A dealer friend of mine showed me a proof 1956 Franklin in a doily. It was a type 1 (not attributed), and was graded MS-66. Yes- MS, not PR 66. Very cool. I asked him how much he wanted for it, and he told me it wasn't for sale.
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The first two Doilies I bought without the outer shells were interesting . . . but now, after a few months on this Doily binge, I find them just 'damaged'. Yup Bajjer . . .I am always charting what the 'Doily Premium' is, for all types!
Never saw the Roosie sample . . . it doesn't show up on my normal Doily searches. But same seller sold me an identical one a month ago . . . for the same price. I think the cuteness factor is now gone. I am starting to get just a bit more selective on my Doilies . . .
For whatever reason (yeah, right, like I don't know), it seems the Doilies are getting a bit of popularity now. I guess so, from the prices they are now getting offered to me at (sentence ending with a preposition). Oh well, the search has re-ignited the numismatic fire! Fun to go after something with a passion.
Let's keep the Doily front and center !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I owe a fellow Board member for bringing it to my attention. Seems that despite my eBay searches I miss things. Guess I just don't use the right search criteria, but I would think "Doily" would have made it come up . . . it didn't.
It is the latest coin in a Doily (1984) . . . the only error (DDO) coin currently known . . .and the only business strike Lincoln (the other is a proof). I was pumped to get it. Paid up a bit, but was happy it went for what it did. I had nightmares of "what might have happened". Thought I was lucky on this, all things considered.
By the way . . . the 1887/6 Morgan Regency is back for another 29 days. I tried on the "Make Offer", apparently like many others, but didn't get a sell response. It'd be a fun coin to get, but for the asking price, I would hate to make myself more of a slab-laughing-stock than I already am. Apparently it has made the rounds for about 2 years.
Thanks to all who have helped in the Doily search!
Added on 1/8/2013 1883-O $1 MS-63 #8183515 stickered (GOLD) purchased from Ankur 1887-P $1 MS-65 #7303278 (not yet stickered)
SAMPLE PCGS DOILY slabs (acquired from the wingsrule sample collection):
1955-D 10c MS-64 #5129.64/7000023 (COMPLIMENTS OF RUFFCO 1-800-722-7833 on the ring around the dime) 1959-P 10c MS-64 #5129.64/7000023 1964-D 10c MS-64 #5129.64/7000023
<< <i>I am of the opinion the Doilies without the outer ring are damaged . . . missing the shell due to mishandling. I have two of them . . .and many more with chips or chunks missing where they hit the bourse floor at high velocity after being fumbled by some coin nerd . . . >>
I agree with Drunner on this.
Also keep in mind that many dealers and collectors including myself purposely took off the outer ring of the doily insert slab back in 1990 because they did not fit in the PCGS rattler cardboard box of 20 or in similar sized boxes meant to carry PCGS rattlers. The double shelled doily insert slabs was an odd and oversized slab at the time and was first considered an annoyance rather than considered a standard sized slab as the previous PCGS 2.0 slab was not yet considered the standard sized slab.
Well, Jeff will be adding a new one to his collection. I decided to sell a few things (to help with 2 purchases I just made) and one of the items was a recently picked up doily morgan that he had seen in a previous thread and told me to keep him in mind on. Jeff's a really great guy and I am glad he will get the morgan. We happen to have a couple dupes of the date and I don't collect holders, though, as our only doily, it was cool to have. Oh well, I will always have the pictures
There is a definite bias in census of the old doily slabs towards the less expensive lower graded coins.
Why? They are cheaper to acquire, hold and there is little incentive to attempt to crack out. The premium enjoyed by the doily slab over the coin's value is at its highest when the coin is inexpensive,
As we can already see, they are not rare or even all that scarce as they were saved in sufficient quantities. Furthermore, just by using my box of 20 doilys, while the vast majority of them are solid to even PQ for the grade, few of them are severely under graded as the ones that were severely under graded were cracked out long ago. As a result, very few doily slabs earn gold stickered.
Despite the lack of ultimate scarcity, the doilys are very, very much in demand. They have the unusual look (a la black NGC slab) and because of the unusual look, they are easily recognized and thus command a ever growing premium as the few remaining doily slabs vanish from the bourse tables. It seems that the smaller shows rather than the national shows represent a better opportunity to acquire a doily slab.
I suspect there are at least 400 to 1000 of them floating around in older collections that have not seen the light of day in 15 or more years. I do know of one collection of 40 different walkers that are in doily slabs that was put together when doily slabs were issued.
Boiler, nice coin! First of it's type to hit the census, thanks.
Orville, I have drawn many (if not all) of the same conclusions. I find that we are on the same page. Answering those questions with a quantitative analysis is one of the reasons I decided to undertake this project. I have often wondered how many Doilies were made, and by extension, how many survive. We have run across a few sets of sequential cert. numbers. This leads me to believe that there are fewer than I originally speculated. My original thought is that the surviving population would be somewhere in the 1500 to the 2000 mark, but now I think that figure is lower, perhaps much lower. I would be curious to know if PCGS has figures on how many were made.
<< <i>There is a definite bias in census of the old doily slabs towards the less expensive lower graded coins.
Why? They are cheaper to acquire, hold and there is little incentive to attempt to crack out. The premium enjoyed by the doily slab over the coin's value is at its highest when the coin is inexpensive,
As we can already see, they are not rare or even all that scarce as they were saved in sufficient quantities. Furthermore, just by using my box of 20 doilys, while the vast majority of them are solid to even PQ for the grade, few of them are severely under graded as the ones that were severely under graded were cracked out long ago. As a result, very few doily slabs earn gold stickered.
Despite the lack of ultimate scarcity, the doilys are very, very much in demand. They have the unusual look (a la black NGC slab) and because of the unusual look, they are easily recognized and thus command a ever growing premium as the few remaining doily slabs vanish from the bourse tables. It seems that the smaller shows rather than the national shows represent a better opportunity to acquire a doily slab.
I suspect there are at least 400 to 1000 of them floating around in older collections that have not seen the light of day in 15 or more years. I do know of one collection of 40 different walkers that are in doily slabs that was put together when doily slabs were issued. >>
Even back then when PCGS was only about 3 years old there was a tendency to submit a lot of low grade stuff. I doubt if submitters were any smarter then than they are now; it is just that people have had plenty of time to get the "if it aint slabbed, it aint shet" mantra drilled into their heads.
Kudos to Simon for keeping this up to date and relevant. If nothing else, the attention paid to the Doilies is helping to bring a few more to light. I notice when I mentioned my 1984 DDR Lincoln was the only Mint State Lincoln in a Doily, it brought a couple more to light. Same thing when it was mentioned it was the only error. A few others are appearing that may not have if the gauntlet was not laid down. It doesn't have much relevance to anything, but it is interesting to see the additions in the Census.
I am sure there are more thrown into safety deposit boxes that won't be revealed for decades. I just like the history and also the current market stabilizations on these. The pricing structure on Doilies has rapidly risen to a point where most people have a basic knowledge of what they go for and the percentage of premium as compared to basic price of the coin. Some people still are looking for 'moon money' for any Doily out there (there is one on eBay as we speak---but I also notice that it has been relisted several times). I have used Oreville's observations to help in my collecting of them as well. They are out there and eventually, you can run into a few. Paying ridiculous money for them certainly is possible, but maybe not required.
Clearly it would be worth the price of the hockey puck, plus an extra 20-50%, unless the hockey puck were a true rarity (high price,) then it would likely not add much value to the puck itself. The more expensive the puck, the less the "doily factor" effects the overall hammer of the puck. I just like to say puck!
I have a harder time with the glaring whiteness of the coin than I do the hit on the cheek. If the coin were not dipped I would imagine the hit wouldn't be so dramatic. I love the date, and it's in a seriously nice state of preservation. I'll bet dollars to dimes that I know a few people that are going to take a serious stab at winning that one! There's only two bust halves that are currently on the Census, this one and a reeded edge sample. Ahhem....Drunner....Ahemm...
I love it when scarce coins come in doily holders, it's just plain cool!
I am still looking for a quarter in a doily holder. I find it mind boggling that the quarter is one of the commonest coins in US commerce, but relative to how common they are, they're downright rare in doily holders. I will trade my doilies two to one for a stinkin' quarter!!! (I collect mainly quarters, therein lies my obsession.)
I agree with Simon on the whiteness. The pix probably don't do the coin justice, but what do I know. I had better not try to adopt some 'hoity-toity' "that coin just isn't up to my Doily Standards" attitude now! I think it is obvious I have been the (ahem) Doily Slut of the Boards and I'd buy a rusted, ground-found washer if there was some way to wrap a lace-pattern insert around it. If I 'posed' now, I'd be a bigger fool than just hounding around for Doilies . . .
I've never bid on a Heritage coin yet . . . but I have a good contact there. Perhaps I'll have to think on this one and maybe make a call. Or. . . . talk with a dealer who could bid for me live. Don't know . . .I have time and we'll see on this one . .
Enjoy the Hunt! And thanks Simon again, for all your work on this!
This 1812 in the Dolly holder is mine.... the whiteness doesn't bother me at all ! Bid away... also if it didn't have the hit on the cheek the coin would be in a MS63 holder
<< <i>This 1812 in the Dolly holder is mine.... the whiteness doesn't bother me at all ! Bid away... also if it didn't have the hit on the cheek the coin would be in a MS63 holder >>
That coin is beautiful but just can't get past the cheek issue.
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<< <i>This 1812 in the Dolly holder is mine.... the whiteness doesn't bother me at all ! Bid away... also if it didn't have the hit on the cheek the coin would be in a MS63 holder >>
I was thinking the same thing. I don't really see any wear on the coin to speak of.
Wasn't sure what Ed meant initially . . .was the coin originally his? Or, are we forewarned it will be?
I think it is the latter.
OK, so perhaps I should not make that Heritage call. A Doily premium on a $2k coin . . . hmmmmmm, if it is 2 to 2.5 times the price of the coin . . . (I don't think it is) ???
Antietam arrived from NEN. Great people up there. Not too many Doily Commems around so I was happy to secure this one. MS64 but probably NOT an upgrade (yeah, like I'm going to crack it) due to a couple of hits on the cheek of Lee, but solid Doily.
Maybe if I ever transport myself into the 20th (forget the 21st) Century, I'll post some pix!!!!!
<< <i>Antietam arrived from NEN. Great people up there. Not too many Doily Commems around so I was happy to secure this one. MS64 but probably NOT an upgrade (yeah, like I'm going to crack it) due to a couple of hits on the cheek of Lee, but solid Doily.
Maybe if I ever transport myself into the 20th (forget the 21st) Century, I'll post some pix!!!!!
Drunner >>
You had at least ONE Doily commem prior to that Antietam!!!
And I will publically commend you for (OK, now I feel guilty) contributing to the Drunner Doily Set . . . and yeah, I have not pushed on the Census to have all the Coomems (or others) I have labeled as "Drunner", but that super Stone Mtn. will be forever known as the "NotSure/Drunner" pedigree!!!!
I hope your second night at the part-time job turned out ok . . .
From now on any Doily missing the outer ring (or has a damaged outer ring) will be identified with a small "m" in parenthesis. It will appear as such 82999183 (m) Hopefully this will help more accurately identify the state of the holder, and help people know which holders have full integrity (worth more) and those that are inferior (worth less of a premium.)
If you have a coin listed on the census and it is missing the ring, please let me know. Obviously it will never be definitive, but it will be a nice help to those considering the purchase of a doily holdered coin.
Thanks Bajjerfan for talking me into doing this!
***Changed from a star to a small "m" for reasons stated by oreville (he makes an excellent point.)
I PM'd Billet7 on the two I had that were missing the outer ring. I'll have a third in that condition in a little while (no, I'm not planning on destroying one . . . one is coming my way). The 1958 Roosie Sample and the W/C Commem are missing the rings.
Oreville (and Bajjerfan) have posed some good options for the Dedicated Doily Dudes . . . and Oreville he PMd some other wise ideas to me. I think he is distantly related to Jack Bauer.
Drunner
(edited to give Bajjerfan the credit he justly deserves)
I think we have reached an inevitable stage in the doily census. By necessity we are going to have to eliminate the listing of doily slabs without the cert number. Originally one could submit the coin with your user name OR the cert number, but it has gotten to the point we need to have the cert number to list it. Duplicates are becoming a problem. So for the ones I have already listed, they will remain, but we will cease listing any new ones that do not have the cert number. I would let an excessively rare one slide by, but that's about it. There is just too many Morgan duplicates out there, and rather than let it get out of control, I think it's best to head the problem off sooner rather than later.
If you have a coin listed that does not have the cert number, please let me know so that I can add the cert number. Thanks for all who have contributed, this has really turned into a neat project and it really helps illustrate this interesting little bit of PCGS history.
I have also deleted any "pedigree" associated with the coin that doesn't need it. The census has been getting cluttered and this was the only way to clean it up. Eventually I am going to figure out a method of loading the census into a database to make all this much more streamlined and user-friendly, but until then I will continue doing the best I can.
BTW does anyone know if there is software that will act as a spreadsheet (like excel) and update/upload directly to a PCGS forum thread (such as this one?)
Doilies missing the outer ring will be identified with a small (m) instead of a star, for reasons mentioned by oreville. To avoid confusion of quality vs. missing outer ring.
Comments
<< <i>Too bad the Morgan is missing it's outter shell...for me that kills most of the value of the doily holder
I did mention that point to the seller.
<< <i>Too bad the Morgan is missing it's outter shell...for me that kills most of the value of the doily holder
I see that it is now at about market value. Will be interesting to see what a half doily premium is.
Never saw the Roosie sample . . . it doesn't show up on my normal Doily searches. But same seller sold me an identical one a month ago . . . for the same price. I think the cuteness factor is now gone. I am starting to get just a bit more selective on my Doilies . . .
For whatever reason (yeah, right, like I don't know), it seems the Doilies are getting a bit of popularity now. I guess so, from the prices they are now getting offered to me at (sentence ending with a preposition). Oh well, the search has re-ignited the numismatic fire! Fun to go after something with a passion.
Let's keep the Doily front and center !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Drunner
As always . . very interested in preserving those Doilies. PM me if you ever have any interest in selling!
Drunner
Nice Score for someone
I owe a fellow Board member for bringing it to my attention. Seems that despite my eBay searches I miss things. Guess I just don't use the right search criteria, but I would think "Doily" would have made it come up . . . it didn't.
It is the latest coin in a Doily (1984) . . . the only error (DDO) coin currently known . . .and the only business strike Lincoln (the other is a proof). I was pumped to get it. Paid up a bit, but was happy it went for what it did. I had nightmares of "what might have happened". Thought I was lucky on this, all things considered.
By the way . . . the 1887/6 Morgan Regency is back for another 29 days. I tried on the "Make Offer", apparently like many others, but didn't get a sell response. It'd be a fun coin to get, but for the asking price, I would hate to make myself more of a slab-laughing-stock than I already am. Apparently it has made the rounds for about 2 years.
Thanks to all who have helped in the Doily search!
Drunner
1972-P 1c MS-65RD #6249672 (DDO) stickered
1956-P 1c PR-65RD #8185228 stickered
1938-D 5c MS-64 #8184686 stickered
1942-P 10c MS-65FB #8181270 stickered
1945-D 10c MS-65FB # 8201446 (not stickered)
1956-P 50c MS-64 # 8183847 stickered
1961-D 50c MS-64 # 6218860 stickered
1962-D 50c MS-64 # 7300510 stickered
1957-P 50c PR-66 # 8200740 stickered
1881-S $1 MS-65 # 6245128 stickered
1881-S $1 MS-65 #7343991 stickered
1881-S $1 MS-64 # 6220805 stickered (missing outer ring)
1885-O $1 MS-63 # 9142194 stickered
1886-P $1 MS-63 # 8183783 stickered
1900-O $1 MS-63 # 5110644 stickered
1901-O $1 MS-64 # 7345571 (not stickered) (missing outer ring)
1902-O $1 MS-64 # 7303625 stickered
1904-O $1 MS-64 # 5108013 stickered
1904-O $1 MS-63 # 8185688 stickered (missing outer ring)
1923-P $1 MS-63 # 3130335 stickered (missing outer ring)
1925-P $1 MS-65 #7344042 stickered
1900-P $5 AU-58 # 9142573 stickered
1913-P $5 MS-63 # 7337934 (not stickered)
1897-P $20 MS-60 # 6240611 stickered (GOLD)
1904-P $20 MS-63 #4017108 stickered
1927-P $20 MS-63 # 6243246 stickered
Added on 1/8/2013
1883-O $1 MS-63 #8183515 stickered (GOLD) purchased from Ankur
1887-P $1 MS-65 #7303278 (not yet stickered)
SAMPLE PCGS DOILY slabs (acquired from the wingsrule sample collection):
1955-D 10c MS-64 #5129.64/7000023 (COMPLIMENTS OF RUFFCO 1-800-722-7833 on the ring around the dime)
1959-P 10c MS-64 #5129.64/7000023
1964-D 10c MS-64 #5129.64/7000023
<< <i>I am of the opinion the Doilies without the outer ring are damaged . . . missing the shell due to mishandling. I have two of them . . .and many more with chips or chunks missing where they hit the bourse floor at high velocity after being fumbled by some coin nerd . . . >>
I agree with Drunner on this.
Also keep in mind that many dealers and collectors including myself purposely took off the outer ring of the doily insert slab back in 1990 because they did not fit in the PCGS rattler cardboard box of 20 or in similar sized boxes meant to carry PCGS rattlers. The double shelled doily insert slabs was an odd and oversized slab at the time and was first considered an annoyance rather than considered a standard sized slab as the previous PCGS 2.0 slab was not yet considered the standard sized slab.
I decided to sell a few things (to help with 2 purchases I just made) and one of the items was a recently picked up doily morgan that he had seen in a previous thread and told me to keep him in mind on.
Jeff's a really great guy and I am glad he will get the morgan. We happen to have a couple dupes of the date and I don't collect holders, though, as our only doily, it was cool to have. Oh well, I will always have the pictures
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Eddited to add: As requested here is the cert - 8183361
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Why? They are cheaper to acquire, hold and there is little incentive to attempt to crack out. The premium enjoyed by the doily slab over the coin's value is at its highest when the coin is inexpensive,
As we can already see, they are not rare or even all that scarce as they were saved in sufficient quantities. Furthermore, just by using my box of 20 doilys, while the vast majority of them are solid to even PQ for the grade, few of them are severely under graded as the ones that were severely under graded were cracked out long ago. As a result, very few doily slabs earn gold stickered.
Despite the lack of ultimate scarcity, the doilys are very, very much in demand. They have the unusual look (a la black NGC slab) and because of the unusual look, they are easily recognized and thus command a ever growing premium as the few remaining doily slabs vanish from the bourse tables. It seems that the smaller shows rather than the national shows represent a better opportunity to acquire a doily slab.
I suspect there are at least 400 to 1000 of them floating around in older collections that have not seen the light of day in 15 or more years. I do know of one collection of 40 different walkers that are in doily slabs that was put together when doily slabs were issued.
Boiler, nice coin! First of it's type to hit the census, thanks.
Orville, I have drawn many (if not all) of the same conclusions. I find that we are on the same page. Answering those questions with a quantitative analysis is one of the reasons I decided to undertake this project. I have often wondered how many Doilies were made, and by extension, how many survive. We have run across a few sets of sequential cert. numbers. This leads me to believe that there are fewer than I originally speculated. My original thought is that the surviving population would be somewhere in the 1500 to the 2000 mark, but now I think that figure is lower, perhaps much lower. I would be curious to know if PCGS has figures on how many were made.
Thanks everyone for your submissions!
<< <i>There is a definite bias in census of the old doily slabs towards the less expensive lower graded coins.
Why? They are cheaper to acquire, hold and there is little incentive to attempt to crack out. The premium enjoyed by the doily slab over the coin's value is at its highest when the coin is inexpensive,
As we can already see, they are not rare or even all that scarce as they were saved in sufficient quantities. Furthermore, just by using my box of 20 doilys, while the vast majority of them are solid to even PQ for the grade, few of them are severely under graded as the ones that were severely under graded were cracked out long ago. As a result, very few doily slabs earn gold stickered.
Despite the lack of ultimate scarcity, the doilys are very, very much in demand. They have the unusual look (a la black NGC slab) and because of the unusual look, they are easily recognized and thus command a ever growing premium as the few remaining doily slabs vanish from the bourse tables. It seems that the smaller shows rather than the national shows represent a better opportunity to acquire a doily slab.
I suspect there are at least 400 to 1000 of them floating around in older collections that have not seen the light of day in 15 or more years. I do know of one collection of 40 different walkers that are in doily slabs that was put together when doily slabs were issued. >>
Even back then when PCGS was only about 3 years old there was a tendency to submit a lot of low grade stuff. I doubt if submitters were any smarter then than they are now; it is just that people have had plenty of time to get the "if it aint slabbed, it aint shet" mantra drilled into their heads.
The Morgan has hit my collection and is superb!
Kudos to Simon for keeping this up to date and relevant. If nothing else, the attention paid to the Doilies is helping to bring a few more to light. I notice when I mentioned my 1984 DDR Lincoln was the only Mint State Lincoln in a Doily, it brought a couple more to light. Same thing when it was mentioned it was the only error. A few others are appearing that may not have if the gauntlet was not laid down. It doesn't have much relevance to anything, but it is interesting to see the additions in the Census.
I am sure there are more thrown into safety deposit boxes that won't be revealed for decades. I just like the history and also the current market stabilizations on these. The pricing structure on Doilies has rapidly risen to a point where most people have a basic knowledge of what they go for and the percentage of premium as compared to basic price of the coin. Some people still are looking for 'moon money' for any Doily out there (there is one on eBay as we speak---but I also notice that it has been relisted several times). I have used Oreville's observations to help in my collecting of them as well. They are out there and eventually, you can run into a few. Paying ridiculous money for them certainly is possible, but maybe not required.
I'm still on the hunt . . . . . .
Drunner
This one is for sale and unaccounted for.
Updated.
<< <i>Here is one I picked up at the last Baltimore show.
Boiler - Nice coin.
Thanks everyone for your submissions.
Updated.
I do admit that I bought the holder instead of the coin - and would do it again for another cheap doily.
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If it weren't for the nasty hit on the cheek, I might have been a bidder. Besides the cheeky hit, it is a BEAUTIFUL COIN!
Greg
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Go Doilies!
Drunner
(edited to eliminate the PM to Simon)
<< <i>1812 50c in AU58 up for Auction...in a Doily!
If it weren't for the nasty hit on the cheek, I might have been a bidder. Besides the cheeky hit, it is a BEAUTIFUL COIN!
Greg >>
I have a harder time with the glaring whiteness of the coin than I do the hit on the cheek. If the coin were not dipped I would imagine the hit wouldn't be so dramatic. I love the date, and it's in a seriously nice state of preservation. I'll bet dollars to dimes that I know a few people that are going to take a serious stab at winning that one! There's only two bust halves that are currently on the Census, this one and a reeded edge sample. Ahhem....Drunner....Ahemm...
I love it when scarce coins come in doily holders, it's just plain cool!
I am still looking for a quarter in a doily holder. I find it mind boggling that the quarter is one of the commonest coins in US commerce, but relative to how common they are, they're downright rare in doily holders. I will trade my doilies two to one for a stinkin' quarter!!! (I collect mainly quarters, therein lies my obsession.)
-UPDATED-
I've never bid on a Heritage coin yet . . . but I have a good contact there. Perhaps I'll have to think on this one and maybe make a call. Or. . . . talk with a dealer who could bid for me live. Don't know . . .I have time and we'll see on this one . .
Enjoy the Hunt! And thanks Simon again, for all your work on this!
Drunner
<< <i>This 1812 in the Dolly holder is mine.... the whiteness doesn't bother me at all ! Bid away... also if it didn't have the hit on the cheek the coin would be in a MS63 holder
That coin is beautiful but just can't get past the cheek issue.
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<< <i>This 1812 in the Dolly holder is mine.... the whiteness doesn't bother me at all ! Bid away... also if it didn't have the hit on the cheek the coin would be in a MS63 holder
I was thinking the same thing. I don't really see any wear on the coin to speak of.
I think it is the latter.
OK, so perhaps I should not make that Heritage call. A Doily premium on a $2k coin . . . hmmmmmm, if it is 2 to 2.5 times the price of the coin . . . (I don't think it is) ???
Drunner
Maybe if I ever transport myself into the 20th (forget the 21st) Century, I'll post some pix!!!!!
Drunner
<< <i>Antietam arrived from NEN. Great people up there. Not too many Doily Commems around so I was happy to secure this one. MS64 but probably NOT an upgrade (yeah, like I'm going to crack it) due to a couple of hits on the cheek of Lee, but solid Doily.
Maybe if I ever transport myself into the 20th (forget the 21st) Century, I'll post some pix!!!!!
Drunner >>
You had at least ONE Doily commem prior to that Antietam!!!
And I will publically commend you for (OK, now I feel guilty) contributing to the Drunner Doily Set . . . and yeah, I have not pushed on the Census to have all the Coomems (or others) I have labeled as "Drunner", but that super Stone Mtn. will be forever known as the "NotSure/Drunner" pedigree!!!!
I hope your second night at the part-time job turned out ok . . .
Drunner
If you have a coin listed on the census and it is missing the ring, please let me know. Obviously it will never be definitive, but it will be a nice help to those considering the purchase of a doily holdered coin.
Thanks Bajjerfan for talking me into doing this!
***Changed from a star to a small "m" for reasons stated by oreville (he makes an excellent point.)
Perhaps a minus (-) might be better?
Also we need to bring doily slabs into the 22nd century!!!! Perhaps we could start grading them with A, B, C, D, F?
A doily without an outer ring should automatically be a M (missing or minus).
Of course, only doily slab experts will understand what M means. Perhaps that will be our secret fraternal password?
<< <i>Billet7: Problem with using the * is that it has been associated with PQ.
Perhaps a minus (-) might be better?
Also we need to bring doily slabs into the 22nd century!!!! Perhaps we could start grading them with A, B, C, D, F?
A doily without an outer ring should automatically be a M (missing or minus).
Of course, only doily slab experts will understand what M means. Perhaps that will be our secret fraternal password? >>
Mano Mano, a 5 star doily would be a real POS!!
Oreville (and Bajjerfan) have posed some good options for the Dedicated Doily Dudes . . . and Oreville he PMd some other wise ideas to me. I think he is distantly related to Jack Bauer.
Drunner
(edited to give Bajjerfan the credit he justly deserves)
I think we have reached an inevitable stage in the doily census. By necessity we are going to have to eliminate the listing of doily slabs without the cert number. Originally one could submit the coin with your user name OR the cert number, but it has gotten to the point we need to have the cert number to list it. Duplicates are becoming a problem. So for the ones I have already listed, they will remain, but we will cease listing any new ones that do not have the cert number. I would let an excessively rare one slide by, but that's about it. There is just too many Morgan duplicates out there, and rather than let it get out of control, I think it's best to head the problem off sooner rather than later.
If you have a coin listed that does not have the cert number, please let me know so that I can add the cert number. Thanks for all who have contributed, this has really turned into a neat project and it really helps illustrate this interesting little bit of PCGS history.
I have also deleted any "pedigree" associated with the coin that doesn't need it. The census has been getting cluttered and this was the only way to clean it up. Eventually I am going to figure out a method of loading the census into a database to make all this much more streamlined and user-friendly, but until then I will continue doing the best I can.
BTW does anyone know if there is software that will act as a spreadsheet (like excel) and update/upload directly to a PCGS forum thread (such as this one?)