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1838-O Newp (coin in hand)

Thoughts on a grade?

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    TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,924 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF-40?
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭
    Grading can be so subjective... I do like the early die state of this example.
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    joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just bought one tonight as well!
    may the fonz be with you...always...
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I just bought one tonight as well! >>

    Very cool... It's an interesting issue!
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭
    Anecodotally, She is a F-101 O/O variety.

    It's apparently a very early die state with no hint of the 2 obverse rim cuds noted by Fortin?

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    123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    Nice coin. I guess VF-30.
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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll try 45. Nice looking coin.
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    ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll guess XF 40, maybe 45 if there is some remaining luster.
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    ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    Very nice coin, I'm gonna guess vf-25. Here's one I picked up a few years ago.
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Very nice coin, I'm gonna guess vf-25. Here's one I picked up a few years ago. >>

    Very nice! It looks like yours was an early die state as well?
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    jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was getting ready to see a reeded edge half !
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice.....I call it 45.

    Will the person that called it VF PLEASE sell me one just like this one at VF money......PLEASE!image
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    ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Very nice coin, I'm gonna guess vf-25. Here's one I picked up a few years ago. >>

    Very nice! It looks like yours was an early die state as well? >>

    Thanks, I'm not sure about early die states and the like, but if it is then it's like whipped topping on a sundae. I wanted it because of the semi-monster toning. I think this is one of my favorites in my collection.
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    relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,328 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice, I would say 45 as well.
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭
    TTT for the day crew...

    Thoughts on the grade?

    General impressions?
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice original XF40 or XF45 depending how much remaining luster. Nice coin!

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    ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692 ✭
    XF40 to 45. Nice original problem free coin. I like the image. Very nice.
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    MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
    "I was getting ready to see a reeded edge half !"

    I was getting ready to see a half dime! Nice coin, nonetheless. I would grade it EF-40, with all of the usual caveats about grading a coin from a two-dimensional image.
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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"I was getting ready to see a reeded edge half !" >>

    So was I! Dang! image
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    drddmdrddm Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>"I was getting ready to see a reeded edge half !" >>

    So was I! Dang! image >>



    Me too.....boy, now that would have been a sight, huh? image

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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭
    The original thread title was: "Seated Dime Newp".

    I thought that was too boring and changed in to what it is now to wake people up on a Monday morning! image
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>"I was getting ready to see a reeded edge half !" >>

    So was I! Dang! image >>

    Here you go. Sorry...a bit overexposed. image
    Lance.

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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF-35
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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,819 ✭✭✭✭✭
    nice pick-up. I know this coin, so I'll refrain on grade.

    Tom

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    PonyExpress8PonyExpress8 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭
    Looks like 45 to me. A very nice example congratulations.
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭
    Here you go, folks:

    imageimage

    It's difficult to tell without the coin in hand, but it looks like there may be some luster left in the fields?

    I believe that she may have been "net graded" down due to the obverse fingerprint vestige?

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    Impressions? Further thoughts?
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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I broke out a couple of books (Making the Grade and Photograde) when I guessed VF-35. It is not my series so I figured I would learn something and try to guess. I was leaning towards VF-30 but then so many people, that are much more educated in the series than I, were saying EF...and HIGHER so I was swayed and pushed my opinion to VF-35. It is a fine example and maybe worthy of a resubmission for a regrade...along with variety attribution?

    Nice coin, did you buy it for the variety?...I'm guessing. Congrats on the NEWP.
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    Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner. :smile:
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice coin, did you buy it for the variety?...I'm guessing. Congrats on the NEWP. >>

    Thanks... bought for a number of reasons: the variety, first year of issue for New Orleans, no major distractions (to me), PQ for grade, simple eye appeal (to me).

    I'm not familiar with the series, but the weakness on the lower reverse seems to be strike related... will need the coin in hand to fully evaluate the details.
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    richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    Nice looking coin. I would have guessed higher grade for sure.
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭
    Before this thread dies a natural death, I have one outstanding question:

    How did the the lower part of the reverse strike appear to be so weak?

    I can't imagine this to be uneven wear; but is that a possibility?

    Or is it simply the result of the strike? If so, how?

    Inquiring minds want to know... Thanks!
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    coolestcoolest Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    This coin has a remarkable lack of contact marks, no digs, no scrapes, no dings, not even a rim bump. I dont see how this coin was circulated at all.
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>This coin has a remarkable lack of contact marks, no digs, no scrapes, no dings, not even a rim bump. I dont see how this coin was circulated at all. >>

    But it does have that obverse fingerprint vestige? image

    I still have one outstanding question:

    How did the the lower part of the reverse strike appear to be so weak?

    I can't imagine this to be uneven wear; but is that a possibility?

    Or is it simply the result of the strike? If so, how?

    Inquiring minds want to know... Thanks!
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    coolestcoolest Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    here is a PCGS VF25 for comparison
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for sharing this VF-25 example! I'd like to see the photos normalized for the same size. Of course, a larger photo will show more hits.

    I got the urge to peruse the Heritage website for previous auctions and I was surprised to see how well my example stood up to ones graded VF-35 to XF-45:

    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1139&Lot_No=7973
    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1144&Lot_No=3728
    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1140&Lot_No=523
    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1116&Lot_No=1648
    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1108&Lot_No=7869
    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1145&Lot_No=9132
    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1154&Lot_No=10079
    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1144&Lot_No=9004
    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1138&Lot_No=7795
    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1108&Lot_No=7868
    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=415&Lot_No=7708
    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=24072&Lot_No=13349

    There are a couple of 45's that are possibly slightly better, but I couldn't find any 35's or 40's that looked discernably better. The lack of hits or marks on my example is really amazing for the grade (VF-25), IMHO.

    I found similar results at Teletrade. Nothing in the 35-40 range appeared discernably better (in my eyes).

    With these new data points (examples for comparison), I could possibly be convinced to stretch my own personal grade to XF-40, with eye appeal which exceeds many of those listed above.

    I'd personally feel very comfortable calling it a 35+ out of hand... I should have my own photos in a couple of days. The wildcard here is the size of the available images used for comparison.

    I'm thinking there must be something wrong with my example to get a VF-25 grade? (Fingerprint vestige? Light dip? Both? Other?) I didn't think that they did, but does PCGS "net grade" coins?

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Very nice coin, I'm gonna guess vf-25. Here's one I picked up a few years ago. >>

    Very nice! It looks like yours was an early die state as well? >>

    Thanks, I'm not sure about early die states and the like, but if it is then it's like whipped topping on a sundae. I wanted it because of the semi-monster toning. I think this is one of my favorites in my collection. >>

    Anthony, that is a stunning dime! Congrats. Also, on guessing the grade.

    Does PCGS net grade? Sure. But I don't know what about your coin, Cameron, might have caused it. The fingerprint is very minor, IMO. Maybe the grader has a thing about fingerprints?

    I'd like to see better photos.
    Lance.
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    ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭


    <<I got the urge to peruse the Heritage website for previous auctions and I was surprised to see how well my example stood up to ones graded VF-35 to XF-45



    There are a couple of 45's that are possibly slightly better, but I couldn't find any 35's or 40's that looked discernably better. The lack of hits or marks on my example is really amazing for the grade (VF-25), IMHO.



    With these new data points (examples for comparison), I could possibly be convinced to stretch my own personal grade to XF-40, with eye appeal which exceeds many of those listed above.

    I'd personally feel very comfortable calling it a 35+ out of hand...>>image
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭
    I now have the coin in hand with some quick photos in this post. Here is a better comparison with the images roughly normalized for resolution:

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    You can definitely see that my example doesn't look nearly as pristine at this magnification. But it surely still looks like one helluva good VF-25 example!

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    LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm a little surprised it's a 25. I was thinking 30 - 35, but ... whatcha gonna say? Resubmit! ;p
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm a little surprised it's a 25. I was thinking 30 - 35, but ... whatcha gonna say? Resubmit! ;p >>

    I think that I'm just going to relax and enjoy the coin now that I have it in hand.

    After all, what's in a grade? image
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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Resubmit it. 'nuf said.
    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
    Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner. :smile:
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Resubmit it. 'nuf said. >>

    Will definitely consider it...

    But for now just enjoying the coin.

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