22AM

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<< HOOORAY! I finally got a response from the seller at 6 pm today! He apparently was alerted to my threads and PM'd that the coin was in fact mailed on Thursday!!! Thank you Mr. Seller, that was all the information I wanted... a confirmation of shipping! Maybe we all learned a little something from these posts.... that , after all, is the true benefit to this conglomeration of minds, opinions, and experiences... Learning!

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Yes , ive learned some willl whine at the drop of a hat. >>

Disagree. The OP had a legitimate complaint. Not responding to PM's during a transaction is bad business and just plain rude. >>

Were two different threads required ?

questor54 · June 19, 2011 1:22AM

I have learned to not be a seller. Too hard.

TheBigB · June 19, 2011 1:33AM

<< In any venue I pay immediately. Then I expect the seller to ship within 24-48 hours. If they take longer I would expect an e-mail stating such. I don't feel like my expectations are unreasonable. Just curious if I am in the minority here or if most people expect the same. >>

I think this is reasonable and communication is key otherwise.

physicsfan314 · June 19, 2011 9:21AM

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<< HOOORAY! I finally got a response from the seller at 6 pm today! He apparently was alerted to my threads and PM'd that the coin was in fact mailed on Thursday!!! Thank you Mr. Seller, that was all the information I wanted... a confirmation of shipping! Maybe we all learned a little something from these posts.... that , after all, is the true benefit to this conglomeration of minds, opinions, and experiences... Learning!

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Yes , ive learned some willl whine at the drop of a hat. >>

Disagree. The OP had a legitimate complaint. Not responding to PM's during a transaction is bad business and just plain rude. >>

The point I am trying to make is that I did respond. He sent me an email and I responded within an hour. Did I think I needed to also respond to his PM, and then also to his post on my thread? No. Would you have? How many different times and ways do I need to contact a buyer?

mrpotatoheadd · June 19, 2011 9:25AM

<< How many different times and ways do I need to contact a buyer? >>

Some buyers are higher maintenance than others, so the answer varies.

questor54 · June 19, 2011 9:27AM

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<< HOOORAY! I finally got a response from the seller at 6 pm today! He apparently was alerted to my threads and PM'd that the coin was in fact mailed on Thursday!!! Thank you Mr. Seller, that was all the information I wanted... a confirmation of shipping! Maybe we all learned a little something from these posts.... that , after all, is the true benefit to this conglomeration of minds, opinions, and experiences... Learning!

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Yes , ive learned some willl whine at the drop of a hat. >>

Disagree. The OP had a legitimate complaint. Not responding to PM's during a transaction is bad business and just plain rude. >>

The point I am trying to make is that I did respond. He sent me an email and I responded within an hour. Did I think I needed to also respond to his PM, and then also to his post on my thread? No. Would you have? How many different times and ways do I need to contact a buyer? >>

Belt and suspenders, my friend. Belt and suspenders. The BIG rule of communication: Tell 'em what you are going to tell 'em. Tell 'em. Tell 'em what you just told 'em. Speechwriters use this all the time.

I still would love to know the coin involved. If you REALLY cared, you would give the buyer a full refund, AND the coin, AND another nice coin as a free bonus.

physicsfan314 · June 19, 2011 9:31AM

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<< HOOORAY! I finally got a response from the seller at 6 pm today! He apparently was alerted to my threads and PM'd that the coin was in fact mailed on Thursday!!! Thank you Mr. Seller, that was all the information I wanted... a confirmation of shipping! Maybe we all learned a little something from these posts.... that , after all, is the true benefit to this conglomeration of minds, opinions, and experiences... Learning!

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Yes , ive learned some willl whine at the drop of a hat. >>

Disagree. The OP had a legitimate complaint. Not responding to PM's during a transaction is bad business and just plain rude. >>

The point I am trying to make is that I did respond. He sent me an email and I responded within an hour. Did I think I needed to also respond to his PM, and then also to his post on my thread? No. Would you have? How many different times and ways do I need to contact a buyer? >>

Belt and suspenders, my friend. Belt and suspenders. The BIG rule of communication: Tell 'em what you are going to tell 'em. Tell 'em. Tell 'em what you just told 'em. Speechwriters use this all the time.

I still would love to know the coin involved. If you REALLY cared, you would give the buyer a full refund, AND the coin, AND another nice coin as a free bonus. >>

This was the coin involved. I am not going to be keelhauled into giving away a $200 coin to someone I don't even know because there was a misunderstanding with an overanxious buyer. I did make him the offer that he could return the coin for a full refund if he wasn't satisfied.

mrpotatoheadd · June 19, 2011 9:36AM

Too funny...

<< If you REALLY cared, you would give the buyer a full refund, AND the coin, AND another nice coin as a free bonus. >>

What? No free car wash, too?

Bankerbob56 · June 19, 2011 11:33AM

<< Too funny...

<< If you REALLY cared, you would give the buyer a full refund, AND the coin, AND another nice coin as a free bonus. >>

What? No free car wash, too? >>

If he doesn't throw in a FREE CARWASH I just might start another thread!

Bankerbob56 · June 19, 2011 11:59AM

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<< HOOORAY! I finally got a response from the seller at 6 pm today! He apparently was alerted to my threads and PM'd that the coin was in fact mailed on Thursday!!! Thank you Mr. Seller, that was all the information I wanted... a confirmation of shipping! Maybe we all learned a little something from these posts.... that , after all, is the true benefit to this conglomeration of minds, opinions, and experiences... Learning!

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Yes , ive learned some willl whine at the drop of a hat. >>

Disagree. The OP had a legitimate complaint. Not responding to PM's during a transaction is bad business and just plain rude. >>

The point I am trying to make is that I did respond. He sent me an email and I responded within an hour. Did I think I needed to also respond to his PM, and then also to his post on my thread? No. Would you have? How many different times and ways do I need to contact a buyer? >>

In all fairness to Physicsfan314 he did respond to my PM's on Saturday evening, the 18th. I paid him on Monday the 13th with a request that he notify me when the coin was mailed. HIs response on the 18th was quite caustic, but at least he responded! I never received the email he allegedly sent. If I had, it would have been sufficient. Had he responded to one PM I would have been satisfied. He did not. This was the first time I had ever dealt with Physicsfan314, if I had a "track record" with him I would not have even requested a shipping date. I have dealt with Manofcoins, PCcoins, Quattrocoins, on this forum and had zero problems. They are all very professional. Physicsfan314 stated that he rarely posts on this forum, and that I should have known that. I did not know that at the time. He stated that he uses the BST board here because it has much more traffic, but mainly posts ATS. I never post ATS so I did not know about his self-professed stellar reputation "over there." The purpose of the thread was to solicit other's expectations when it comes to communication, not just when the BST board is involved, but in any venue.

mrpotatoheadd · June 19, 2011 12:01PM

<< HIs response on the 18th was quite caustic, but at least he responded! I never received the email he allegedly sent. If I had, it would have been sufficient. Had he responded to one PM I would have been satisfied. He did not. >>

You didn't get his email? Ok. How do you know he received the PM you sent?

Bankerbob56 · June 19, 2011 12:03PM

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<< HIs response on the 18th was quite caustic, but at least he responded! I never received the email he allegedly sent. If I had, it would have been sufficient. Had he responded to one PM I would have been satisfied. He did not. >>

You didn't get his email? Ok. How do you know he received the PM you sent? >>

He just stated so in his previous post!

mrpotatoheadd · June 19, 2011 12:07PM

<< He just stated so in his previous post!

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So you knew he received your PM and just assumed he was ignoring you?

How quickly do you.....

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