Newp from D Carr, Trade Dollar
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What an awesome piece. It is so brilliant that it challenges my mediocre photography talents. Love the design and with a mintage of 62, what's not to like.
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Have you noticed the change in feathers on the 2011 version?
Back in the old days when the U.S. Government was issuing five denominations of coins with five designs, most everyone could identify every coin that was in circulation. Now we have five or six different quarters every year; we had four different cents in 2009 and five different dollar coins. Those citizens who are not coin collectors don’t pay a lot of attention to these multiple issues. One of the things that thwarts counterfeiters is a uniformity of the monetary system. That might be boring for coin collectors, but it makes sense for the economy, which is primary use for coinage.
The design of this silver round is fraught with dangers for immigrants and visitors to The United States. The design includes the words “Liberty,” “United States of America,” “E Pluribus Unum” and a value, “20 trade dollars.” There are no markings that this is not an official issue of The United States Government.
Sure, an ounce of silver is worth almost $30 today, but there are no guarantees that that price will still be that high in the future. If it were to drop below $20, there is nothing on this silver round that would indicate that it is, in fact, not $20 dollars. Therefore the possibility of fraud would be possible with this piece.
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Andrew
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<< <i>Wasn't there another minter that made coins meant to be traded as currency that got shut down by the Feds? I'm not implying Dan has these same intentions, but that doesn't mean the buyers of his products would feel the same and try to pass them off as currency. >>
I believe you're correct. I remember reading this about two years ago. I think it had to do with the Amero.
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<< <i>I don't care for this at all ...
Back in the old days when the U.S. Government was issuing five denominations of coins with five designs, most everyone could identify every coin that was in circulation. Now we have five or six different quarters every year; we had four different cents in 2009 and five different dollar coins. Those citizens who are not coin collectors don’t pay a lot of attention to these multiple issues. One of the things that thwarts counterfeiters is a uniformity of the monetary system. That might be boring for coin collectors, but it makes sense for the economy, which is primary use for coinage.
The design of this silver round is fraught with dangers of immigrants and visitors to The United States. The design includes the words “Liberty,” “United States of America,” “E Pluribus Unum” and a value, “20 trade dollars.” There are no markings that this is not an official issue of The United States Government.
Sure, an ounce of silver is worth almost $30 today, but there are no guarantees that that price will still be that high in the future. If it were to drop below $20, there is nothing on this silver round that would indicate that it is, in fact, not $20 dollars at all. Therefore the possibility of fraud would be possible with this piece. >>
It's a fine line that could become very costly if someone (a politician, an agent, a judge, etc.) wanted to make a name for themselves.
<< <i>I see the appreciation of this coin seems to be following the fan status of the 64 peace. I don't think there would be so many negative comments without this prejudice. --jerry >>
I agree... I think the 1964-D stepped over the line for most numismatists. It has had both a positive effect (increased sales) and negative effect (bad publicity) for DCarr. It has undoubtedly made people more attentive to deceptive bullion.
they foster not a shred of negativity from any aspect .....
they are as pure and perfect as the new fallen snow
<< <i>they are as pure and perfect as the new fallen snow >>
Acid Snow
Snow that contains a high concentration of pollutants, chiefly sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxide, released into the atmosphere by the burning of fossil fuels such as coal or oil.
Yep, as pure and perfect as the new fallen snow.
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<< <i>Wasn't there another minter that made coins meant to be traded as currency that got shut down by the Feds? I'm not implying Dan has these same intentions, but that doesn't mean the buyers of his products would feel the same and try to pass them off as currency. >>
I believe you're correct. I remember reading this about two years ago. I think it had to do with the Amero. >>
You are thinking about the Liberty Dollars, not the Ameros.
Entirely different kettle of fish.
TD
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<< <i>Wasn't there another minter that made coins meant to be traded as currency that got shut down by the Feds? I'm not implying Dan has these same intentions, but that doesn't mean the buyers of his products would feel the same and try to pass them off as currency. >>
I believe you're correct. I remember reading this about two years ago. I think it had to do with the Amero. >>
You are thinking about the Liberty Dollars, not the Ameros.
Entirely different kettle of fish.
TD >>
Yes Capt, you are correct. Thanks.
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<< <i>These items are polarizing influences for the forum. People either love them, or hate them, or they don't care and don't see what all the fuss is about. >>
There are also those of us who think both sides are overreacting in defense of their position.
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<< <i>These items are polarizing influences for the forum. People either love them, or hate them, or they don't care and don't see what all the fuss is about. >>
There are also those of us who think both sides are overreacting in defense of their position. >>
You can say that until this encourages more private minters emulating Mr. Carr. Then you will have chaos in the U.S. collector market, the whole U.S. economy or both. China has reached the point where the banks there will not accept coins, not even U.S. dollar coins, becasue there are so many counterfeits in circulation.
All I want to see is the word "COPY" on this stuff or some marking that it is not an official U.S. coin. That is the law, and it is a good one. Until that happens, others and I will continue to be “polarizing influences.”
<< <i>What an awesome piece. It is so brilliant that it challenges my mediocre photography talents. Love the design and with a mintage of 62, what's not to like.
What year is this piece Jerry? I can't seem to find it on Daniel's web site.
Never mind, I found it.
The name is LEE!
TD
<< <i>Not to hijack the thread, it's a cool looking round/medal/token, but is it legal to privately mint a coin that says United States of America which makes it appear as if it's a US Mint product? Perhaps Mr. Carr would weigh in on this as I am certain he has investigated and contemplated this issue. This question is not posted to inflame, but is a simple inquiry.
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Andrew >>
the 2007 reverses were similar
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<< <i>Looks like one of the beings from the movie Avatar. >>
Lmao it really does!
lets see YOUR artwork.
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Trade tokens are legal so long as they aren't the same size as circulating US coins (this one is 39mm).
<< <i>Art work leaves a lot to be desired, cheap looking. To each his own I guess regardless of quality. >>
IMO Mike, the artwork and quality on this coin far surpasses that which is on the 2011 Kennedy Half Dollar.
Although the date could be a bit bigger.......
The name is LEE!
<< <i>I think you're moving in the right direction with the design. This one (the 2011) is much less "cluttered", I like it a lot better. >>
...and it doesn't say DOLLARS!
.so it's not a bone to pick over the Fantasy Peace Dollars at all ; it's just a non-justifiable disgust and detestably attitude towards D.Carr's pieces altogether ?
...and the irrational fear that we will soon become over run with privately produced contemporary counterfeits that will cause
the impending doom and collapse of our entire U.S economic monetary system ?
oh........, now I get it -
Mr. Carrs "coins" are the first sign's of the end of the world as we know it
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<< <i>These items are polarizing influences for the forum. People either love them, or hate them, or they don't care and don't see what all the fuss is about. >>
There are also those of us who think both sides are overreacting in defense of their position. >>
You can say that until this encourages more private minters emulating Mr. Carr. Then you will have chaos in the U.S. collector market, the whole U.S. economy or both. China has reached the point where the banks there will not accept coins, not even U.S. dollar coins, becasue there are so many counterfeits in circulation.
All I want to see is the word "COPY" on this stuff or some marking that it is not an official U.S. coin. That is the law, and it is a good one. Until that happens, others and I will continue to be “polarizing influences.” >>
to have the word "copy" on it it would in turn have to be a copy of something! Don't cha think?
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<< <i>These items are polarizing influences for the forum. People either love them, or hate them, or they don't care and don't see what all the fuss is about. >>
There are also those of us who think both sides are overreacting in defense of their position. >>
You can say that until this encourages more private minters emulating Mr. Carr. Then you will have chaos in the U.S. collector market, the whole U.S. economy or both. China has reached the point where the banks there will not accept coins, not even U.S. dollar coins, becasue there are so many counterfeits in circulation.
All I want to see is the word "COPY" on this stuff or some marking that it is not an official U.S. coin. That is the law, and it is a good one. Until that happens, others and I will continue to be “polarizing influences.” >>
to have the word "copy" on it it would in turn have to be a copy of something! Don't cha think? >>
It wouldn't be as desirable if it wasn't a copy of the 1964-D Peace dollars that were minted in 1964. Next...
These mediocre caricatures are like so much of the same draughtsman's products. Some of the old designs proposed for state quarters had much better composition and proportion. Not this or the other more recent medals. Some might like them, and that is fine for them.
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<< <i>These items are polarizing influences for the forum. People either love them, or hate them, or they don't care and don't see what all the fuss is about. >>
There are also those of us who think both sides are overreacting in defense of their position. >>
You can say that until this encourages more private minters emulating Mr. Carr. Then you will have chaos in the U.S. collector market, the whole U.S. economy or both. China has reached the point where the banks there will not accept coins, not even U.S. dollar coins, becasue there are so many counterfeits in circulation.
All I want to see is the word "COPY" on this stuff or some marking that it is not an official U.S. coin. That is the law, and it is a good one. Until that happens, others and I will continue to be “polarizing influences.” >>
to have the word "copy" on it it would in turn have to be a copy of something! Don't cha think? >>
Personally i dont think they should have the word copy on them. I do feel that they should have "not legal tender" on them.
<< <i>This is the 2007 Version of "twenty trade dollars'. A Modern Liberty design which I feel is very Artistic, yet very Powerful.
Love that design, very art deco
<< <i>2011 version as a 20-Amero:
There are so many threads going, did you ever answer my map question as to whether or not the Hawaiian Islands are part of the Union of North America?
TD
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<< <i>2011 version as a 20-Amero:
There are so many threads going, did you ever answer my map question as to whether or not the Hawaiian Islands are part of the Union of North America?
TD >>
You really studied that coin!
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<< <i>2011 version as a 20-Amero:
There are so many threads going, did you ever answer my map question as to whether or not the Hawaiian Islands are part of the Union of North America?
TD >>
You really studied that coin!
It's almost like he's a numismatist or something.
<< <i>Small and faint, but there:
Who was it that said a 20X loupe had no place in numismatics?
Note that the exact center of that map projection is coincident with the location of the Moonlight Mint facility
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Note that the exact center of that map projection is coincident with the location of the Moonlight Mint facility
So much for the "undisclosed location."
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Note that the exact center of that map projection is coincident with the location of the Moonlight Mint facility
So much for the "undisclosed location."
His mailing address and street address are listed on the internet... and now on the 2011 20-Amero!
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Note that the exact center of that map projection is coincident with the location of the Moonlight Mint facility
Really? I'd've guessed it was the Coors Brewery over in Golden......