bottom line, I have done nothing wrong, and yet my name keeps getting dragged in the mud. I just wanted opinions, and yet this has turned into a "BASH BOBBY" thread. Why don't you just ask Matt???? I have been known to sell cards for nothing just to help people out!! You don't believe I would sell a card for $8 profit, then you don't know me very well!! This board sucks........some of you give the hobby a bad name!
<< <i>At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether you or I or anyone else would put Jessep on the stand. The only thing that matters, is what Bobby does. Perhaps there is no right or wrong answer in this situation, but the OP should decide for himself based on his own feelings, not what others think. >>
Bobby, I did not read this whole thread, but I did read your first post. Seeing that it was purchased on the BST forum...I would refund the money. Personally, I do a majority of my card shopping on the BST forum. I have a good relationship with many members who I tend to buy from repeatedly. I have also sold cards to many members here. It has always been top priority for me to keep a good standing relationship with these guys.
I think some people are missing the point that this transaction was done on the BST forum and not on ebay. There is no negative feedback possible. However, keep in mind that people build a reputation on these boards. Anyone that tries to lie or cheat will get excommunicated--that goes for both buyer and seller.
I doubt the buyer of this Jordan is going to send you an empty slab because if he did, his collecting days are basically over on this board and some of the other boards we are affiliated with. I am not saying it can't happen, but it would be rare. Buyer will pay for return shipping and insurance. Open package at the Post Office so an employee can also see it. I grant you the concern you have, but be pragmatic about it.
So, if the above precautions are taken, why be so hesitant in offering a refund if this is only the second time in your life being asked for one? If you feel the buyer is crazy, buying on approval or for some other sick thing, just give him the refund and NEVER do business with him again. Its only the second time this happened to you according to what you said earlier. Even if it was the 4th in your lifetime, that is simply the cost of doing business. Don't sweat the small stuff, but do use precaution.
A Jordan rookie is easy to sell since it is slabbed, you have little to worry about in terms of damage. Its not like a raw card that the customer might have touched and accidently damaged and is returning it.
Do you want us to say you are right or do you want to live a comfortable life? You are not giving up or conceding anything by offering a refund. It does not make you a pushover to accept this buyer's expense paid refund with your option to never to business with him again if you feel he is simply a disturbed person.
Finish this transaction quickly and move on whatever you decide.
This is only my 2 cents worth.
Happy New Year.
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"So many of our DREAMS at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we SUMMON THE WILL they soon become INEVITABLE "- Christopher Reeve
No returns on PSA or SGC graded however I have only had one incident where a buyer was not happy over the card I sent him that was a PSA 6 so I gladly refunded his money and recieved my card back then quickly sold it again.It was a 1959 Topps Warren Spahn B.1921. I believe in superior customer service and do my best in describing everything I sell both good and bad.I have had 2 returns in all my years on Ebay the 59 Spahn and a Raw 1958 Clemente which the buyer sent to PSA and he recieved EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING.I had bought the card for myself as it was a yellow variation and was hoping to build a 58 topps Master set but gave up on the project and sold all the variations .I got my money back also from the dealer I had bought the Clemente from almost a year later.To this day after measuring the card against other 58s I still believe the PSA grader made a HUGE mistake. I should have resubmitted the card myself however at that time I was not into graded card.
Again, if there is a problem with the back, regardless if you knew about it or not, then a return should be allowed. If you continue to refuse the return request, then you are wrong.
IMO
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
The card in question was sold to me. Sorry for the delay in response, I don't frequent these boards as often as I do the coin side and am just seeing this now. The card, as seen in the scan, has a great front. The reverse however, has what appears to be a portion of the card stock missing. I know an 8 is far from perfect, but I expected it to be all there minus whatever flaws are normally seen on an 8.
It is my own fault for not asking for a scan of the back, but I guess I assumed it would be mentioned if there something notable. I did ask for a refund initially and was pretty much denied. Bobby PM'd me later that day offering one though. I don't know if it was on account of this thread or not, but he did offer to make things right. I finally responded and told him not to worry about it after thinking it over a bit more. If I truly decide I can't live with the card, it is highly liquidable as you all have said.
I culled this from Memory Lane's website....does this mean they won't take the card back?
Graded Cards/All Sales Final
All graded cards are in Grading Company holders. We are not responsible for grades. MLI does not guarantee that card grades and memorabilia authentication will cross between Grading Companies. If the Bidder wishes to have merchandise opinioned by experts other than those stated with the lot in the catalog, it is their responsibility to do so before bidding. We encourage Bidders to view the lots on online and call with questions or concerns. All lots are available for viewing by appointment. All Sales Final. No returns. Winning a bid is incurring a debt to Memory Lane Inc. Please call prior to closing day for descriptions and scans. Grading Company criteria for their grades given is specific to them. MLI does not guarantee lot grades will cross over between companies. Memory Lane Inc (MLI) encourages all consignors to have their material graded and authenticated. MLI does not alter or enhance any material. All material offers in auctions is in “as is” condition.
<< <i>The scan I see shows a huge portion of the card missing.
Can you post a full scan of both the front and back? >>
If I had a gouge like that, I'd be down a pint of blood.
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That card is damaged and should never have been put in an 8 slab.
NM-MT 8: Near Mint-Mint
A PSA NM-MT 8 is a super high-end card that appears Mint 9 at first glance, but upon closer inspection, the card can exhibit the following: a very slight wax stain on reverse, slightest fraying at one or two corners, a minor printing imperfection, and/or slightly off-white borders. Centering must be approximately 65/35 to 70/30 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.
Whether the damage is called "paper loss" or a "scuff," it is a VERY hurt card AND PSA should be asked to take a look at it.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
<< <i>I'm wondering why Santiago wasn't packed. Tell you what, we'll get to that later. >>
Maybe he was an early riser. Or maybe he didn't have any friends.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
Yes..the buyer will get a full refund?? Now, what about me?? Should I be left holding the bag yet again on a bad card??
I can understand your frustration, Bobby, but sticking a guy with a card that you knew was misgraded with a significant flaw is no way to resolve the issue, either.
ML should refund you for the purchase price, or PSA should buy the card back, as Griffin indicated.
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<< <i>Yes..the buyer will get a full refund?? Now, what about me?? Should I be left holding the bag yet again on a bad card?? >>
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Since I KNOW you can handle the truth:
The true answer is you should prolly chat-up PSA and see what they wanna do to solve the problem. JO does NOT get mad at folks when they ask him for help.
IF you had looked carefully at that card b4 selling it, I suspect that you never would have tried to sell it in that condition.
Passing a hot potato - "problem card" - is not OK. Now that you know about it, you should bail out your buyer and call JO.
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Big/Famous auction houses need to start showing the backs of their cards. All sellers should do the same on expensive cards, if they want their "no returns on TPG cards" policy to be credible.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
<< <i>Do you see the irony of you initially not wanting to give a refund, and now you're looking to get a refund from the party you bought it from? >>
Cause I never noticed the back Lee!!! I told the buyer he could have a refund, but now it is fine and dandy if I get stuck with a card?? Sure, just send Bobby all your bad cards.....WinPitcher...send me your $2,000 card.......
I am already stuck with one card that everyone seems to have a field day with......now I am stuck with another....the irony here is that everyone seems to enjoy slamming my name in the mud as a screwball and lowlife, and I AM BUYING THESE CARDS FROM LEGITIMATE PLACES THE SAME AS YOU!!
<< <i>You sound like an educated man, but I'm afraid you can't speak intelligently on the travel habits of William Santiago.
I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to. >>
MY favorite part about that scene was that it was almost as if Jack Nicholson (in real life, not as Jessup) was showing disdain for pretty boy Cruise. Or maybe that's just me projecting.
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<< <i>You sound like an educated man, but I'm afraid you can't speak intelligently on the travel habits of William Santiago.
I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to. >>
MY favorite part about that scene was that it was almost as if Jack Nicholson (in real life, not as Jessup) was showing disdain for pretty boy Cruise. Or maybe that's just me projecting. >>
No doubt about that! The casting was fabulous. Had to be the 10 best minutes in cinematic history, not counting the time Willie Mays Hayes scored from second when Jake Taylor laid down the bunt off "Gossage" in the bottom of the 9th.
Cause I never noticed the back Lee!!! I told the buyer he could have a refund, but now it is fine and dandy if I get stuck with a card?? Sure, just send Bobby all your bad cards.....WinPitcher...send me your $2,000 card.......
I am already stuck with one card that everyone seems to have a field day with......now I am stuck with another....the irony here is that everyone seems to enjoy slamming my name in the mud as a screwball and lowlife, and I AM BUYING THESE CARDS FROM LEGITIMATE PLACES THE SAME AS YOU!!
PSA should offer to buy it off you at the $575 you paid for it if they deem it overgraded (which it obviously is). If they don't you can always throw it up on ebay with a scan of the front and back and it will eventually sell at $575-$625 and take a minimal loss.
Jack and Tom will likely be getting back together, eventually.
They don't "hate" each other.
............................
The story below was a recent FALSE rumor; neither player, I think, is set to do the movie.
But, eventually they will reunite for the money.
By Ethan Atherton
24 Frames / Oct 2010
"El Presidente," follows a dedicated Secret Service agent (Cruise) assigned to protect a bumbling and degenerate ex-president (Nicholson) with apparently hilarious, yet quite dangerous, results.
The unlikely duo would find themselves on the run together when, you guessed it, a threat is made on the life of the ex-president. Warner Bros. has offered the role to Nicholson while Cruise has already attached himself to his respective role.
Cruise's last outing with an action comedy (Knight and Day) didn't fare so well, but a reunion with Nicholson should get audiences paying attention.
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Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
I see Bobby's perspective here. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he really didn't know there was anything wrong with the back of the card when he sent it.
It seems that Bobby is a bit cursed when it comes to being unlucky in cards, and the real problem is that he's smart enough to know it and complains a lot when it happens. So it's only human nature (and I mean that in a very BAD way) for the crowd response to be calling him a whiner and a crybaby and pointing fingers at him as though he's satan, or worse, waverly.
I blame this all on PSA and ML.
A big part of the problem here is that grading, in a certain sense, is stupid, because too many people buy the holder and not the card.
When a card is undergraded, sellers complain because they'll never sell it for as much as they'd get if properly graded unless they first get a bump.
When a card is overgraded, sellers promote the sale on the basis of the holder, even when it's clear that the card is a poor example for the grade.
I was looking at a 1978 Topps Murray rookie card, and there was a big black dot on the top front border. It was in a PSA 8 holder. I e-mailed the seller to ask if it was a piece of dirt on the scanner or on the outside of the holder. I got a response that it was inside the holder, and it was the seller's assumption that it was dirt on the card, and the card was given its grade with this foreign substance (seemingly attached or affixed to or embedded in the card) taken into consideration by the grader. I thanked the seller for his time and deleted the listing from my watch list. FWIW, that particular seller didn't try to talk up the card in the listing, and there was a scan of the back included.
The lesson in all this is to demand a scan of the reverse as well as the front of an expensive card. That won't completely eliminate problems but the obvious ones will show up in the scan. I've seen too many cards in high grade holders that are nearly miscut on the reverse. So even if the card technically meets the grade, when I spend $500 for a card, I want to make sure it isn't a slider.
No one is perfect and PSA obviously misgraded the Jordan. If the Buyer accepted your refund, first take it up with Memory Lane auctions. If they refuse for whatever reason, then call PSA and talk to them about their buy-back policy.
Going forward, I'll offer two suggestions:
1) Buy the card, not the holder 2) When purchasing an expensive card, request a scan of the back. If the seller refuses, examine the card when you receive it.
IMO - If that card was on eBay with pictures of both sides, 99% of the time, it will not sell for more than $500. If that 1% did pay more than $500, I can almost guarantee you they would request a refund after they receive the card.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
There is no way I would pay that kind of money and not inspect the front and back thoroughly when it arrived in hand.
Flipping the card that fast seems like you got it in hand, said "oh snap this is not an 8," and then sold it as an 8 (without disclosing the paper loss) to an honest member of these boards.
RyGuy - Call or email Joe Orlando and see what PSA can do about the situation. The card should be in its proper holder which is not an 8 if that is indeed paper loss. Don't pawn it off to the next buyer as the seller did to you and the auction house did to him.
And to answer the original question: Yes, I always accept refunds (even if state in a listing or auction "no returns").
<< <i>Flipping the card that fast seems like you got it in hand, said "oh snap this is not an 8," and then sold it as an 8 (without disclosing the paper loss) to an honest member of these boards. >>
Noooo...that is not the case at all...VCP average is only $580 and All Star Cards pays $550 without even seeing the card. I paid $560 for the card. I just bought it because it is one of the most liquid and popular cards there is. If I make enough to buy myself lunch with a card, then I will do it! Just ask Matt or anyone else I have sold a card to.....
LOL!!! You just don't know how much I value making ANYTHING!! If I make $10 I am happy! I am used to losing at everything I do....but then again, you don't know me very well, so I don't expect you to understand cuzz buzz.....carry on!
Bobby and I have made arrangements to have the card returned for a refund. He will be contacting both the auction house and Joe Orlando about the card's issues.
<< <i>My head is spinning with that last comment. >>
And Steve....the card was on Ebay before I sold it here for $625. After fees, and comissions, how much do you think I would have made? Anyone...Bueller!!! Hello????? That's right.....around $575 (And remember, I paid $560 for the card).......I don't expect you the understand my reasoning, but I am NOT a con artist like you make me out to be! Jesus H Christ, I get sooo sick of having to defend myself....
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bottom line, I have done nothing wrong, and yet my name keeps getting dragged in the mud. I just wanted opinions, and yet this has turned into a "BASH BOBBY" thread. Why don't you just ask Matt???? I have been known to sell cards for nothing just to help people out!! You don't believe I would sell a card for $8 profit, then you don't know me very well!! This board sucks........some of you give the hobby a bad name!
<< <i>At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether you or I or anyone else would put Jessep on the stand. The only thing that matters, is what Bobby does. Perhaps there is no right or wrong answer in this situation, but the OP should decide for himself based on his own feelings, not what others think. >>
Your absolutely correct.
So to me...its a no-brainer to refund the money.
Denying a refund = SNAD possible + neg fb + waste of time + major headaches
Just give the refund, list it again, and move on
<< <i>You guys are right, the back of the card is meaningless. >>
I wouldn't say it is meaningless, but it is my belief that the graders weigh the front more heavily than the back. Carry on....
I doubt the buyer of this Jordan is going to send you an empty slab because if he did, his collecting days are basically over on this board and some of the other boards we are affiliated with. I am not saying it can't happen, but it would be rare. Buyer will pay for return shipping and insurance. Open package at the Post Office so an employee can also see it. I grant you the concern you have, but be pragmatic about it.
So, if the above precautions are taken, why be so hesitant in offering a refund if this is only the second time in your life being asked for one? If you feel the buyer is crazy, buying on approval or for some other sick thing, just give him the refund and NEVER do business with him again. Its only the second time this happened to you according to what you said earlier. Even if it was the 4th in your lifetime, that is simply the cost of doing business. Don't sweat the small stuff, but do use precaution.
A Jordan rookie is easy to sell since it is slabbed, you have little to worry about in terms of damage. Its not like a raw card that the customer might have touched and accidently damaged and is returning it.
Do you want us to say you are right or do you want to live a comfortable life? You are not giving up or conceding anything by offering a refund. It does not make you a pushover to accept this buyer's expense paid refund with your option to never to business with him again if you feel he is simply a disturbed person.
Finish this transaction quickly and move on whatever you decide.
This is only my 2 cents worth.
Happy New Year.
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<< <i>A Jordan rookie is easy to sell and since it is slabbed, >>
We've heard some talk of it's liquidity, but Bobby's the only one with any skin in this game.
I believe in superior customer service and do my best in describing everything I sell both good and bad.I have had 2 returns in all my years on Ebay the 59 Spahn and a Raw 1958 Clemente which the buyer sent to PSA and he recieved EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING.I had bought the card for myself as it was a yellow variation and was hoping to build a 58 topps Master set but gave up on the project and sold all the variations .I got my money back also from the dealer I had bought the Clemente from almost a year later.To this day after measuring the card against other 58s I still believe the PSA grader made a HUGE mistake.
I should have resubmitted the card myself however at that time I was not into graded card.
<< <i>bottom line, I have done nothing wrong, >>
Again, if there is a problem with the back, regardless if you knew about it or not, then a return should be allowed. If you continue to refuse the return request, then you are wrong.
IMO
What do you what to discuss now, my favorite color?
<< <i>At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether you or I or anyone else would put Jessep on the stand.
What do you what to discuss now, my favorite color? >>
Actually, I was wondering if you brought along a change of underwear?
It is my own fault for not asking for a scan of the back, but I guess I assumed it would be mentioned if there something notable. I did ask for a refund initially and was pretty much denied. Bobby PM'd me later that day offering one though. I don't know if it was on account of this thread or not, but he did offer to make things right. I finally responded and told him not to worry about it after thinking it over a bit more. If I truly decide I can't live with the card, it is highly liquidable as you all have said.
Edited to add -
Has an indentation also on the left side.
I'd have taken the refund, now you have to put up with a problem card.
I know the feeling. I have a 2k problem card.
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Can you post a full scan of both the front and back?
<< <i>The scan I see shows a huge portion of the card missing.
Can you post a full scan of both the front and back? >>
If I had a gouge like that, I'd be down a pint of blood.
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<< <i>Props to the buyer for being about as reasonable a person as you will find on these boards. Refund should've been offered no questions asked. >>
I'm wondering why Santiago wasn't packed. Tell you what, we'll get to that later.
That card is damaged and should never have been put in an 8 slab.
NM-MT 8: Near Mint-Mint
A PSA NM-MT 8 is a super high-end card that appears Mint 9 at first glance, but upon closer inspection, the card can exhibit the following: a very slight wax stain on reverse, slightest fraying at one or two corners, a minor printing imperfection, and/or slightly off-white borders. Centering must be approximately 65/35 to 70/30 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.
Whether the damage is called "paper loss" or a "scuff," it is a VERY
hurt card AND PSA should be asked to take a look at it.
<< <i>I'm wondering why Santiago wasn't packed. Tell you what, we'll get to that later. >>
Maybe he was an early riser. Or maybe he didn't have any friends.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
I can understand your frustration, Bobby, but sticking a guy with a card that you knew was misgraded with a significant flaw is no way to resolve the issue, either.
ML should refund you for the purchase price, or PSA should buy the card back, as Griffin indicated.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Do you see the irony of you initially not wanting to give a refund, and now you're looking to get a refund from the party you bought it from?
<< <i>
<< <i>I'm wondering why Santiago wasn't packed. Tell you what, we'll get to that later. >>
Maybe he was an early riser. Or maybe he didn't have any friends. >>
You sound like an educated man, but I'm afraid you can't speak intelligently on the travel habits of William Santiago.
I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to.
<< <i>Yes..the buyer will get a full refund?? Now, what about me?? Should I be left holding the bag yet again on a bad card?? >>
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Since I KNOW you can handle the truth:
The true answer is you should prolly chat-up PSA and
see what they wanna do to solve the problem. JO does
NOT get mad at folks when they ask him for help.
IF you had looked carefully at that card b4 selling it, I
suspect that you never would have tried to sell it in
that condition.
Passing a hot potato - "problem card" - is not OK. Now
that you know about it, you should bail out your buyer
and call JO.
.................
Big/Famous auction houses need to start showing the backs
of their cards. All sellers should do the same on expensive cards,
if they want their "no returns on TPG cards" policy to be credible.
<< <i>Do you see the irony of you initially not wanting to give a refund, and now you're looking to get a refund from the party you bought it from? >>
Cause I never noticed the back Lee!!! I told the buyer he could have a refund, but now it is fine and dandy if I get stuck with a card?? Sure, just send Bobby all your bad cards.....WinPitcher...send me your $2,000 card.......
I am already stuck with one card that everyone seems to have a field day with......now I am stuck with another....the irony here is that everyone seems to enjoy slamming my name in the mud as a screwball and lowlife, and I AM BUYING THESE CARDS FROM LEGITIMATE PLACES THE SAME AS YOU!!
<< <i>You sound like an educated man, but I'm afraid you can't speak intelligently on the travel habits of William Santiago.
I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to. >>
MY favorite part about that scene was that it was almost as if Jack Nicholson (in real life, not as Jessup) was showing disdain for pretty boy Cruise. Or maybe that's just me projecting.
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<< <i>You sound like an educated man, but I'm afraid you can't speak intelligently on the travel habits of William Santiago.
I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to. >>
I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way.
<< <i>
<< <i>You sound like an educated man, but I'm afraid you can't speak intelligently on the travel habits of William Santiago.
I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to. >>
MY favorite part about that scene was that it was almost as if Jack Nicholson (in real life, not as Jessup) was showing disdain for pretty boy Cruise. Or maybe that's just me projecting. >>
No doubt about that! The casting was fabulous. Had to be the 10 best minutes in cinematic history, not counting the time Willie Mays Hayes scored from second when Jake Taylor laid down the bunt off "Gossage" in the bottom of the 9th.
I am already stuck with one card that everyone seems to have a field day with......now I am stuck with another....the irony here is that everyone seems to enjoy slamming my name in the mud as a screwball and lowlife, and I AM BUYING THESE CARDS FROM LEGITIMATE PLACES THE SAME AS YOU!!
PSA should offer to buy it off you at the $575 you paid for it if they deem it overgraded (which it obviously is). If they don't you can always throw it up on ebay with a scan of the front and back and it will eventually sell at $575-$625 and take a minimal loss.
Jack and Tom will likely be getting back together, eventually.
They don't "hate" each other.
............................
The story below was a recent FALSE rumor; neither player, I think, is set to do the movie.
But, eventually they will reunite for the money.
By Ethan Atherton
24 Frames / Oct 2010
"El Presidente," follows a dedicated Secret Service agent (Cruise) assigned to protect a bumbling and degenerate ex-president (Nicholson) with apparently hilarious, yet quite dangerous, results.
The unlikely duo would find themselves on the run together when, you guessed it, a threat is made on the life of the ex-president. Warner Bros. has offered the role to Nicholson while Cruise has already attached himself to his respective role.
Cruise's last outing with an action comedy (Knight and Day) didn't fare so well, but a reunion with Nicholson should get audiences paying attention.
......
It seems that Bobby is a bit cursed when it comes to being unlucky in cards, and the real problem is that he's smart enough to know it and complains a lot when it happens. So it's only human nature (and I mean that in a very BAD way) for the crowd response to be calling him a whiner and a crybaby and pointing fingers at him as though he's satan, or worse, waverly.
I blame this all on PSA and ML.
A big part of the problem here is that grading, in a certain sense, is stupid, because too many people buy the holder and not the card.
When a card is undergraded, sellers complain because they'll never sell it for as much as they'd get if properly graded unless they first get a bump.
When a card is overgraded, sellers promote the sale on the basis of the holder, even when it's clear that the card is a poor example for the grade.
I was looking at a 1978 Topps Murray rookie card, and there was a big black dot on the top front border. It was in a PSA 8 holder. I e-mailed the seller to ask if it was a piece of dirt on the scanner or on the outside of the holder. I got a response that it was inside the holder, and it was the seller's assumption that it was dirt on the card, and the card was given its grade with this foreign substance (seemingly attached or affixed to or embedded in the card) taken into consideration by the grader. I thanked the seller for his time and deleted the listing from my watch list. FWIW, that particular seller didn't try to talk up the card in the listing, and there was a scan of the back included.
No one is perfect and PSA obviously misgraded the Jordan. If the Buyer accepted your refund, first take it up with Memory Lane auctions. If they refuse for whatever reason, then call PSA and talk to them about their buy-back policy.
Going forward, I'll offer two suggestions:
1) Buy the card, not the holder
2) When purchasing an expensive card, request a scan of the back. If the seller refuses, examine the card when you receive it.
IMO - If that card was on eBay with pictures of both sides, 99% of the time, it will not sell for more than $500. If that 1% did pay more than $500, I can almost guarantee you they would request a refund after they receive the card.
Flipping the card that fast seems like you got it in hand, said "oh snap this is not an 8," and then sold it as an 8 (without disclosing the paper loss) to an honest member of these boards.
RyGuy - Call or email Joe Orlando and see what PSA can do about the situation. The card should be in its proper holder which is not an 8 if that is indeed paper loss. Don't pawn it off to the next buyer as the seller did to you and the auction house did to him.
And to answer the original question: Yes, I always accept refunds (even if state in a listing or auction "no returns").
<< <i>Flipping the card that fast seems like you got it in hand, said "oh snap this is not an 8," and then sold it as an 8 (without disclosing the paper loss) to an honest member of these boards. >>
Noooo...that is not the case at all...VCP average is only $580 and All Star Cards pays $550 without even seeing the card. I paid $560 for the card. I just bought it because it is one of the most liquid and popular cards there is. If I make enough to buy myself lunch with a card, then I will do it! Just ask Matt or anyone else I have sold a card to.....
<< <i>My head is spinning with that last comment. >>
And Steve....the card was on Ebay before I sold it here for $625. After fees, and comissions, how much do you think I would have made? Anyone...Bueller!!! Hello????? That's right.....around $575 (And remember, I paid $560 for the card).......I don't expect you the understand my reasoning, but I am NOT a con artist like you make me out to be! Jesus H Christ, I get sooo sick of having to defend myself....
It does not matter what you made on the card.
Why you fail to see that is beyond me. You keep harping that you made only 10.00
on the deal and that is supposed to make you clean. The buyer of this card is OUT
over 500.00. You got your 500.00+ back. That is the crux of this matter.
Steve