Ha ha! Every time I post that 1862 I get quite a few "snickers" and related comments! I found this at a show and submitted it to Rick Snow, and he designated it as a new Snow variety (S-9).
<< <i>Charmy, cool coins as always. Did you have Fred check out the 1964 triple struck as I heard that this year had a lot of counterfeit ? >>
Actually, it is my understanding that these "errors" were manmade by a mint worker who I think spent some time in jail as a result.
<< <i>Charmy, cool coins as always. Did you have Fred check out the 1964 triple struck as I heard that this year had a lot of counterfeit ? >>
Actually, it is my understanding that these "errors" were manmade by a mint worker who I think spent some time in jail as a result. >>
In that case it would be considered a true mint error, plus a very good story to go along with the error. I just thought (not sure) I heard these were made outside the mint with false dies. Fred will know.
Actually, the counterfeit 1964 Cents are all multi-struck 'in the collar' types.
In 1966, the U.S. Attorney's Office in NY brought a case w/ a Federal Grand Jury against William Sheiner & Victor Piacentile, both of the Bronx.
39 counts total, including mail & wire fraud, sale of fraudelently altered coins, and the sale and possesion of the coins.
These man-made errors first started appearing in May, 1965, advertised in the NY Times for $75 each.....
The Triple Struck '64 Cents shown in this thread are considered genuine, although there are a few similar pieces that have lots of casting pits, etc. that I consider counterfiet.
Hope this info helps a bit......
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Wish I'd gotten decent pictures of this French white metal pattern, instead of these lousy scans. The coin was in an ANACS PR63 holder.
Note in particular the cherubs in her hair, and the backwards "4" in the date.
I sold or swapped this holey Indian cent to a friend some time ago. It had high grade details on the obverse and was from the 1890s if I recall correctly. What I couldn't figure out was why it had paint all over the back of it. My buddy solved the mystery when he got it- he noticed that it had a tiny painting of a snowy landscape and a church painted on it! I'd apparently never held the coin the right way to make any sense of the pictorial. Also, the paint had oxidized and/or darkened over time, so I think he "conserved" it a little bit to reveal the artwork.
<< <i>Actually, the counterfeit 1964 Cents are all multi-struck 'in the collar' types.
In 1966, the U.S. Attorney's Office in NY brought a case w/ a Federal Grand Jury against William Sheiner & Victor Piacentile, both of the Bronx.
39 counts total, including mail & wire fraud, sale of fraudelently altered coins, and the sale and possesion of the coins.
These man-made errors first started appearing in May, 1965, advertised in the NY Times for $75 each.....
The Triple Struck '64 Cents shown in this thread are considered genuine, although there are a few similar pieces that have lots of casting pits, etc. that I consider counterfiet.
Hope this info helps a bit...... >>
Fred, sincere thanks for providing the details of this story!
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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Geeez, how is anyone supposed to compete with that tripped out 64 tripple struck, very cool. The capped IHC is awesome, so is the IHC geer tooth. More than likely this is post Mint damage, but unusual. I call it "Mutilation". The reverse was subjected to horrors, while the obverse remains near gem condition. The lines on the reverse are raised above the coin.
This Peace dollar has a scary look, at least to me. Along the edge are 12 nothches spaced with exacting percision.
An indented, broadstruck, and split planchet 1964 nickel, from ErrrorsOnCoins.
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-Paul
<< <i>That 1862 is very phallic!
LOL, it really is!
-Paul
Here is a Double struck Die Cap ...
<< <i>That 1862 is very phallic!
So glad I wasn't the only one that thought so.
Many members on this forum that now it cannot fit in my signature. Please ask for entire list.
<< <i>Charmy, cool coins as always. Did you have Fred check out the 1964 triple struck as I heard that this year had a lot of counterfeit ? >>
Actually, it is my understanding that these "errors" were manmade by a mint worker who I think spent some time in jail as a result.
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<< <i>Charmy, cool coins as always. Did you have Fred check out the 1964 triple struck as I heard that this year had a lot of counterfeit ? >>
Actually, it is my understanding that these "errors" were manmade by a mint worker who I think spent some time in jail as a result. >>
In that case it would be considered a true mint error, plus a very good story to go along with the error. I just thought (not sure) I heard these were made outside the mint with false dies. Fred will know.
are all multi-struck 'in the collar' types.
In 1966, the U.S. Attorney's Office in NY
brought a case w/ a Federal Grand Jury
against William Sheiner & Victor Piacentile,
both of the Bronx.
39 counts total, including mail & wire fraud,
sale of fraudelently altered coins, and the
sale and possesion of the coins.
These man-made errors first started appearing
in May, 1965, advertised in the NY Times for
$75 each.....
The Triple Struck '64 Cents shown in this thread
are considered genuine, although there are
a few similar pieces that have lots of casting
pits, etc. that I consider counterfiet.
Hope this info helps a bit......
close up of error
FS:1938-S US PCGS MS66 nickel
https://photos.app.goo.gl/oiJzk63mxvdY77EeA
Note in particular the cherubs in her hair, and the backwards "4" in the date.
I sold or swapped this holey Indian cent to a friend some time ago. It had high grade details on the obverse and was from the 1890s if I recall correctly. What I couldn't figure out was why it had paint all over the back of it. My buddy solved the mystery when he got it- he noticed that it had a tiny painting of a snowy landscape and a church painted on it! I'd apparently never held the coin the right way to make any sense of the pictorial. Also, the paint had oxidized and/or darkened over time, so I think he "conserved" it a little bit to reveal the artwork.
Ed. S.
(EJS)
Edited to add, I deleted the obverse of the second token, don't want to see the thread nuked.
<< <i>Actually, the counterfeit 1964 Cents
are all multi-struck 'in the collar' types.
In 1966, the U.S. Attorney's Office in NY
brought a case w/ a Federal Grand Jury
against William Sheiner & Victor Piacentile,
both of the Bronx.
39 counts total, including mail & wire fraud,
sale of fraudelently altered coins, and the
sale and possesion of the coins.
These man-made errors first started appearing
in May, 1965, advertised in the NY Times for
$75 each.....
The Triple Struck '64 Cents shown in this thread
are considered genuine, although there are
a few similar pieces that have lots of casting
pits, etc. that I consider counterfiet.
Hope this info helps a bit...... >>
Fred, sincere thanks for providing the details of this story!
The Penny Lady®
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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The capped IHC is awesome, so is the IHC geer tooth.
More than likely this is post Mint damage, but unusual. I call it "Mutilation".
The reverse was subjected to horrors, while the obverse remains near gem condition.
The lines on the reverse are raised above the coin.
This Peace dollar has a scary look, at least to me.
Along the edge are 12 nothches spaced with exacting percision.
An indented, broadstruck, and split planchet 1964 nickel, from ErrrorsOnCoins.