1864 Newp

cameron12x · April 16, 2011 2:11AM

This just came in... thoughts on a grade?

The scratches are on the slab...

Meltdown · April 16, 2011 2:32AM

Looks AU-50ish to me... I could see XF-45 also.

Nice looking coin whatever the grade!

BillJones · April 16, 2011 2:39AM

It is hard to grade Mint State or virtually Mint State coins from photos. I'd say it's in the AU-58, to MS-63, brown range.

lava · April 16, 2011 2:40AM

nice coin

coirn · April 16, 2011 2:56AM

Appears to have a gentle, older cleaning with Dellers Darkener applied. Could just be the lighting though.

Monstarcoins · April 16, 2011 3:04AM

Cant tell the grade but I agree the reverse looks lightly cleaned and it does appear to be MS. Hard to find them with that strong of a "WE"

johnny9434 · April 16, 2011 3:04AM

au - 50 maybe. im not really that good with these

cameron12x · April 16, 2011 3:23AM

Thanks for the opinons so far...

Where should we look for signs of circulation on this issue?

coirn · April 16, 2011 3:29AM

<< Thanks for the opinons so far...

Where should we look for signs of circulation on this issue? >>

The top point is the WE in the motto. You can't judge by the shield lines as even on some uncirculated coins they blend a little due to a weakness in the strike.

cameron12x · April 16, 2011 3:37AM

<< 

<< Thanks for the opinons so far...

Where should we look for signs of circulation on this issue? >>

The top point is the WE in the motto. You can't judge by the shield lines as even on some uncirculated coins they blend a little due to a weakness in the strike. >>

Here is an image of that area:

New opinions?

coirn · April 16, 2011 3:41AM

Light wear indicative of an honest AU58 (not just the motto, but check out the leaves to the right and left). Hidden verdigris also confirms it was placed into circulation for a short period of time.

keyman64 · April 16, 2011 3:50AM

I would lean towards 58 but might be low MS. I also think a darkener may have been applied at some point.

All that being said....I like it for what it is. It looks good.

fivecents · April 16, 2011 3:53AM

AU55

BillJones · April 16, 2011 4:05AM

Now that I've seen that close-up shot I vote AU-58 sharpness. Whether or not it has been cleaned depends upon a personal examination. These coins tend to have a brassy look or brassy streaks because the alloy was not always mixed well. Therefore a lighter spot on the surface might not indicate that the piece was cleaned.

The "WE" in the motto wore off very quickly on these coins, but it should be strong on an EF graded piece. If the "WE" is not strong, chances are the coin is over graded.

Here is an example of a very nice MS-64, brown piece.

Raybo · April 16, 2011 4:46AM

Fidy five.

cypher · April 16, 2011 4:51AM

AU55-58ish

ricko · April 16, 2011 4:59AM

58-60.... nice coin.... Cheers, RickO

DAM · April 16, 2011 5:25AM

53 - 55

Very nice!

cameron12x · April 16, 2011 5:46AM

I acquired the coin on Ebay:

With that label of course I did NOT pay MS pricing!

BillJones · April 16, 2011 6:12AM

<< With that label of course I did NOT pay MS pricing! >>

Typical "third world" grading.

Even when it's labeled MS-66, it's still AU.

TPRC · April 16, 2011 6:23AM

something about the color of that coin looks off. It might have been cleaned.

BillJones · April 16, 2011 6:29AM

<< something about the color of that coin looks off. It might have been cleaned. >>

That's very possible, but you can't confirm it from a photograph.

cameron12x · April 16, 2011 6:32AM

One of the challenges I have is with color balance... It doesn't look cleaned in hand.

It also does NOT look MS-66!

DAM · April 16, 2011 7:23AM

Here's an MS66. Granted, it's red. But you'll see what to look for when you get to the 66 level. And why they blew the grade badly. Notice the sharpness of the leaves, including the veins. And the sharpness of the arrow heads, including the tops along the centerline. You can see the high points of the arrow heads where there was gentle rub.

cameron12x · April 17, 2011 10:15AM

I had a couple of professional graders look at the coin at a local show today. Both concurred that it's AU-55 to MS-60 before settling on AU-58.

I'm going to crack it out and place in my Dansco type set.

Now I need to locate a thread on how to do that.

(I've never cracked out a coin before.)

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