<< <i>The coin shops behavior is so far from my morals that there way of thinking is totally foreign to me. I just can't imagine having the balls to change an agreed "lock" whether it looked like I would be loosing money or not. To me, it's a clear signal that if they are willing to so easily dishonor a short term lock with someone standing in front of them .... then they are total scumbags that cannot be trusted with anything. If they have balls to do that with a knowlegable collector, then they have balls to screw Grandmother out of 95% of the coins true value. You made a mistake by selling to them. >>
I agree 100%, and I find it a bit disappointing that so many here don't see it that way.
<< I sent an email to Monarch, earlier today, making them aware of this thread. They just replied, said they had posted a response on their blog and asked if I would link it here. So, here it is:
Response from Monarch
------------------------- Mark Feld >>
OMG! What a sob story to escape responsibility & accountabality that gets no sympathy from me. That's typical tactic used by scammers to generate sympathy & pity, deflect the issue, and make them look like the victim. True, our OP could have just walked, but in his mind it was already a done deal and he was not prepared for this sudden high pressure surprise tactic that caught him off guard. Nothing but a modified version of a Bait & Switch.
Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
<< <i><< I sent an email to Monarch, earlier today, making them aware of this thread. They just replied, said they had posted a response on their blog and asked if I would link it here. So, here it is:
Response from Monarch
------------------------- Mark Feld >>
OMG! What a sob story to escape responsibility & accountabality that gets no sympathy from me. That's typical tactic used by scammers to generate sympathy & pity, deflect the issue, and make them look like the victim. True, our OP could have just walked, but in his mind it was already a done deal and he was not prepared for this sudden high pressure surprise tactic that caught him off guard. Nothing but a modified version of a Bait & Switch. >>
Dog, I would never buy from them before or after that story. It makes me appreciate CNI all that much more. Regardless, the OP has the choice of unwinding the deal as of now which is better then he started the day. MJ
MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Bottom line they made an offer sell the coins back and unwind the transaction. I would take them up on it or forever hold my peace. Anything else is water under the bridge at this point. MJ >>
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<< <i>In their response they have offered to return your coins. I think I would take them up on their offer and run! >>
What and give them an opportunity to switch the coins and make even more money on this guy?? The only good solution for Monarch would be to give the guy the money they cheated him out of by unlocking the lock, admit they messed up and move on.
<< <i>Easy there darkwave, posting hostilities on their site is not beneficial at the present time. >>
That was not me that posted that comment, someone is posting as me to further there agenda. Anyone who knows me, would realize that I would not post or act like that.
<< <i>Easy there darkwave, posting hostilities on their site is not beneficial at the present time. >>
That was not me that posted that comment, someone is posting as me to further there agenda. Anyone who knows me, would realize that I would not post or act like that. >>
I don't know how that would further their agenda, as it wold probably hurt their reputation a lot more than it would yours. But, since you didn't write that, if it matters to you, you might consider writing something there and setting the record straight.
<< That was not me that posted that comment, someone is posting as me to further there agenda. Anyone who knows me, would realize that I would not post or act like that. >> Seems highly out of character compared to what you're exhibited here. Probably the company trolling their own site to discredit you since their blog keeps being edited.
Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
<< <i>I don't know how that would further their agenda, as it wold probably hurt their reputation a lot more than it would yours. But, since you didn't write that, if it matters to you, you might consider writing something there and setting the record straight. >>
I tried posting to comments on monarchs blog and it wont post. I had a friend try and still nothing. I am not trying to say anything here, but if no one can post to the comments and yet there is a inflammatory remark posted by someone other than Darkwaverave impersonating Darkwaverave, then who do you think it could be. After all it is a private blog controlled by monarch. Someone please prove me wrong and try posting a comment. I hope that I am wrong, but if I am right then that is dirty pool.
<< <i>In their response they have offered to return your coins. I think I would take them up on their offer and run! >>
What and give them an opportunity to switch the coins and make even more money on this guy?? The only good solution for Monarch would be to give the guy the money they cheated him out of by unlocking the lock, admit they messed up and move on. >>
Two grand would be cheap about now, as damage control is concerned. (But, my view isn't that the OP was "cheated" as much as "swayed easily") That would upset me, too. Dunno if I'd drag it out here, but I'd be flippin' mad. If the dealer opts to give the coins back, that means they want their money as much as the OP wants his coins. Fair exchange or not ?
<< <i>I don't know how that would further their agenda, as it wold probably hurt their reputation a lot more than it would yours. But, since you didn't write that, if it matters to you, you might consider writing something there and setting the record straight. >>
I tried posting to comments on monarchs blog and it wont post. I had a friend try and still nothing. I am not trying to say anything here, but if no one can post to the comments and yet there is a inflammatory remark posted by someone other than Darkwaverave impersonating Darkwaverave, then who do you think it could be. After all it is a private blog controlled by monarch. Someone please prove me wrong and try posting a comment. I hope that I am wrong, but if I am right then that is dirty pool. >>
I think "trolling their own site" is a pretty good guess from what these "people" have demonstrated to this point. All they gotta do is give the guy his $2000+ or- and make it all go away. Otherwise I think their reputation is going to take a hit far in excess of that amount. I'll help in that department all I can. I hate thieves!
<< <i>I don't know how that would further their agenda, as it wold probably hurt their reputation a lot more than it would yours. But, since you didn't write that, if it matters to you, you might consider writing something there and setting the record straight. >>
I tried posting to comments on monarchs blog and it wont post. I had a friend try and still nothing. I am not trying to say anything here, but if no one can post to the comments and yet there is a inflammatory remark posted by someone other than Darkwaverave impersonating Darkwaverave, then who do you think it could be. After all it is a private blog controlled by monarch. Someone please prove me wrong and try posting a comment. I hope that I am wrong, but if I am right then that is dirty pool. >>
I tried posting there before I saw your post here, and thus far, nothing has shown up. So I must agree that they are controlling the content internally. Either that, or there is a time delay involved. I feel that they have hurt their case and reputation based on the way they have (mis)handled this situation.
Between this and the Hockey Puck thread Ralph Nader seems a piker compared to The US Coin Forum
MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I tried posting there, I could not. I believe someone is out to discredit me, or portray me as a half loaded whiner wanting a do-over.
I felt the original post to their blog was a backhanded apology to me, I have stated several times I did not have to sell them the coins, that is my own fault, the biggest issue I had was the line they gave me about just these coin types having a dramatic drop. That was untrue and they didn't address that, that was the reason why I sold to them as I trusted them, as they are/were extremely competitive. Also from their blog, it seems that they do not honor locks of any kind. They have been open for at least a couple of weeks since their unfortunate incident they have probably done multi-millions in sales and buys since then.
I really appreciate all the PM's and forum thoughts on this issue, thanks for the support.
After reading their blog, they can keep my coins, and I will keep my integrity and pride.
<< <i>I tried posting there, I could not. I believe someone is out to discredit me, or portray me as a half loaded whiner wanting a do-over.
I felt the original post to their blog was a backhanded apology to me, I have stated several times I did not have to sell them the coins, that is my own fault, the biggest issue I had was the line they gave me about just these coin types having a dramatic drop. That was untrue and they didn't address that, that was the reason why I sold to them as I trusted them, as they are/were extremely competitive. Also from their blog, it seems that they do not honor locks of any kind. They have been open for at least a couple of weeks since their unfortunate incident they have probably done multi-millions in sales and buys since then.
I really appreciate all the PM's and forum thoughts on this issue, thanks for the support.
After reading their blog, they can keep my coins, and I will keep my integrity and pride. >>
I commend you on the way you have taken responsibility and remained polite, while feeling that you were lied to by someone you trusted and had done considerable business with. I don't think I would have handled it as well as you have.
<< <i>I tried posting there, I could not. I believe someone is out to discredit me, or portray me as a half loaded whiner wanting a do-over.
I felt the original post to their blog was a backhanded apology to me, I have stated several times I did not have to sell them the coins, that is my own fault, the biggest issue I had was the line they gave me about just these coin types having a dramatic drop. That was untrue and they didn't address that, that was the reason why I sold to them as I trusted them, as they are/were extremely competitive. Also from their blog, it seems that they do not honor locks of any kind. They have been open for at least a couple of weeks since their unfortunate incident they have probably done multi-millions in sales and buys since then.
I really appreciate all the PM's and forum thoughts on this issue, thanks for the support.
After reading their blog, they can keep my coins, and I will keep my integrity and pride. >>
What would be worse is if Monarch coin themselves posted under your username here to make you seem like the bad guy. I'm sure DarkWave isn't your first name...right?
The high road seems very suitable in light of what transpired. Well done, sir. MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>I had a couple of bad issues with a coin shop today that left a bad taste in my mouth. I wanted to see what you guys thought.
I went to one of the local coin shops today in Salt Lake City and was selling them a bunch of 90% silver, Morgan’s, and (24) various dated Double Eagles. This shop has a big LCD screen on the wall that tells the coin shops buy and sell prices for a large assortment of different coins and bullion, including Double Eagles in VF, XF, AU, and CU. When you go to sell your coins to them, they create a new invoice and “lock” you in on the price for everything on the screen that shows up on a smaller LCD at the counter.
So I walked up to the counter, had them lock me in and had them start counting up my coins. The prices on the Double Eagles “buy” price had been about $1400 - $1425+ or so for XF or AU St. Gaudens, and Libs. The prices had been roughly the same for at least a week for these types of coins. The guy at the counter gives my Double Eagles to the guy in the back to look at and grade so the counter guy can know what to add to my invoice and pay me. So after about 10 minutes I get the coins back and they say that they are going to now have to change the prices downward and unlock my “locked in” prices, as prices have dropped dramatically for these gold coins I had. Keep in mind that gold was actually up, and not down.
So I waited 5 minutes and they “adjusted their prices”, they dropped about $80 or so in all grades just for the coin types I had, no other prices changed on any of the other 50+ items they have on their LCD monitors. That was almost $2000 difference! I tried to ask about the dramatic drop and was told it was just for those coin types. It was still too early for the other local shops to open and I did not have a Spectrum Bid/Ask sheet in front of me to see what they were paying. I went ahead and sold them (22) of the (24) Doubles Eagles for the adjusted prices as I trusted them on that info, but was still highly irritated that they can negate a “locked” price, but they did not adjust the “locked” price on the silver I was in the process of selling them that went up 15 cents in the time I waited.
I have sold them well over $100,000 in gold and silver the past month or 2 and they have been usually really fair.
The real kicker is that an hour or so later, I called the other shops and they were still paying $1400 or higher for XF/AU Double Eagles and the BID/ASK Sheet for Spectrum today is $1410 for Libs, and $1420 for Saints in only JEWERY/Problem Grades!! Nothing about a dramatic drop in price, I felt that I was deceived by the coin shops “info” and should not have sold.
I know I didn’t have to sell, but I trusted the judgment of this shop that prices had dropped dramatically for Double Eagles. I also don’t understand how they can “lock” and unlock” coin prices to better themselves, but would never let a customer “unlock” and “re-lock” if prices went up.
Sorry for the rant, any comments? >>
I would never walk into that store again, for any reason, unless you wish to be considered a fool.
I've bought & sold bullion over the phone and face-to-face since 1976, and I've never had any company lock in a price for me and then "unlock" it for any reason. In fact, the industry parlance is to "lock in the price" as of the moment you consumate the deal.
Monarch Coins - hmmmm......gotta remember that one.
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Methinks Joe of "Huckleberry Hound" and "Yogi Bear" and now no icon fame has called it right
As for me: "Two wrongs a 'right' does not make"
Wrong #1 Monarch reneges on a "locked" in buy offer Wrong #2 After Monarch renges; OP agrees to sell at the reneged offer and then get's a sudden revelation that he somehow could have got a better deal "after-the-fact" and complains not to the BUYER (Monarch) but to the "discerning" public that is the CU/PCGS Message Boards.
Disclosure: I hate these one-sided "whiney" threads.
In summary, I agree with Joe (sort of)... SOUR GRAPES make great WHINE. I would change that to SOUR GRAPES make great red-WHINE vinagrette. And everyone knows that honey attracts more bees than vinegar.
OK. With no apologies, I just used at least three cliches and I'm proud of it!
Cheers!
Kirk
P.S. The author is in no way responsible for this IMHO! MFAO
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<< <i>Methinks Joe of "Huckleberry Hound" and "Yogi Bear" and now no icon fame has called it right
As for me: "Two wrongs a 'right' does not make"
Wrong #1 Monarch reneges on a "locked" in buy offer Wrong #2 After Monarch renges; OP agrees to sell at the reneged offer and then get's a sudden revelation that he somehow could have got a better deal "after-the-fact" and complains not to the BUYER (Monarch) but to the "discerning" public that is the CU/PCGS Message Boards.
Disclosure: I hate these one-sided "whiney" threads.
In summary, I agree with Joe (sort of)... SOUR GRAPES make great WHINE. I would change that to SOUR GRAPES make great red-WHINE vinagrette. And everyone knows that honey attracts more bees than vinegar. >>
Are you saying he was wrong to trust a dealer, with whom he had done good business previously, get screwed over by the dealers sudden dishonesty, and then complain/warn others about it? The dealer renegged, but gave him what he understood was a valid reason. Their "valid reason" turned out to be a bunch of hooey.
<< <i>Methinks Joe of "Huckleberry Hound" and "Yogi Bear" and now no icon fame has called it right
As for me: "Two wrongs a 'right' does not make"
Wrong #1 Monarch reneges on a "locked" in buy offer Wrong #2 After Monarch renges; OP agrees to sell at the reneged offer and then get's a sudden revelation that he somehow could have got a better deal "after-the-fact" and complains not to the BUYER (Monarch) but to the "discerning" public that is the CU/PCGS Message Boards.
Disclosure: I hate these one-sided "whiney" threads.
In summary, I agree with Joe (sort of)... SOUR GRAPES make great WHINE. I would change that to SOUR GRAPES make great red-WHINE vinagrette. And everyone knows that honey attracts more bees than vinegar. >>
Are you saying he was wrong to trust a dealer, with whom he had done good business previously, get screwed over by the dealers sudden dishonesty, and then complain/warn others about it? The dealer renegged, but gave him what he understood was a valid reason. Their "valid reason" turned out to be a bunch of hooey.
Hindsight = 20/20. >>
Stubby, I'm saying no such thing. The OP's wrong was whining to us here on CU and NOT "WHINING" to Monarch first. This is truly a post-sale remorse story if I ever heard one. And IMO that is where the seller/client is "wrong". Note that I also implicate as the BUYER as being wrong too! To me the cliche: "Two wrongs a 'right' do not make" is apprapos in this transaction-gone-wrong!
Cheers!
Kirk
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Sorry this happened to the OP. So, we have once again a dealer story that might not be true. When are collectors going to get it. I don't care how nice, reputable and honest a dealer has been to me. I'm always going to have eyes wide open, and yes they have given me reason to through the years. My vision is some day all collectors will just say no to the stories.
Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
Lying to a customer or another dealer to get a better price or better deal is stealing, plain and simple. Unfortunately, this is all too prevalent in the coin industry and many do not have the ethics to know the difference. I have had several transactions/partnerships with "honest" dealers, only to find out that the coin sold for more than was disclosed thereby leaving me with less money in my pocket. It happens all the time, and you find out which are the good guys, which is less than 1/10 of 1%
<< <i>Lying to a customer or another dealer to get a better price or better deal is stealing, plain and simple. Unfortunately, this is all too prevalent in the coin industry and many do not have the ethics to know the difference. I have had several transactions/partnerships with "honest" dealers, only to find out that the coin sold for more than was disclosed thereby leaving me with less money in my pocket. It happens all the time, and you find out which are the good guys, which is less than 1/10 of 1%
TRUTH >>
Hey TRUTH Howabout this "truth":
Seller's remorse. Got pissed not b/c he "thought" he was being screwed but b/c he could of sold some bullion at a better price at another venue "AFTER-THE-FACT" and WHINED here FIRST before complaining to the Buyer whom he $100K experience with in the prior two months!!?
Anyway, I have no axe to grind here and I know neither the OP nor the Dealer personally. I think that these one-sided WHINEY threads are a lot of Horse manure. Just MHO!
Cheers!
Kirk
Edited to add" In case you don't know me very well, I'm a contrarion and I love to play Devil's advocate!
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It is interesting that someone using the OP's moniker (sic?) has posted on that blog, but others couldn't paste a response/comment on that blog (myself included as I tried as well).
As is have said before, that was and is not me. There were several posts before they shut down there Blog, heavily edited their reply and amazingly that comment came from nowhere, and nobody including me can respond to it or post.
To Die Clash and others who have not read the whole thread, please read the whole thing, feel free to read the coin shops heavily edited versions of the story on their blog that is linked, it is not one sided, they don't dispute what happened.
<< <i>Got pissed not b/c he "thought" he was being screwed but b/c he could of sold some bullion at a better price at another venue "AFTER-THE-FACT" and WHINED here FIRST before complaining to the Buyer whom he $100K experience with in the prior two months!!? >>
Sellers remorse?? I was upset that I was told an untruth by a coin shop I trusted that cost me 2 grand. It is as simple as that. I didn't have to sell, I did because I trusted what they said. No competition was opened yet for me to verify their story about the drastic price drop. You don't think I complained to them first right when I was there about reneging on a lock and the price drop? They told me the price drop affected all buying of Saints and Libs. I bought it hook line and sinker.
Again, I am not the Darkwave who raves like a madman on their site that nobody can post to or respond now.
One question, who should I have complained to after the fact when I felt I was cheated? Trust me, I complained to the guy in front of me at Monarch about it at the time of the lock change, but was told this big drop had affected what buyers were willing to pay for them everywhere.
This is the most knowledgeable board that I know of about coin related things, and I wanted to know what people thought about what happened. You may get screwed this much in life to where its no big deal, but I just don't get that much excitement.
<< <i>It is interesting that someone using the OP's moniker (sic?) has posted on that blog, but others couldn't paste a response/comment on that blog (myself included as I tried as well). >>
Would it be fair game to suspect Monarch of pulling this off themselves to make DarkWaveRave look bad?
DWR - I think most of us don't have a problem with how you have handled this. You handled yourself fine, with them, and then came here to let it out and also warn others.
Forgive me b/c I've had the advantage of analyzing this transaction "gone-awry" from a mile away and with 20/20 hindsight. I get it that you made your SELL decision within a moment's notice. I'm not bashing you for that. However, I think you are spouting "Buyer's remorse" after-the-fact and you are presenting yourself as a "victim" when truly you made a bad decision to "continue" to close the transaction when you were in doubt! Believe me, I've been there before and my personal experience is the source of my criticism of you're own "less-than-satisfactory" transaction. This is why I conclude that you as a Seller and Monarch as the Buyer are both "wrong". I further offer as support of my position that Monarch didn't come forward until after you dissed them on this website having bypassed any Monarch-supported remedies first.
I don't doubt that you were "injured" in the legal sense. I am dismayed that you first complained on PCGS and not directly with Monarch.
Cheers!
Kirk
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<< <i>To Die Clash and others who have not read the whole thread, please read the whole thing, feel free to read the coin shops heavily edited versions of the story on their blog that is linked, it is not one sided, they don't dispute what happened.
<< <i>Got pissed not b/c he "thought" he was being screwed but b/c he could of sold some bullion at a better price at another venue "AFTER-THE-FACT" and WHINED here FIRST before complaining to the Buyer whom he $100K experience with in the prior two months!!? >>
Sellers remorse?? I was upset that I was told an untruth by a coin shop I trusted that cost me 2 grand. It is as simple as that. I didn't have to sell, I did because I trusted what they said. No competition was opened yet for me to verify their story about the drastic price drop. You don't think I complained to them first right when I was there about reneging on a lock and the price drop? They told me the price drop affected all buying of Saints and Libs. I bought it hook line and sinker
Again, I am not the Darkwave who raves like a madman on their site that nobody can post to or respond now.
One question, who should I have complained to after the fact when I felt I was cheated? Trust me, I complained to the guy in front of me at Monarch about it at the time of the lock change, but was told this big drop had affected what buyers were willing to pay for them everywhere.
This is the most knowledgeable board that I know of about coin related things, and I wanted to know what people thought about what happened. You may get screwed this much in life to where its no big deal, but I just don't get that much excitement. >>
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<< <i> I further offer as support of my position that Monarch didn't come forward until after you dissed them on this website having bypassed any Monarch-supported remedies first. >>
<< <i>I don't doubt that you were "injured" in the legal sense. I am dismayed that you first complained on PCGS and not directly with Monarch. >>
I pretty much felt betrayed, and not really interested in what other wonderful things that Monarch could do for me at the time. I am not looking for redress, or to right a wrong. That is what happened, it was a $2000 lesson, but I thought a few people on the boards would like to hear about it so they can not make the same mistake.
Your comments are appreciated Die Clash as evryones are whatever your position, I had a choice to not sell the coins, it was my decision, my fault as I have said regarding that portion numerous times.
I do not regret posting this thread, it was not a whine or Buyers Remorse, it was Buyers Beware. Life goes on.
<< <i>Got pissed not b/c he "thought" he was being screwed but b/c he could of sold some bullion at a better price at another venue "AFTER-THE-FACT" and WHINED here FIRST before complaining to the Buyer whom he $100K experience with in the prior two months!!? >>
Sellers remorse?? I was upset that I was told an untruth by a coin shop I trusted that cost me 2 grand. It is as simple as that. I didn't have to sell, I did because I trusted what they said. No competition was opened yet for me to verify their story about the drastic price drop. You don't think I complained to them first right when I was there about reneging on a lock and the price drop? They told me the price drop affected all buying of Saints and Libs. I bought it hook line and sinker
>>
I feel your pain. You got screwed. But instead of taking your issue up with those who "Screwed" you, you WHINED here on PCGS. SOUR GRAPES and WHINE lead to a nice wine vinagrette salad dressing. Don't think that I'm against you. Just believe that I've got great empathy for you because "I've been there". It sucks to be us. But I have no sympathy for you're mistake because I've been there and Noone ever gave a crap for me.
Now do you know where I'm coming from? You live, you learn. Get over yourself already!
Cheers!
Kirk
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I understand DieClash, but regardless of your consideration that the OP is whining, I still think that outing them based upon their actions is a valid service.
Was he whinning? I think he was just beeching. He came on here posting an unpleasant experience like everybody else does every other day of the week. Interesting read although it's the same soap opera every time. Big bad weasel seller shanks collector. Collectors say "We feel your pain, brother!" Dealers say "Stupid crybaby, learn how to deal!" Trolls stir the pot behind the scenes. Lynch mob fires the torches; buyer, seller, innocent civlians, doesn't matter, SMOEBODY is getting hung! Mr niceguydealer steps up and saves the day. Mob disperses and goes back home to their boring uneventful lives. A few latecomers stumble across the carcass of a dead horse and lacking direction, beat on it for a while. Smoebody starts a "Post a coin thread" dedicated to it.
Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
<< <i>Was he whinning? I think he was just beeching. He came on here posting an unpleasant experience like everybody else does every other day of the week. Interesting read although it's the same soap opera every time. Big bad weasel seller shanks collector. Collectors say "We feel your pain, brother!" Dealers say "Stupid crybaby, learn how to deal!" Trolls stir the pot behind the scenes. Lynch mob fires the torches; buyer, seller, innocent civlians, doesn't matter, SMOEBODY is getting hung! Mr niceguydealer steps up and saves the day. Mob disperses and goes back home to their boring uneventful lives. A few latecomers stumble across the carcass of a dead horse and lacking direction, beat on it for a while. Smoebody starts a "Post a coin thread" dedicated to it. >>
Rinse and repeat. I was literally laughing out loud. A tear in the eye. Very very funny, well written and quite true. Bullseye...............MJ
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
After watching this story for 8 pages now. I decided to put Monarch Coins on my scum bag and bad traders lists that I keep on other boards. Some are coin related boards that none of you guys know about and some are not coin related, but they will all spread the word. The world needs to know about these guys and guys like them.
<< <i>After watching this story for 8 pages now. I decided to put Monarch Coins on my scum bag and bad traders lists that I keep on other boards. Some are coin related boards that none of you guys know about and some are not coin related, but they will all spread the word. The world needs to know about these guys and guys like them. >>
Good grief!
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<< <i>The coin shops behavior is so far from my morals that there way of thinking is totally foreign to me. I just can't imagine having the balls to change an agreed "lock" whether it looked like I would be loosing money or not. To me, it's a clear signal that if they are willing to so easily dishonor a short term lock with someone standing in front of them .... then they are total scumbags that cannot be trusted with anything. If they have balls to do that with a knowlegable collector, then they have balls to screw Grandmother out of 95% of the coins true value. You made a mistake by selling to them. >>
I agree 100%, and I find it a bit disappointing that so many here don't see it that way.
Response from Monarch
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Mark Feld >>
OMG! What a sob story to escape responsibility & accountabality that gets no sympathy from me. That's typical tactic used by scammers to generate sympathy & pity, deflect the issue, and make them look like the victim.
True, our OP could have just walked, but in his mind it was already a done deal and he was not prepared for this sudden high pressure surprise tactic that caught him off guard. Nothing but a modified version of a Bait & Switch.
<< <i><< I sent an email to Monarch, earlier today, making them aware of this thread. They just replied, said they had posted a response on their blog and asked if I would link it here. So, here it is:
Response from Monarch
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Mark Feld >>
OMG! What a sob story to escape responsibility & accountabality that gets no sympathy from me. That's typical tactic used by scammers to generate sympathy & pity, deflect the issue, and make them look like the victim.
True, our OP could have just walked, but in his mind it was already a done deal and he was not prepared for this sudden high pressure surprise tactic that caught him off guard. Nothing but a modified version of a Bait & Switch. >>
Dog, I would never buy from them before or after that story. It makes me appreciate CNI all that much more. Regardless, the OP has the choice of unwinding the deal as of now which is better then he started the day. MJ
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>blog was taken down! win! >>
I copied the blog before they removed it so if anyone who missed it would like me to post it, just ask.
they edited the blog post down in size. they took out the sympathy part, now that they got called out on it. wow, major fail for this company!
<< <i>Bottom line they made an offer sell the coins back and unwind the transaction. I would take them up on it or forever hold my peace. Anything else is water under the bridge at this point. MJ >>
<< <i>In their response they have offered to return your coins. I think I would take them up on their offer and run! >>
What and give them an opportunity to switch the coins and make even more money on this guy??
The only good solution for Monarch would be to give the guy the money they cheated him out of by unlocking the lock, admit they messed up and move on.
<< <i>Easy there darkwave, posting hostilities on their site is not beneficial at the present time. >>
That was not me that posted that comment, someone is posting as me to further there agenda. Anyone who knows me, would realize that I would not post or act like that.
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<< <i>Easy there darkwave, posting hostilities on their site is not beneficial at the present time. >>
That was not me that posted that comment, someone is posting as me to further there agenda. Anyone who knows me, would realize that I would not post or act like that. >>
I don't know how that would further their agenda, as it wold probably hurt their reputation a lot more than it would yours. But, since you didn't write that, if it matters to you, you might consider writing something there and setting the record straight.
Seems highly out of character compared to what you're exhibited here. Probably the company trolling their own site to discredit you since their blog keeps being edited.
<< <i>I don't know how that would further their agenda, as it wold probably hurt their reputation a lot more than it would yours. But, since you didn't write that, if it matters to you, you might consider writing something there and setting the record straight. >>
I tried posting to comments on monarchs blog and it wont post. I had a friend try and still nothing. I am not trying to say anything here, but if no one can post to the comments and yet there is a inflammatory remark posted by someone other than Darkwaverave impersonating Darkwaverave, then who do you think it could be. After all it is a private blog controlled by monarch. Someone please prove me wrong and try posting a comment. I hope that I am wrong, but if I am right then that is dirty pool.
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<< <i>In their response they have offered to return your coins. I think I would take them up on their offer and run! >>
What and give them an opportunity to switch the coins and make even more money on this guy??
The only good solution for Monarch would be to give the guy the money they cheated him out of by unlocking the lock, admit they messed up and move on. >>
Two grand would be cheap about now, as damage control is concerned. (But, my view isn't that the OP was "cheated" as much as "swayed easily") That would upset me, too. Dunno if I'd drag it out here, but I'd be flippin' mad. If the dealer opts to give the coins back, that means they want their money as much as the OP wants his coins. Fair exchange or not ?
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<< <i>I don't know how that would further their agenda, as it wold probably hurt their reputation a lot more than it would yours. But, since you didn't write that, if it matters to you, you might consider writing something there and setting the record straight. >>
I tried posting to comments on monarchs blog and it wont post. I had a friend try and still nothing. I am not trying to say anything here, but if no one can post to the comments and yet there is a inflammatory remark posted by someone other than Darkwaverave impersonating Darkwaverave, then who do you think it could be. After all it is a private blog controlled by monarch. Someone please prove me wrong and try posting a comment. I hope that I am wrong, but if I am right then that is dirty pool. >>
no, you're right.
All they gotta do is give the guy his $2000+ or- and make it all go away. Otherwise I think their reputation is going to take a hit far in excess of that amount.
I'll help in that department all I can.
I hate thieves!
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<< <i>I don't know how that would further their agenda, as it wold probably hurt their reputation a lot more than it would yours. But, since you didn't write that, if it matters to you, you might consider writing something there and setting the record straight. >>
I tried posting to comments on monarchs blog and it wont post. I had a friend try and still nothing. I am not trying to say anything here, but if no one can post to the comments and yet there is a inflammatory remark posted by someone other than Darkwaverave impersonating Darkwaverave, then who do you think it could be. After all it is a private blog controlled by monarch. Someone please prove me wrong and try posting a comment. I hope that I am wrong, but if I am right then that is dirty pool. >>
I tried posting there before I saw your post here, and thus far, nothing has shown up. So I must agree that they are controlling the content internally. Either that, or there is a time delay involved.
Between this and the Hockey Puck thread Ralph Nader seems a piker compared to The US Coin Forum
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I felt the original post to their blog was a backhanded apology to me, I have stated several times I did not have to sell them the coins, that is my own fault, the biggest issue I had was the line they gave me about just these coin types having a dramatic drop. That was untrue and they didn't address that, that was the reason why I sold to them as I trusted them, as they are/were extremely competitive. Also from their blog, it seems that they do not honor locks of any kind. They have been open for at least a couple of weeks since their unfortunate incident they have probably done multi-millions in sales and buys since then.
I really appreciate all the PM's and forum thoughts on this issue, thanks for the support.
After reading their blog, they can keep my coins, and I will keep my integrity and pride.
<< <i>I tried posting there, I could not. I believe someone is out to discredit me, or portray me as a half loaded whiner wanting a do-over.
I felt the original post to their blog was a backhanded apology to me, I have stated several times I did not have to sell them the coins, that is my own fault, the biggest issue I had was the line they gave me about just these coin types having a dramatic drop. That was untrue and they didn't address that, that was the reason why I sold to them as I trusted them, as they are/were extremely competitive. Also from their blog, it seems that they do not honor locks of any kind. They have been open for at least a couple of weeks since their unfortunate incident they have probably done multi-millions in sales and buys since then.
I really appreciate all the PM's and forum thoughts on this issue, thanks for the support.
After reading their blog, they can keep my coins, and I will keep my integrity and pride. >>
I commend you on the way you have taken responsibility and remained polite, while feeling that you were lied to by someone you trusted and had done considerable business with. I don't think I would have handled it as well as you have.
<< <i>I tried posting there, I could not. I believe someone is out to discredit me, or portray me as a half loaded whiner wanting a do-over.
I felt the original post to their blog was a backhanded apology to me, I have stated several times I did not have to sell them the coins, that is my own fault, the biggest issue I had was the line they gave me about just these coin types having a dramatic drop. That was untrue and they didn't address that, that was the reason why I sold to them as I trusted them, as they are/were extremely competitive. Also from their blog, it seems that they do not honor locks of any kind. They have been open for at least a couple of weeks since their unfortunate incident they have probably done multi-millions in sales and buys since then.
I really appreciate all the PM's and forum thoughts on this issue, thanks for the support.
After reading their blog, they can keep my coins, and I will keep my integrity and pride. >>
What would be worse is if Monarch coin themselves posted under your username here to make you seem like the bad guy. I'm sure DarkWave isn't your first name...right?
The high road seems very suitable in light of what transpired. Well done, sir. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>I had a couple of bad issues with a coin shop today that left a bad taste in my mouth. I wanted to see what you guys thought.
I went to one of the local coin shops today in Salt Lake City and was selling them a bunch of 90% silver, Morgan’s, and (24) various dated Double Eagles. This shop has a big LCD screen on the wall that tells the coin shops buy and sell prices for a large assortment of different coins and bullion, including Double Eagles in VF, XF, AU, and CU. When you go to sell your coins to them, they create a new invoice and “lock” you in on the price for everything on the screen that shows up on a smaller LCD at the counter.
So I walked up to the counter, had them lock me in and had them start counting up my coins. The prices on the Double Eagles “buy” price had been about $1400 - $1425+ or so for XF or AU St. Gaudens, and Libs. The prices had been roughly the same for at least a week for these types of coins. The guy at the counter gives my Double Eagles to the guy in the back to look at and grade so the counter guy can know what to add to my invoice and pay me. So after about 10 minutes I get the coins back and they say that they are going to now have to change the prices downward and unlock my “locked in” prices, as prices have dropped dramatically for these gold coins I had. Keep in mind that gold was actually up, and not down.
So I waited 5 minutes and they “adjusted their prices”, they dropped about $80 or so in all grades just for the coin types I had, no other prices changed on any of the other 50+ items they have on their LCD monitors. That was almost $2000 difference! I tried to ask about the dramatic drop and was told it was just for those coin types. It was still too early for the other local shops to open and I did not have a Spectrum Bid/Ask sheet in front of me to see what they were paying. I went ahead and sold them (22) of the (24) Doubles Eagles for the adjusted prices as I trusted them on that info, but was still highly irritated that they can negate a “locked” price, but they did not adjust the “locked” price on the silver I was in the process of selling them that went up 15 cents in the time I waited.
I have sold them well over $100,000 in gold and silver the past month or 2 and they have been usually really fair.
The real kicker is that an hour or so later, I called the other shops and they were still paying $1400 or higher for XF/AU Double Eagles and the BID/ASK Sheet for Spectrum today is $1410 for Libs, and $1420 for Saints in only JEWERY/Problem Grades!! Nothing about a dramatic drop in price, I felt that I was deceived by the coin shops “info” and should not have sold.
I know I didn’t have to sell, but I trusted the judgment of this shop that prices had dropped dramatically for Double Eagles. I also don’t understand how they can “lock” and unlock” coin prices to better themselves, but would never let a customer “unlock” and “re-lock” if prices went up.
Sorry for the rant, any comments? >>
I would never walk into that store again, for any reason, unless you wish to be considered a fool.
roadrunner
Monarch Coins - hmmmm......gotta remember that one.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>You certainly can't buy advertising like this........and to think it's all free.
roadrunner >>
Behold the power of the internet.
As for me: "Two wrongs a 'right' does not make"
Wrong #1 Monarch reneges on a "locked" in buy offer
Wrong #2 After Monarch renges; OP agrees to sell at the reneged offer and then get's a sudden revelation that he somehow could have got a better deal "after-the-fact" and complains not to the BUYER (Monarch) but to the "discerning" public that is the CU/PCGS Message Boards.
Disclosure: I hate these one-sided "whiney" threads.
In summary, I agree with Joe (sort of)... SOUR GRAPES make great WHINE. I would change that to SOUR GRAPES make great red-WHINE vinagrette. And everyone knows that honey attracts more bees than vinegar.
OK. With no apologies, I just used at least three cliches and I'm proud of it!
Cheers!
Kirk
P.S. The author is in no way responsible for this IMHO!
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<< <i>Methinks Joe of "Huckleberry Hound" and "Yogi Bear" and now no icon fame has called it right
As for me: "Two wrongs a 'right' does not make"
Wrong #1 Monarch reneges on a "locked" in buy offer
Wrong #2 After Monarch renges; OP agrees to sell at the reneged offer and then get's a sudden revelation that he somehow could have got a better deal "after-the-fact" and complains not to the BUYER (Monarch) but to the "discerning" public that is the CU/PCGS Message Boards.
Disclosure: I hate these one-sided "whiney" threads.
In summary, I agree with Joe (sort of)... SOUR GRAPES make great WHINE. I would change that to SOUR GRAPES make great red-WHINE vinagrette. And everyone knows that honey attracts more bees than vinegar. >>
Are you saying he was wrong to trust a dealer, with whom he had done good business previously, get screwed over by the dealers sudden dishonesty, and then complain/warn others about it? The dealer renegged, but gave him what he understood was a valid reason. Their "valid reason" turned out to be a bunch of hooey.
Hindsight = 20/20.
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<< <i>Methinks Joe of "Huckleberry Hound" and "Yogi Bear" and now no icon fame has called it right
As for me: "Two wrongs a 'right' does not make"
Wrong #1 Monarch reneges on a "locked" in buy offer
Wrong #2 After Monarch renges; OP agrees to sell at the reneged offer and then get's a sudden revelation that he somehow could have got a better deal "after-the-fact" and complains not to the BUYER (Monarch) but to the "discerning" public that is the CU/PCGS Message Boards.
Disclosure: I hate these one-sided "whiney" threads.
In summary, I agree with Joe (sort of)... SOUR GRAPES make great WHINE. I would change that to SOUR GRAPES make great red-WHINE vinagrette. And everyone knows that honey attracts more bees than vinegar. >>
Are you saying he was wrong to trust a dealer, with whom he had done good business previously, get screwed over by the dealers sudden dishonesty, and then complain/warn others about it? The dealer renegged, but gave him what he understood was a valid reason. Their "valid reason" turned out to be a bunch of hooey.
Hindsight = 20/20. >>
Stubby, I'm saying no such thing. The OP's wrong was whining to us here on CU and NOT "WHINING" to Monarch first. This is truly a post-sale remorse story if I ever heard one. And IMO that is where the seller/client is "wrong". Note that I also implicate as the BUYER as being wrong too! To me the cliche: "Two wrongs a 'right' do not make" is apprapos in this transaction-gone-wrong!
Cheers!
Kirk
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TRUTH
<< <i>Lying to a customer or another dealer to get a better price or better deal is stealing, plain and simple. Unfortunately, this is all too prevalent in the coin industry and many do not have the ethics to know the difference. I have had several transactions/partnerships with "honest" dealers, only to find out that the coin sold for more than was disclosed thereby leaving me with less money in my pocket. It happens all the time, and you find out which are the good guys, which is less than 1/10 of 1%
TRUTH >>
Hey TRUTH Howabout this "truth":
Seller's remorse. Got pissed not b/c he "thought" he was being screwed but b/c he could of sold some bullion at a better price at another venue "AFTER-THE-FACT" and WHINED here FIRST before complaining to the Buyer whom he $100K experience with in the prior two months!!?
Anyway, I have no axe to grind here and I know neither the OP nor the Dealer personally. I think that these one-sided WHINEY threads are a lot of Horse manure. Just MHO!
Cheers!
Kirk
Edited to add" In case you don't know me very well, I'm a contrarion and I love to play Devil's advocate!
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I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Got pissed not b/c he "thought" he was being screwed but b/c he could of sold some bullion at a better price at another venue "AFTER-THE-FACT" and WHINED here FIRST before complaining to the Buyer whom he $100K experience with in the prior two months!!? >>
Sellers remorse?? I was upset that I was told an untruth by a coin shop I trusted that cost me 2 grand. It is as simple as that. I didn't have to sell, I did because I trusted what they said. No competition was opened yet for me to verify their story about the drastic price drop. You don't think I complained to them first right when I was there about reneging on a lock and the price drop? They told me the price drop affected all buying of Saints and Libs. I bought it hook line and sinker.
Again, I am not the Darkwave who raves like a madman on their site that nobody can post to or respond now.
One question, who should I have complained to after the fact when I felt I was cheated? Trust me, I complained to the guy in front of me at Monarch about it at the time of the lock change, but was told this big drop had affected what buyers were willing to pay for them everywhere.
This is the most knowledgeable board that I know of about coin related things, and I wanted to know what people thought about what happened. You may get screwed this much in life to where its no big deal, but I just don't get that much excitement.
<< <i>It is interesting that someone using the OP's moniker (sic?) has posted on that blog, but others couldn't paste a response/comment on that blog (myself included as I tried as well). >>
Would it be fair game to suspect Monarch of pulling this off themselves to make DarkWaveRave look bad?
You handled yourself fine, with them, and then came here to let it out and also warn others.
Nothing wrong with that, imho
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Forgive me b/c I've had the advantage of analyzing this transaction "gone-awry" from a mile away and with 20/20 hindsight. I get it that you made your SELL decision within a moment's notice. I'm not bashing you for that. However, I think you are spouting "Buyer's remorse" after-the-fact and you are presenting yourself as a "victim" when truly you made a bad decision to "continue" to close the transaction when you were in doubt! Believe me, I've been there before and my personal experience is the source of my criticism of you're own "less-than-satisfactory" transaction. This is why I conclude that you as a Seller and Monarch as the Buyer are both "wrong". I further offer as support of my position that Monarch didn't come forward until after you dissed them on this website having bypassed any Monarch-supported remedies first.
I don't doubt that you were "injured" in the legal sense. I am dismayed that you first complained on PCGS and not directly with Monarch.
Cheers!
Kirk
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<< <i>To Die Clash and others who have not read the whole thread, please read the whole thing, feel free to read the coin shops heavily edited versions of the story on their blog that is linked, it is not one sided, they don't dispute what happened.
<< <i>Got pissed not b/c he "thought" he was being screwed but b/c he could of sold some bullion at a better price at another venue "AFTER-THE-FACT" and WHINED here FIRST before complaining to the Buyer whom he $100K experience with in the prior two months!!? >>
Sellers remorse?? I was upset that I was told an untruth by a coin shop I trusted that cost me 2 grand. It is as simple as that. I didn't have to sell, I did because I trusted what they said. No competition was opened yet for me to verify their story about the drastic price drop. You don't think I complained to them first right when I was there about reneging on a lock and the price drop? They told me the price drop affected all buying of Saints and Libs. I bought it hook line and sinker
Again, I am not the Darkwave who raves like a madman on their site that nobody can post to or respond now.
One question, who should I have complained to after the fact when I felt I was cheated? Trust me, I complained to the guy in front of me at Monarch about it at the time of the lock change, but was told this big drop had affected what buyers were willing to pay for them everywhere.
This is the most knowledgeable board that I know of about coin related things, and I wanted to know what people thought about what happened. You may get screwed this much in life to where its no big deal, but I just don't get that much excitement. >>
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<< <i> I further offer as support of my position that Monarch didn't come forward until after you dissed them on this website having bypassed any Monarch-supported remedies first. >>
<< <i>I don't doubt that you were "injured" in the legal sense. I am dismayed that you first complained on PCGS and not directly with Monarch. >>
I pretty much felt betrayed, and not really interested in what other wonderful things that Monarch could do for me at the time. I am not looking for redress, or to right a wrong. That is what happened, it was a $2000 lesson, but I thought a few people on the boards would like to hear about it so they can not make the same mistake.
Your comments are appreciated Die Clash as evryones are whatever your position, I had a choice to not sell the coins, it was my decision, my fault as I have said regarding that portion numerous times.
I do not regret posting this thread, it was not a whine or Buyers Remorse, it was Buyers Beware. Life goes on.
so could you paraphrase your $2000 lesson and what you would do different if faced with a similar situation at another location?
<< <i>To Die Clash and others...
<< <i>Got pissed not b/c he "thought" he was being screwed but b/c he could of sold some bullion at a better price at another venue "AFTER-THE-FACT" and WHINED here FIRST before complaining to the Buyer whom he $100K experience with in the prior two months!!? >>
Sellers remorse?? I was upset that I was told an untruth by a coin shop I trusted that cost me 2 grand. It is as simple as that. I didn't have to sell, I did because I trusted what they said. No competition was opened yet for me to verify their story about the drastic price drop. You don't think I complained to them first right when I was there about reneging on a lock and the price drop? They told me the price drop affected all buying of Saints and Libs. I bought it hook line and sinker
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I feel your pain. You got screwed. But instead of taking your issue up with those who "Screwed" you, you WHINED here on PCGS. SOUR GRAPES and WHINE lead to a nice wine vinagrette salad dressing. Don't think that I'm against you. Just believe that I've got great empathy for you because "I've been there". It sucks to be us. But I have no sympathy for you're mistake because I've been there and Noone ever gave a crap for me.
Now do you know where I'm coming from? You live, you learn. Get over yourself already!
Cheers!
Kirk
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Interesting read although it's the same soap opera every time.
Big bad weasel seller shanks collector.
Collectors say "We feel your pain, brother!"
Dealers say "Stupid crybaby, learn how to deal!"
Trolls stir the pot behind the scenes.
Lynch mob fires the torches; buyer, seller, innocent civlians, doesn't matter, SMOEBODY is getting hung!
Mr niceguydealer steps up and saves the day.
Mob disperses and goes back home to their boring uneventful lives.
A few latecomers stumble across the carcass of a dead horse and lacking direction, beat on it for a while.
Smoebody starts a "Post a coin thread" dedicated to it.
<< <i>Was he whinning? I think he was just beeching. He came on here posting an unpleasant experience like everybody else does every other day of the week.
Interesting read although it's the same soap opera every time.
Big bad weasel seller shanks collector.
Collectors say "We feel your pain, brother!"
Dealers say "Stupid crybaby, learn how to deal!"
Trolls stir the pot behind the scenes.
Lynch mob fires the torches; buyer, seller, innocent civlians, doesn't matter, SMOEBODY is getting hung!
Mr niceguydealer steps up and saves the day.
Mob disperses and goes back home to their boring uneventful lives.
A few latecomers stumble across the carcass of a dead horse and lacking direction, beat on it for a while.
Smoebody starts a "Post a coin thread" dedicated to it. >>
Rinse and repeat. I was literally laughing out loud.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>The prices on the Double Eagles “buy” price had been about $1400 - $1425+ or so for XF or AU St. Gaudens, and Libs. >>
I haven't read all the posts yet but..............this WAS the buy price and it dropped $80???? Below melt??? You sold them for below melt????
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Now do you know where I'm coming from? You live, you learn. Get over yourself already!
Cheers!
Kirk >>
Wow...crusty, I likey!
The world needs to know about these guys and guys like them.
<< <i>After watching this story for 8 pages now. I decided to put Monarch Coins on my scum bag and bad traders lists that I keep on other boards. Some are coin related boards that none of you guys know about and some are not coin related, but they will all spread the word.
The world needs to know about these guys and guys like them. >>
Good grief!
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