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Is it time to call the lawyers ?


A new customer of mine was taken, and I mean taken pretty bad. A telemarketing outfit sold him 2 Common Date $5 Gold Commemoratives in ICG 70 at $1500 Each. Yes Each. Sad thing is this was 10 Years ago. Remember where gold was in 2001- makes you want to cringe huh?

My question is where is a good place to go to look up average retail prices from 10 years ago?
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it time to call the lawyers ?

    No, it's way too late. In fact, it was probably too late ten years ago.
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  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭✭
    alot has happened in 10 years, not the least of which is that ICG has lost market share and market acceptance.....they used to be seen as on par with PCGS and NGC, but that has changed

    how do you go about proving what a 'perfect' (ICG 70) was or wasnt worth then??

    please be aware, i'm not defending the seller or saying that the purchaser wasnt taken advantage of.........remember, it's not what you know, it's what you can PROVE

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  • It's not even what you can prove. Its what time frame can you prove such things and to what audience. Sadly, I think this person is out of the chance at being made whole from this transaction.

  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭
    If we disagreed with the prices we overpaid for coins, we would have all taken at least one coin dealer to court! image

    When the market turns, when the "Top Pop" market dies, when toners fade away, when a series falls out of favor, when a TPG loses respect, etc. All would give us a reason to call the lawyers.
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  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    2001 it was in the 240 range, but doesnt matter

    it was too late minute they bought em

    hopefully someone gained common sense off this, if anything, sucks but happens every
    day and I for one feel worse for the dealers who are left explaining this crap to the poor
    unsuspecting public who got ripped, as they (the dealers) are treated the way the clowns who sold
    the crap in the first place should have been treated, seriously.
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some have return policies?


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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,222 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For legal advice, I'd wait for the lawyers to answer.

    I would seek some legal advice before spending a lot of time hunting pricing. If the statute of limitations has expired, you could save yourself some time.


    That said,

    Pricing?
    Try auction catalogs and records???

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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Instead of calling lawyers, they should just own up to the fact they made a poor decision. Before I drop 3 grand on anything, I damn sure do some research. People who don't, get what they have coming, just like people who drive down the road with hot coffee between their legs. But no, we have become a country of no personal responsibillity. It's always someone elses fault. It's getting really old.
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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,690 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>alot has happened in 10 years, not the least of which is that ICG has lost market share and market acceptance.....they used to be seen as on par with PCGS and NGC, but that has changed >>

    Never. Perhaps on circulated and low-MS classics they were pretty close or even, but they were never accepted for moderns.
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm pretty sure that the 2001 Red Book mentioned how much gold was in a $5.00 Com. even back then it was .2418 oz of gold.
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  • Caveat emptor comes to mind on this one
  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    I'm gonna have to agree with the "take responsibility for your actions/decisions" crowd. The situation could have been worse, they could have received gold plated junk, or nothing at all!
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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>A new customer of mine was taken, and I mean taken pretty bad. A telemarketing outfit sold him 2 Common Date $5 Gold Commemoratives in ICG 70 at $1500 Each. Yes Each. Sad thing is this was 10 Years ago. Remember where gold was in 2001- makes you want to cringe huh? >>

    If, instead of losing money, your customer had made many multiples over his initial investment in profit, he'd most likely be happy with how astute an investor he was and nobody would be thinking about lawyers.

    Right?
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>A new customer of mine was taken, and I mean taken pretty bad. A telemarketing outfit sold him 2 Common Date $5 Gold Commemoratives in ICG 70 at $1500 Each. Yes Each. Sad thing is this was 10 Years ago. Remember where gold was in 2001- makes you want to cringe huh? >>

    If, instead of losing money, your customer had made many multiples over his initial investment in profit, he'd most likely be happy with how astute an investor he was and nobody would be thinking about lawyers.

    Right? >>

    Sounds about right to me.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    if one spends 1500 on a coin, they need to get educated first

    sorry but no sympathy here

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  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231


    << <i>if one spends 1500 on a coin, they need to get educated first

    sorry but no sympathy here >>






    Reminds me of a saying.......a fool and his money........
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it time to call the lawyers ?

    Sure, at $300/hour, your customer can get taken for another $3000 in just ten hours. image
  • Unless the client was a minor at the time (8-10 or so) it's too late.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lawyer ? He should have called the phone company and had his phone disconnected... straight away !!!
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Time to move on... no case here - Cheers, RickO
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Who was the telemarketing firm that ripped off your customer. Are they still in operation?

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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He should make one call
    to
    the National Do Not Call Registry
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  • Can I have your customer's name and number? I have a few things I would like to sell to him.
  • Raybob15239Raybob15239 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    Statute of limitations has run. Even if you claim fraud, the statute has run. Fraud would be tough to prove anyway. The guy got taken, but he was taken because he allowed himself to be taken. There's nothing to be done now but mitigate his losses by selling at the higher gold price. Submit them and see where they cross. If they cross at 68 or 69 it won't hurt quite as much (it will still hurt, though).

    The other issue is whether the seller is still around to sue... no lawyer would take the case, except maybe Lionel Hutz.
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  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, what's the worth on them now??
  • It is shocking what some people will purchase unsolicited from the telephone or TV.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 31,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
    to late for the lawyers in my book


  • << <i>Who was the telemarketing firm that ripped off your customer. Are they still in operation? >>



    The operation is now closed , and hard to imagine the CEO is in prison for fraud.

    I do agree he should of done his due diligence , but it's those kind of dealers who give this entire industry a bad name. Thanks for all the responses.

    Happy collecting.
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  • Ultimately, a person is responsible for their own poor decisions. The customer purchased the coins, received and kept them. Poor judgement is just that.

    How many times have we been told that the purchase we are considering will be worth twice its current value in a year to which I reply, why then are you selling them to me now?

    However, I do know a broker who sold me shares in a company that went down the tubes, it's his fault I lost my money, I'm a victim.
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