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Do you want some more strike over fantasy coins? Here’s a list to get you started …
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Since we now have a 1964-D Peace dollar that was made from real Peace dollars, perhaps now is the time to add some coins to this list … NOT!!!!!
But here a few …
1959 Cent with the Wheat Ears Reverse. One example reported which most experts have declared to be a counterfeit.
1895 Business Strike Silver Dollar. The reported mintage was 12,000, but none have ever surfaced. All of the known examples are Proofs or impaired Proofs.
1854-C Type II Gold dollar. This coin got a line in the Red Book for many years with a mintage four pieces. Later it was determined that the erroneous mintage was based upon a dummy bookkeeping entry. The coin never existed.
1841-O Half Eagle. The Red Book has a reported mintage of 50 pieces, but none have ever been found. The lone known example was said to have been in the King Faurook (sp) collection, but when the collection was sold there was a large lot of $5 gold coins, and it was not located among them. Jeff Garrett Ron Guth reported the mintage as 8,350 and stated that all of those coins were minted with the date 1840.
But here a few …
1959 Cent with the Wheat Ears Reverse. One example reported which most experts have declared to be a counterfeit.
1895 Business Strike Silver Dollar. The reported mintage was 12,000, but none have ever surfaced. All of the known examples are Proofs or impaired Proofs.
1854-C Type II Gold dollar. This coin got a line in the Red Book for many years with a mintage four pieces. Later it was determined that the erroneous mintage was based upon a dummy bookkeeping entry. The coin never existed.
1841-O Half Eagle. The Red Book has a reported mintage of 50 pieces, but none have ever been found. The lone known example was said to have been in the King Faurook (sp) collection, but when the collection was sold there was a large lot of $5 gold coins, and it was not located among them. Jeff Garrett Ron Guth reported the mintage as 8,350 and stated that all of those coins were minted with the date 1840.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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<< <i>No. The perps. should be striking license plates in the State Pen. >>
-Paul
Perhaps he has broken NO LAWS and and all I hear are a bunch of whining.
Don't cal Daniel a Perp as he is not.
The Law is the Law and appears DC has done his homework and has Broken No Laws.
You guys need to take a chill pill.
I knew it would happen.
I sure as hell ain't gonna let some pissant little, p.o.s. piece of metal slow me down.
The rest of you can go to your graves worrying about this if you want to. Rot in hell worrying about it while you wait to die, if you want to. Silly ol' things.
"Thousands of candles can be lit from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared." Sid
P.S. I'll take a 1981 Peace dollar please!
<< <i>So if this is SO illegal and I am SURE some of you have reported D Carr to the SS, why is he not in jail????
Perhaps he has broken NO LAWS and and all I hear are a bunch of whining.
Don't cal Daniel a Perp as he is not.
The Law is the Law and appears DC has done his homework and has Broken No Laws.
You guys need to take a chill pill. >>
Sellers of unquestionably counterfeit coins on Ebay aren't in jail. That doesn't mean the coins aren't counterfeit. If you wish to support Mr. Carr, there are much stronger arguments that can be made on his behalf.
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<< <i>So if this is SO illegal and I am SURE some of you have reported D Carr to the SS, why is he not in jail????
Perhaps he has broken NO LAWS and and all I hear are a bunch of whining.
Don't cal Daniel a Perp as he is not.
The Law is the Law and appears DC has done his homework and has Broken No Laws.
You guys need to take a chill pill. >>
Sellers of unquestionably counterfeit coins on Ebay aren't in jail. That doesn't mean the coins aren't counterfeit. If you wish to support Mr. Carr, there are much stronger arguments that can be made on his behalf. >>
What US coin did D CARR Counterfeit???? I know of none. Could you please tell me what US coin D car is counterfeiting????
The ones who ARE BREAKING THE LAW are the one who have a real 1964 peace dollar, if they even exist. According to the US GOV the are no real 1964 peace dollars issued so how can he counterfeit a coin that the US Gov says doesn't exist?
<< <i>So if this is SO illegal and I am SURE some of you have reported D Carr to the SS, why is he not in jail????
Perhaps he has broken NO LAWS and and all I hear are a bunch of whining.
Don't cal Daniel a Perp as he is not.
The Law is the Law and appears DC has done his homework and has Broken No Laws.
You guys need to take a chill pill. >>
Totally agree. Unfortunately some here don't know the difference between a "fantasy coin" and a "counterfeit coin". As long as the government claims that all the originals were melted, what Dan Carr is producing is a fantasy coin since the real ones no longer exists.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>So if this is SO illegal and I am SURE some of you have reported D Carr to the SS, why is he not in jail????
Perhaps he has broken NO LAWS and and all I hear are a bunch of whining.
Don't cal Daniel a Perp as he is not.
The Law is the Law and appears DC has done his homework and has Broken No Laws.
You guys need to take a chill pill. >>
Totally agree. Unfortunately some here don't know the difference between a "fantasy coin" and a "counterfeit coin". As long as the government claims that all the originals were melted, what Dan Carr is producing is a fantasy coin since the real ones no longer exists. >>
why did the norfed liberty dollar get nailed to the wall when this seems quite
similar?
this seems rather straight forward to me.
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§ 485. Coins or bars
Whoever falsely makes, forges, or counterfeits any coin or bar in resemblance or similitude of any coin of a denomination higher than 5 cents or any gold or silver bar coined or stamped at any mint or assay office of the United States, or in resemblance or similitude of any foreign gold or silver coin current in the United States or in actual use and circulation as money within the United States;
or
Whoever passes, utters, publishes, sells, possesses, or brings into the United States any false, forged, or counterfeit coin or bar, knowing the same to be false, forged, or counterfeit, with intent to defraud any body politic or corporate, or any person, or attempts the commission of any offense described in this paragraph—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than fifteen years, or both"
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<< <i>So if this is SO illegal and I am SURE some of you have reported D Carr to the SS, why is he not in jail????
Perhaps he has broken NO LAWS and and all I hear are a bunch of whining.
Don't cal Daniel a Perp as he is not.
The Law is the Law and appears DC has done his homework and has Broken No Laws.
You guys need to take a chill pill. >>
Sellers of unquestionably counterfeit coins on Ebay aren't in jail. That doesn't mean the coins aren't counterfeit. If you wish to support Mr. Carr, there are much stronger arguments that can be made on his behalf. >>
What US coin did D CARR Counterfeit???? I know of none. Could you please tell me what US coin D car is counterfeiting????
The ones who ARE BREAKING THE LAW are the one who have a real 1964 peace dollar, if they even exist. According to the US GOV the are no real 1964 peace dollars issued so how can he counterfeit a coin that the US Gov says doesn't exist? >>
Where did I say that he counterfeited a coin (though I think he might be in violation of the Hobby Protection Act)?
I said that "Sellers of unquestionably counterfeit coins on Ebay aren't in jail. That doesn't mean the coins aren't counterfeit. If you wish to support Mr. Carr, there are much stronger arguments that can be made on his behalf."
<< <i>why did the norfed liberty dollar get nailed to the wall when this seems quite similar? >>
Because is was used as currency in commerce as lieu of the dollar within the US. That's a no .. no ...
Fantasy pieces are not used in lieu of existing coin or currency
Until such time as Mr. Carr is convicted of counterfeiting, he must be legally presumed innocent and unimpeded in his personal activities.
Some feel strongly that he knowingly perpetrated the crime of counterfeiting US coinage. But that is, at most, only an opinion. The converse is, also, only an opinion.
<< <i>Unfortunately some here don't know the difference between a "fantasy coin" and a "counterfeit coin". >>
Don't underestimated us! We are well aware of the definitions of a fantasy coin and a counterfeit coin; we just don't think the way you do!
<< <i>As long as the government claims that all the originals were melted, what Dan Carr is producing is a fantasy coin since the real ones no longer exists. >>
The government claims many things to save its butt, and the coin exists in a short period of time.
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<< <i>why did the norfed liberty dollar get nailed to the wall when this seems quite similar? >>
Because is was used as currency in commerce as lieu of the dollar within the US. That's a no .. no ...
Fantasy pieces are not used in lieu of existing coin or currency >>
oh i agree with that part.. in the sense norfed says they were for barter while
the govt will argue they were supposed to be used in a way similar to the dollar.
but the similar part i was talking about is what they were charged with.. and what
laws the govt says they broke. one of them surely does read like the 64D falls under
it..
perhaps one was a real threat to the govt while this is more of a fantasy as you say..
but it just seems like selectively enforcing the laws in this country which is all the
rage now days.
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hey ambro.. some of us do not read this forum as often as others... so beating
a dead horse may not really be the case for some of us.
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The name is LEE!
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<< <i>No. The perps. should be striking license plates in the State Pen. >>
-Paul >>
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