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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>lol @ Pandora's box.

    for those who have so graciously dropped by to hoist their opinions about how to piece out and maximize collections, this is the second time in recent memory that a member has posted a thread to crow about an incredible find, and it seems to me nothing more than a carrot being dangled in front of a hungry horse.

    "Hey guys, look what I just found!"

    "OOOO, ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!"

    what does one expect? some of us are trained to respond exactly as certain folks here have done, as in, this is my business, it's how i make money and OF COURSE i will pursue a collection with the intention of acquiring it for the 40 cents on the dollar or whatever, it's what i do!

    Muggyman, i just threw my hat in the ring BTW, i'm swimming in cash right now. image

    if you don't want to make a deal here, then DON'T tell everyone about it, otherwise expect the type of response this and any thread will get when someone unearths a good find.

    the video was tough to watch.....honestly, it would take several hours, probably days just to properly analyze such a collection before deciding how to sell, but no matter what happens, somebody will piece it out because that's how the job gets done....it would make a lot of sense to slow things down a little and actually show off some of the key pieces to the collection, maybe next video eh? handle them with love and affection....... >>



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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Corvette, I got the plane tix covered, if we get there in time there might be some 87 Topps left. image
    Ron Burgundy

    Buying Vintage, all sports.
    Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Corvette, I got the plane tix covered, if we get there in time there might be some 87 Topps left. image >>



    yeah, I'm sure those "local" guys will make offers that would beat ours by far.

    How many '87 Topps cards would we need to sell to make up for 2 plane tickets? Were there even that many made?
  • cubfan89cubfan89 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭
    I just love that 'dangling a carrot' line and it cracks me up. Keep dangling to me, I love watching this stuff! It's like going To a strip club, you can look all you want for free...but to touch them it's a lot of $$$.
  • Hey cubfan89,
    >>"It's like going To a strip club...,">>

    Yup, and when they are on my lap, I usually say... "I know everbody tells you this, BUT I REALLY LOVE YOU!"

  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I just love that 'dangling a carrot' line and it cracks me up. Keep dangling to me, I love watching this stuff! It's like going To a strip club, you can look all you want for free...but to touch them it's a lot of $$$. >>



    some of them come for 40 cents on the dollar as well. image
  • cubfan89cubfan89 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭
    Lol, this thread is hilarious.

    Does that ever get you any special attention Muggy when you lie to them & tell them how much you really love them?
  • FrozencaribouFrozencaribou Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey Muggyman,

    Great video and its fun to see the reaction to the grainy but fun shoebox video. My two cents:

    1st cent: You should be handling this collection yourself. The cards need to be handled very carefully, and there may be condition issues that stem from how the owner stored the cards that you will have to fix right away. Or, if this person is handling the cards and doesn't understand the importance of not creating even the slightest damage in handling his cards, then he could unintentionally lose thousands just cataloging the cards for you. Imagine if he has 500 nm-mt to mint 1971 topps cards and rifles through them as if the value is in just having them. Also, you seem to be willing to put a lot of time in this to get it right, so he should give you free access to ascertain what is in the collection. I know I would want to inspect every last card, and use a loupe to inspect all potential $$ cards.

    2nd cent: Don't get ahead of yourselves regarding value. The worst thing that could happen here is that his cards aren't in great shape throughout, and his collection isn't worth as much as he thought. Don't get his hopes up just because he has old cards. I know it is tough not to talk up this collection, but from what I saw I didn't see any mint cards. Don't get into a situation where he thinks you haven't helped him realize the true potential of the collection. Case in point, some of the cards you handled had prices on them, which I assume were the purchase prices. Just because he bought a Monte Irvin back in 1988 for $125 doesn't mean it is worth as much or more today.

    Sounds like fun if you do it right.

    -Nathanael
  • jradke4jradke4 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭
    great video...its gold...unbelivable..seems like i was watching a pack bust....love the east coast lingo

    covering the price sticker on the spahn was pricelesss. also love how everyone flips through the cards nice and hard so we can hear the plastic slapping back and forth.

    is that gum chewing the background?? if so i hope its some vintage topps gum!!!

    Packers Fan for Life
    Collecting:
    Brett Favre Master Set
    Favre Ticket Stubs
    Favre TD Reciever Autos
    Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
    Football HOF Rc's
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>great video....seems like i was watching a pack bust....love the east coast lingo

    covering the price sticker on the spahn was pricelesss. also love how everyone flips through the cards nice and hard so we can hear the plastic slapping back and forth. >>



    Yeah, I was flinching a bit at some of that hard flipping.
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    Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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    Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
  • jradke4,

    Yes, he did want to cover the prices, it actually had the date and price he paid for it - mostly between 1983 - 1989.

    As far as the plastic slapping back and forth, no special effects intended. But, I'm glad you liked - thanks!

    Just wait for part 2...
  • Nice find.

    When people collect things for a long time, they have an emotional attachment to it. Most "collectors" have a degree of OCD, and you could hear tiny bits of it in his voice, especially when talking about the Gil Hodges card. He's going through his collection (aka life pursuit, in terms of money and time) and is probably thinking of all of the memories and money spent. He's also probably thinking about the investment he had when the card business was really booming. At least he has desirable cards and not all 1987 Topps.

    Selling off someone's collection is a big emotional process. He might be better off piecing out some of the higher prices items and then selling the lesser cards in bulk. Do you really want to deal with 50-100 different buyers via the mail, especially with all the paypal horror stories we hear here?

    Good luck with it. It will be a journey to say the least.
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭
    I'm really hoping the decision is to sell off the major items, sell the mid-60's to late 70's sets individually, and then bundle the later stuff. If I was doing this, I'd have a working plan similar to that until the specifics of the cards pushed me off that.

    NOTE: I've never done it, so it's pure theory on my part.
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    Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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    Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Hank Thompson 1952 Bowman is a high number.

    Nice find.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,487 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looked at the video - really good stuff!

    Entertaining.

    Good luck Dave!
    Mike
  • fur72fur72 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭
    Very nice muggyman! If you do anything with the 1966 set let me know.
  • 19541954 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭
    Muggyman-

    PM sent

    Shane
    Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
  • jersterjerster Posts: 828 ✭✭✭


    << <i>image >>



    Is he even still alive?
  • PiggsPiggs Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>image >>



    Is he even still alive? >>



    PM sent, Alan "Mr. Mint" Rosen. image
  • benderbroethbenderbroeth Posts: 1,699 ✭✭
    awesome
    my t-205's


    looking for low grade t205's psa 1-2
  • One YouTube post offered good advice - consign to a major auction house. They sort, catalog and sell to the major buyers year in and year out. Take the time to grade the "good" stuff - stars and low pop cards.

    Cards are now commodities based on grade. This gives the buyers a point of reference and secures the condition of the card.

    Amazing...

    1964 stand ups
    1975 mini's
    1954 Wilson Franks
  • cubfan89cubfan89 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭
    There's an interesting series of videos of that guy Mr. Mint on YouTube. It shows how he goes to a guys house who has tons of cards like your friends. It documents how he sorts them out and buys the guys entire collection.

    Can somebody that knows how post links to those videos so Muggy can see them cause I didn't know how.

    Muggy, you might want to call in that Mint guy. He does pull out cash with him at the very end. He even took time to pose for a picture with the buyer!
  • Great info cubfan89, thank you, I will go look at some of Mr. Mint / Alan Rosen's videos now...
    Mr. Mint video

    I have been doing a lot of work on this, I will probably not update people here until Sunday.

    There just might be a new guy in town...

    and his name, is Mr. Mug!!!!!!!
  • AricAric Posts: 757 ✭✭


    << <i>There's an interesting series of videos of that guy Mr. Mint on YouTube. It shows how he goes to a guys house who has tons of cards like your friends. It documents how he sorts them out and buys the guys entire collection.

    Can somebody that knows how post links to those videos so Muggy can see them cause I didn't know how.

    Muggy, you might want to call in that Mint guy. He does pull out cash with him at the very end. He even took time to pose for a picture with the buyer! >>




    I hope you are kidding and my sarcasm meter is broken. Mr. Mint is well know as a total jerk in this hobby. He will cherry pick the collection and try and convince you that the cards are not that great. Then he will offer you a lowball price. I wouldn't waste my time.
  • Hi Aric (Rerun), yes thanks.

    I got it all well under control, but I still love to see all the comments and suggestions and I've been bombarded (in a good way) with requests to get a shot at this collection. However, I did like watching Mr. Mint's videos though and inturn gave myself another nickname, Mr. Mug! Ok, let me divulge the meaning of my nickame Muggyman while I'm at it. My pledge name at college (when I had an awesome mullet) was................MUGSY! Since then, a lot of affectionate variations have come about and Muggyman (or Muglova, Muggylicious, Muggy, Mugs) has taken over - most people in NYC think Mugsy, Muggy, or Muggyman is my real name.

    Anyway, this will all have a very happy ending for me and for everyone on this forum - take that for what it is worth, but get excited!

    In summary, stay tuned Sunday - everyone will be filled in and another video will be shown of THE CLOSET!!!!!!!

  • Thanks for the insight behind your (now CU famous) username!
    Big Fan of: HOF Post War RC, Graded RCs
    WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    Looking forward to it El Muggerino! One thing is for certain, you have the heaviest hands in the hobby when it comes to handling your cards and packs! Those thick plastic cases are going to get their money's worth on Sunday! image


  • << <i>Hi Aric (Rerun), yes thanks.

    I got it all well under control, but I still love to see all the comments and suggestions and I've been bombarded (in a good way) with requests to get a shot at this collection. However, I did like watching Mr. Mint's videos though and inturn gave myself another nickname, Mr. Mug! Ok, let me divulge the meaning of my nickame Muggyman while I'm at it. My pledge name at college (when I had an awesome mullet) was................MUGSY! Since then, a lot of affectionate variations have come about and Muggyman (or Muglova, Muggylicious, Muggy, Mugs) has taken over - most people in NYC think Mugsy, Muggy, or Muggyman is my real name.

    Anyway, this will all have a very happy ending for me and for everyone on this forum - take that for what it is worth, but get excited!

    In summary, stay tuned Sunday - everyone will be filled in and another video will be shown of THE CLOSET!!!!!!! >>



    Mr. Mug. I like that name.

    I agree with Aric. I would sell all the cards on ebay and Avoid ALL dealers, for they will only lowball.
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    Who says BOW man? Really




    Nice cards image
  • <<"Who says BOW man?">>

    Hey RipublicaninMass...

    Is that a rhetorical question? Muggyman says "BAUman!"

    Although, next video I bet I'll get it right.....
  • cubfan89cubfan89 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭
    I think Muggy is saying the correct way....bau-man.
    Even though many people like to say Bo-man.
  • BigDaddyBowmanBigDaddyBowman Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭


    << <i>show us more topps, less bowman! lol >>



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  • cubfan89cubfan89 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭
    I just re-watched all six parts of Mr. Mints buying trip in Wisconson, at it looks like Alan Rosen got quite the deal. That's what I gathered after reading some of the comments below the videos.
  • mr mint was a pretty good shyster
  • >>mr mint was a pretty good shyster>>

    Mr. Mug is not!

    'just trying to be fair all around...
  • WOW!!!!!

    All week I have been receiving a list from "Norman" and I have been (and currently) spending hours upon hours entering every single card via Beckett.com.

    He has EVERY year from 1948 - '55 Bowman. EVERY year Topps from 1952 (125 cards, 5 or 6 high #'s) to 1975+, I have not seen a '71 list yet. EVERYDAY, a 5 or 7 page fax has come through to me with just card numbers, ALL broken down by year. Beckett.com is amazing for entering this.

    Did I mention he has a shoe box from EVERY year?

    Unbelievable, this has been unbelievable. I really do feel like Mr. Mint on this one. Impatiently waiting for him to report the next year, the next fax to see the assortment and match up the numbers to a player's name. The Mantles only start from 63, I am still waiting to enter '65, '68, and '69. I am doing 1960 as we speak....amazing. The star power is highly evident, but no Ryan RC, no Reggie RC, no Seaver RC, minimal Clemente, no real heavy hitters like Aaron RC, etc..yes a nice Rose RC, really nice Schmidt), this collection has more Yogi's, Koufax's, Feller, Gibson RC, Ford, Mays, Aaron's, etc. It usually contains the top 15 out of 30 cards of each set, but not the top 3 usually.

    One card that Norman insists is in MINT condition is........... 1957 Big Blony Checklist No Number Checklist Series 3/4. That could be BIG!

    It is all going to come down to CONDITION. I am going back on Sunday to pull the top 100 - 200 high value cards and adjust the Beckett pricing according to condition of these cards. The collection will be made public at some point and a Muggyman video will show this gold...

    It's WOW, so freakin wow! I still don't know if it is going to wind up at $25,000, $40,000 or $50,000.

    In my head, I have so much to say and describe what I am seeing, but I don't have time to go on writing. I will be bringing the video camera on Sunday and will strategically show as much as possible... "Put Me in Coach!"

    I am bringing the buyer, who is a friend of mine too - I have disclosed that I work for Norman, the seller...

    DUDES!!!!!!!!!! This collection is a F**KIN dream!!!!!!!!
  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭


    << <i>One card that Norman insists is in MINT condition is........... 1957 Big Blony Checklist No Number Checklist Series 3/4. That could be BIG! >>

    this card has been on my wantlist for a long time - the 4/5 also.
  • Did Norman ever say what happened to the BIG cards that are missing?
    Big Fan of: HOF Post War RC, Graded RCs
    WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
  • <<Did Norman ever say what happened to the BIG cards that are missing? >>

    He has what he has, he does not really remember his rhyme or reason for how/what he collected. It appears to me that he was trying to complete sets every year. The majority of the cards are from him buying them directly from packs, he swears he can remember purchasing the early Bowman packs. He went to shows in the 80's and collected and bought many cards then too. He knew he didn't have a Mantle RC or stuff like that, he does have 2 Sandy Koufax RC, an early Jackie Robinson, stars galore, etc., but I (or he) doesn't know why he never got the BIG BIG money items.

    Believe me, he does have scores of high value cards - again, it will just come down to CONDITION.

    He will get a lot of face time on Sunday with his feedback and I will make him reminisce back to his childhood...
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    I got my popcorn ready!

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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,487 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Mike
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    WTG DAVE ... keep us up to date on the progress.

    Dave ... stop by for a burger while you are in the neighborhood! LOL
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • Downtown1974Downtown1974 Posts: 7,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cant wait to see the new video.
  • flatfoot816flatfoot816 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭
    just catchin up to this thread. So like how many times have you had to change your shorts Mugster?

    Super fun!!
  • I am uploading 20 minutes of video (before my camera died) from today as we speak...

    I wish YOU were there with me. I mean, YOU wish you were there with me!

    It will be uploaded to youtube within the half hour, stay tuned...
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>It will be uploaded to youtube within the half hour, stay tuned... >>



    Muggster .. you only have a couple of minutes left! LOL
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • The deadline has passed, don't make me send Nick and Doug to help you with the upload.
  • >>The deadline has passed, don't make me send Nick and Doug to help you with the upload. >>

    Tell Nicholas and Douglas to hold on a little bit longer...

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    Still 20+ minutes to process on youtube, sorry!

    Here's a preview....
    Bugs and Mugs
  • 123Slider123Slider Posts: 851 ✭✭
    100 Mugs.
    The best pitch to start a hitter off with is always strike one.
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