CONCLUSION VIDEO JUST POSTED 1.16.11** RARE VINTAGE BASEBALL COLLECTiON FIND! Shoeboxes of 48-53 Bo
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A vintage 50 year old Baseball Card Collection find, trading cards beginning from 1948 Bowman – 1971 Topps!
Today, I went to my lifelong family friend’s (dad's fraternity brother) office to help him sell his baseball card collection.
He is 70+ years old and has not bought a card in 20 years. He is as an "old school" collector as there can possibly be, he does not own one single graded card. I remember going to a show with him and my dad 25 years ago when my dad bought me a Pete Rose RC for $150. I will never forget getting that card.
About 5 years back, I also went to his office and listed 10-12 items on ebay, he wanted to sell the newer stuff first. These were a box full of 1972-1975 commons and some complete sets (1980+) he has accumulated over the years. He still has a lot of "junk" that I insisted he cannot giveaway (1989 Bowman, 80’s Fleer sets, basketball post 1988, sets from the 80's he used to receive automatically), I tell him what he needs to hear, not wants to hear. He has contemplated selling his collection for many years and now is just the right time. He is not passing it down to his kids or grandkids, they don't have any interest. His business is slowing and let him be honest with himself, it is time to cash in his collection instead of having the cards sit in shoe boxes, as you will see. I was blown away with the contents.
I have one member from these boards first in line to have a look, but we are still unsure on how to sell it.
Do we send 100 of the best cards into PSA? Do we offer them HERE FIRST? List on Ebay and sell 1,000+ cards individually? Do we let this first perspective buyer spend $20,000 and take his pick?
Although, I am well versed in all of the baseball card collecting industry, I have been mostly following unopened packs for the last 10 years.
This is an 11 minute video of my 2 hour trip to his office today. I know the old school collectors will love this, I am very anxious to see the feedback/advice/interest that I get from this thread and beyond..
11 minutes of a Vintage Baseball Card Collection soon to be for sale...
A vintage 50 year old Baseball Card Collection find, trading cards beginning from 1948 Bowman – 1971 Topps!
Today, I went to my lifelong family friend’s (dad's fraternity brother) office to help him sell his baseball card collection.
He is 70+ years old and has not bought a card in 20 years. He is as an "old school" collector as there can possibly be, he does not own one single graded card. I remember going to a show with him and my dad 25 years ago when my dad bought me a Pete Rose RC for $150. I will never forget getting that card.
About 5 years back, I also went to his office and listed 10-12 items on ebay, he wanted to sell the newer stuff first. These were a box full of 1972-1975 commons and some complete sets (1980+) he has accumulated over the years. He still has a lot of "junk" that I insisted he cannot giveaway (1989 Bowman, 80’s Fleer sets, basketball post 1988, sets from the 80's he used to receive automatically), I tell him what he needs to hear, not wants to hear. He has contemplated selling his collection for many years and now is just the right time. He is not passing it down to his kids or grandkids, they don't have any interest. His business is slowing and let him be honest with himself, it is time to cash in his collection instead of having the cards sit in shoe boxes, as you will see. I was blown away with the contents.
I have one member from these boards first in line to have a look, but we are still unsure on how to sell it.
Do we send 100 of the best cards into PSA? Do we offer them HERE FIRST? List on Ebay and sell 1,000+ cards individually? Do we let this first perspective buyer spend $20,000 and take his pick?
Although, I am well versed in all of the baseball card collecting industry, I have been mostly following unopened packs for the last 10 years.
This is an 11 minute video of my 2 hour trip to his office today. I know the old school collectors will love this, I am very anxious to see the feedback/advice/interest that I get from this thread and beyond..
11 minutes of a Vintage Baseball Card Collection soon to be for sale...
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Only an idiot would have a message board signature.
then offer it here at fair prices
then ebay
There are many cards in there I would be interested in.
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Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
<< <i>I'll buy it all, just contact me. I'll even buy the junk. >>
me too. Please pm me. Where is it located? I would be glad to fly out and make an offer. I'll pay in cash too.
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
I will answer/address comments and some of you from pm's in the coming days, I very much appreciate all this feedback. First step, he will be listing all the card numbers from some of the individual boxes for me.
I will address ThoseBackPages' comment now... >>"show us more topps, less bowman! lol ">>
You are absolutely right! The reason for showing mostly the Bowman was because the person who wants to see this collection first and have a chance to buy is really into Bowman. In hindsight, I can't believe we never even got to look or open at the Topps '57, '59, '61', etc. today...
I have a lot of work to do to even begin and sort through this all...
"BAU" MAN / "BOW" MAN, what's the difference?
it was fun to watch for sure. ive always called them BOWman.
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
I have a lot of work to do to even begin and sort through this all...
"BAU" MAN / "BOW" MAN, what's the difference?
With cards like that you can call them anything you want and you're right, lots of work ahead.
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
<< <i>You'll do far better selling each card individually to end users then you will selling it as a lot to a collector-dealer who will in turn flip it, for reasons that are probably fairly self-evident. >>
Boo nailed it. Just a matter of how much time someone has, and how quickly you want some cash.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Tommy and I can team up for a joint deal. Bring it. >>
sounds good, you got the plane tickets?
And, in 2 weeks Muggyman will be make an appearance at The White Plains Baseball Card Show, 'wanna meet?
Jan 14 - Jan 17 Baseball Card Show in Westchester, NY
Thank you again for all comments and private messages, I wish I was still at his office looking at his collection.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
<< <i>Whatever you do don't sell in bulk. >>
why would you not sell in bulk if it's fair for both parties and your time was worth more than the hassle of listing, separating, etc...., or if you needed a lot of cash really quick? A lot of people don't like to do all of that work especially if they are old or don't understand all of it.
<< <i>This is an 11 minute video of my 2 hour trip to his office today. I know the old school collectors will love this, I am very anxious to see the feedback/advice/interest that I get from this thread and beyond..
11 minutes of a Vintage Baseball Card Collection soon to be for sale... >>
Video is a little too shaky, but cool collection!
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<< <i>Whatever you do don't sell in bulk. >>
why would you not sell in bulk if it's fair for both parties and your time was worth more than the hassle of listing, separating, etc...., or if you needed a lot of cash really quick? A lot of people don't like to do all of that work especially if they are old or don't understand all of it. >>
This is a hobby plagued by greedy men who are out to turn a profit off of the less knowledgeable. They thrive off of people who "don't need the hassle" or "need cash quickly" or "are old and don't understand it all." You can make a lot of money knowing a thing or two about cards and if you have a collection like this then it would be worth the time and effort to educate yourself fully before attempting to sell anything.
This is just my humble opinion... but it is also fact.
Jason
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
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<< <i>This is an 11 minute video of my 2 hour trip to his office today. I know the old school collectors will love this, I am very anxious to see the feedback/advice/interest that I get from this thread and beyond..
11 minutes of a Vintage Baseball Card Collection soon to be for sale... >>
Video is a little too shaky, but cool collection! >>
Not sure any of us could've held our hands very steady walking into that closet.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
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<< <i>Whatever you do don't sell in bulk. >>
why would you not sell in bulk if it's fair for both parties and your time was worth more than the hassle of listing, separating, etc...., or if you needed a lot of cash really quick? A lot of people don't like to do all of that work especially if they are old or don't understand all of it. >>
This is a hobby plagued by greedy men who are out to turn a profit off of the less knowledgeable. They thrive off of people who "don't need the hassle" or "need cash quickly" or "are old and don't understand it all." You can make a lot of money knowing a thing or two about cards and if you have a collection like this then it would be worth the time and effort to educate yourself fully before attempting to sell anything.
This is just my humble opinion... but it is also fact.
Jason >>
True Dat
just letting it be known that they're interested. Like Muggyman said he probably isn't going to get any sleep tonight and has a lot of work ahead of him to help his friend. It just depends on how much
time he wants to put into it that I think is the big factor. MM and his friend I'm sure will make a good decision. Doug
<< <i>lol, I suppose you don't like pawn shops, credit card companies, loan companies, banks, or any other financial outlet that allows people to get money BUT charges them a fee of some sort. If someone has the time and doesn't need a lot of money immediately than by all means take the time to piece it out if they think that is the way to go, but sometimes people don't have that luxury and that is where people that DO have the money to give for their stuff right then are of great use and need. >>
It's hardly such a black-and-white issue, now is it?
Yes, by all means, having someone to facilitate people getting access to money is an invaluable service. But surely you'd agree that a credit card company offering even 20% rates isn't the same thing as a payday loan place offering money at 40% rates. Same thing here, IMO. If the collection amounted to $100K, for example, then someone offering $50K to "save them the hassle", might get looked down on just a wee bit while someone offering $75K for the same peace of mind might not. Like any business, there are good and bad players, but the mind reels when you think of all the people who have swooped in at estate sales and helped those poor widows tidy things up by taking those old junky cards off their hands. (before I could get there of course
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
<< <i>lol, I suppose you don't like pawn shops, credit card companies, loan companies, banks, or any other financial outlet that allows people to get money BUT charges them a fee of some sort. If someone has the time and doesn't need a lot of money immediately than by all means take the time to piece it out if they think that is the way to go, but sometimes people don't have that luxury and that is where people that DO have the money to give for their stuff right then are of great use and need. >>
lol I don't think anyone is a fan of "pawn shops, credit card companies, loan companies or banks."
You are absolutely right, if someone is in the hole and doesn't mind receiving 40 cents on the dollar for his assets then go right ahead and sell the collection as one lump group.
It's your money, use it when you need it.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
I have to admit....I would love to go through all those boxes. It would be fun.
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<< <i>Whatever you do don't sell in bulk. >>
why would you not sell in bulk if it's fair for both parties and your time was worth more than the hassle of listing, separating, etc...., or if you needed a lot of cash really quick? A lot of people don't like to do all of that work especially if they are old or don't understand all of it. >>
Well, from my experience, old people are all about the quick buck.
Because they have very little free time.
I mean, they've got board games, gardening and bingo. When you gonna fit in anything like this?
And since they are all independently wealthy, they don't usually need the few extra thousand dollars that piecing out a large collection might bring over selling it bulk.
This old guy needs a young guy to come in and explain the complicated business of baseball cards, and then do him a favor by taking the whole collection off his hands.
Check out who posted the first (and so far only) comment on the YouTube page.
for those who have so graciously dropped by to hoist their opinions about how to piece out and maximize collections, this is the second time in recent memory that a member has posted a thread to crow about an incredible find, and it seems to me nothing more than a carrot being dangled in front of a hungry horse.
"Hey guys, look what I just found!"
"OOOO, ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!"
what does one expect? some of us are trained to respond exactly as certain folks here have done, as in, this is my business, it's how i make money and OF COURSE i will pursue a collection with the intention of acquiring it for the 40 cents on the dollar or whatever, it's what i do!
Muggyman, i just threw my hat in the ring BTW, i'm swimming in cash right now.
if you don't want to make a deal here, then DON'T tell everyone about it, otherwise expect the type of response this and any thread will get when someone unearths a good find.
the video was tough to watch.....honestly, it would take several hours, probably days just to properly analyze such a collection before deciding how to sell, but no matter what happens, somebody will piece it out because that's how the job gets done....it would make a lot of sense to slow things down a little and actually show off some of the key pieces to the collection, maybe next video eh? handle them with love and affection.......
<< <i>No heavy hitters I viewed. No Mantle's, Mays' or Williams or Dimaggio yet. I'm a little skeptical as to the quality. It's alot of stuff.
I have to admit....I would love to go through all those boxes. It would be fun. >>
I think I saw a 50 Bowman Williams when they were flipping though. It didnt seem that Muggy caught it and I just saw like the bottom 1/3 of the card.
Of course I could be totally wrong too
For someone like me, I would sell them individually because I love doing it as a hobby and it happens to make me money. Most other people are in it for the quick cash. To each their own.
A seller who doesn't at least put some significant effort into getting his hands around what is in the lot is prime fodder for a Mr Mint-type buyer.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
My Registry Sets
To be clear, he is indeed a lifelong family friend who remembers when I was born and was just at my wedding. He is totally leaving it in my hands and I will be receiving a referral/finders fee which I will probably inturn spend on some of the goods, of course.
I think he/we are leaning towards a bulk sale (to 1, 2, or 3 local people) and do it over weeks and not months in order not to have him spend $1,000 for grading etc., he is well aware that the sum of the parts is worth more than the whole. He is not desperate for the cash or in a rush, but it is just that time and he would rather do it that way as opposed to me driving an hour each way to get to him 10+ times over 6 months.
I am unsure right now if it is worth $30,000 or $50,000, he will be going through boxes and writing down all card numbers for me, not condition. Today, he is expecting to get me the list of '52 Topps, '51 Bowman, and that '57-'59 Topps box I did not even look at.
Wow o freakin wow, he has a lot of great stuff! I can't really describe it properly yet because I did not sift through enough of it. He has a lot of stars and rookies for sure and although i did not see early Mantles or Mays, etc, I did see many, many HOF's - 'really just a huge assortment.
I am going there next Sunday, I will video more and post. I don't do this to "dangle a carrot" or tease, rather to hear your comments and suggestions which has already proven to be invaluable, so thank you!
As has these message boards have been for me since joining a year ago.
I'll end up doing something very cool on this thread and offer some cards here and/or giving away some stuff to keep everyones interest and momentum powering forward.
And yes, I was up 20 times during the night with excitement and had crazy (crazy good) dreams.
Thank you sincerely,
- Mug Master Man
<< <i>I'll end up doing something very cool on this thread ....
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Of that there can be no doubt.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
Jason
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss