A very nice 1807! I too missed it. FYI, it's a B-1. Who ever owns it I'm sure is very happy.
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I saw that coin on the early-bird email they send out. A VERY nice coin. I would have bought it if it were another date (1806 or 1805) because I have an 1807 that looks just like it. I thought it would be nice to have a matched set, but I wasn't about to have two of the same date.
Going by the reverse I'd say the coin is really better than Fine; it's more like Choice VF. The trouble is the obverse may have been damaged by a clash of dies, which clearly shows on the reverse, and that had that polished off along with some the detail on MS. Liberty. It's not unusual for reverse to be better than the obverse on early U.S. coins. These coins also suffered from the fact that there was no protective rim on either side.
An any rate Fine is a more than fair grade for it based upon the sharpness, but as it is with many early U.S. coins, the grade might be higher than you think.
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I was the previous owner of the coin. I liked it a lot and had mixed feelings about parting with it.
Ultimately, I was in the mindset of wanting to raise capital for other purchases, and I intend to replace it with an example of the type that is as original but has a little more meat on it. That should be a challenging task to complete.
As stated above, it is really a B-1 not a B-2 as was listed by CRO (I know that I sold you guys a book! )
The 1807's are notorious for shallow and weak rims. Because of the lack of high rims, the portrait will show even a small amount of wear. This is due to the collar die that was used in striking them. By the time the 1807’s were struck, it had expanded and was worn out. This kept the edge of the planchets from being upset and contributed to the vast majority of incomplete reeding found for this date.
"Going by the reverse I'd say the coin is really better than Fine; it's more like Choice VF. The trouble is the obverse may have been damaged by a clash of dies, which clearly shows on the reverse, and that had that polished off along with some the detail on MS. Liberty. It's not unusual for reverse to be better than the obverse on early U.S. coins. These coins also suffered from the fact that there was no protective rim on either side."
The reverse die clash actually occurred in a previous die marriage, as this reverse die was also used in 1805 (B-4) and 1806 (B-1). It is far more common to find this reverse with a “washed out” look due to repeated lapping, but this looks like a nice example.
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The reverse is outstanding. I have been holding out for one in XF for quite sometime. It seems a very tough date to locate in XF unless it has been molested in some way. The search continues.
<< <i>The reverse is outstanding. I have been holding out for one in XF for quite sometime. It seems a very tough date to locate in XF unless it has been molested in some way. The search continues.
Tom >>
I bought this 1807 B-2 many years ago. Given the fact that coin has not protective rims, finding one in EF would be very difficult. It would not take long for this wear down from Mint State to VF or lower. This one is of some interest to die state collectors because it does not have the usual die break on the reverse. It is believed that this piece was in the Brand collection.
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Someone will be pleased with that purchase.
An any rate Fine is a more than fair grade for it based upon the sharpness, but as it is with many early U.S. coins, the grade might be higher than you think.
<< <i>Sweet coin. But it's not copper, RTS.
Early quarters are the next best thing.
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<< <i>Sweet coin. But it's not copper, RTS.
Early quarters are the next best thing. >>
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Ultimately, I was in the mindset of wanting to raise capital for other purchases, and I intend to replace it with an example of the type that is as original but has a little more meat on it. That should be a challenging task to complete.
The 1807's are notorious for shallow and weak rims. Because of the lack of high rims, the portrait will show even a small amount of wear. This is due to the collar die that was used in striking them. By the time the 1807’s were struck, it had expanded and was worn out. This kept the edge of the planchets from being upset and contributed to the vast majority of incomplete reeding found for this date.
"Going by the reverse I'd say the coin is really better than Fine; it's more like Choice VF. The trouble is the obverse may have been damaged by a clash of dies, which clearly shows on the reverse, and that had that polished off along with some the detail on MS. Liberty. It's not unusual for reverse to be better than the obverse on early U.S. coins. These coins also suffered from the fact that there was no protective rim on either side."
The reverse die clash actually occurred in a previous die marriage, as this reverse die was also used in 1805 (B-4) and 1806 (B-1). It is far more common to find this reverse with a “washed out” look due to repeated lapping, but this looks like a nice example.
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<< <i>As stated above, it is really a B-1 not a B-2 as was listed by CRO (I know that I sold you guys a book!
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<< <i>The reverse is outstanding. I have been holding out for one in XF for quite sometime. It seems a very tough date to locate in XF unless it has been molested in some way. The search continues.
Tom >>
I bought this 1807 B-2 many years ago. Given the fact that coin has not protective rims, finding one in EF would be very difficult. It would not take long for this wear down from Mint State to VF or lower. This one is of some interest to die state collectors because it does not have the usual die break on the reverse. It is believed that this piece was in the Brand collection.