<< <i>I'd like to point out that saying anything is limited in the 80's and 90's isn't saying much. Especially in sets that sell for $5 each, it's hard for me to believe they produced only 2000 sets. >>
And then ran full color ads every month to promote them...and even though they did not sell, he decided, I should use the back cover (the most exspensive ad space) to promote them, and then when they still didn't sell...he made another set....and when those didnt sell, he made the third set. Makes sense to me.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
I would take that bet all day. If that was the case why on earth would there not have been 19,992 Hogan's hit EBAY when severall raw sales were $800 plus??
<< <i>I would take that bet all day. If that was the case why on earth would there not have been 19,992 Hogan's hit EBAY when severall raw sales were $800 plus??
<< <i>I would take that bet all day. If that was the case why on earth would there not have been 19,992 Hogan's hit EBAY when severall raw sales were $800 plus??
Not even close bro. >>
Sincerely,
1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey, Jr.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
I'm confident that there are more than a few of these sets laying around. I'm not trying to devalue them or your investment. I'd say the people that bought them probably opened them up or gave them to their kids. Likewise, there are prob a few cases of these somewhere.
Beating a dead horse here. Sniping ends all this back and forth jacking up the price BS:
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Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Edited: Thursday October 21, 2010 at 1:09 PM by MULLINS5 >>
What's with all the editing?
You showed a whole bunch of Gretzky stickers and for some reason you edited it out?
I think you were making a pretty good point but now all anyone sees is edited by MULLINS5 again. >>
He had to edit the photo because there was a naked midget wrestler in the backbround. >>
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that made me laugh...
...honestly I thought the thread was dead or going to be locked soon - so I made a thread of it....but to put back up what was edited out...here it is:
Here is my example of how a "very rare" limited print run set of cards/stickers dropped drastically in price with one find.
The 1981 OPC Hockey Stickers, they are considered "very rare" because of their short print run. The Gretzky in PSA 8 would sell around the $50-75 range and PSA 9s $125+ For years you could search and search and not find a decent one to sub, then I found a baseball card shop with this hiding in their inventory. All in all I had about 150 of these. Raw they used to sell for $25-40 each and now they go for less than $10 and most of the time less than $5 per. PSA 10s still will command a high price for the Gretzky collectors. Anybody know of any other examples?
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I do think it shows how something that is thought to be hard to come by can in one deal (find) be not so hard to come by and affect the value of the item or items.
I might have a Little Beaver card somewhere, let me look.
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
They look decent, the reality is they are not mint or gem mint and that is why those comand big money. The break up value on lot if you use recent single raw sales is over $400. I won a better lot a week ago for $199 and the guy with 81 feedback thankfully quit bidding. They are a very nice lot that I will submit soon. There might be a few 9's if I am lucky and certainly some 8's. There are a lot of new buyers that are showing up on the bidding lists.
Been away for a while. Just wanted to say that i'm really glad the wrestling threads are still going...If only I'd had that midget photo 2 months ago when Photoshop and Dpeck Facebook pics were crossing paths.
I check on them from time to time but my interest in my collection changes so fast I've put them on the back burner. Still hope to pick up a few of the guys like a Chief Jay Strongbow (mine was creased and it didn't show in the listing), Don Muraco and a few others but I'm in no real hurry and if they go up or down really won't matter to me. Fun watching some of these auctions though.
Mcadams long time no see. Glad you joined the discussion. There are some really great cards for sale on EBAY so if anything they are good watch list material.
I think there is only one way to settle the snipe debate. Someone needs to set up a poll where a click of the button can either agree or disagree with dpecks views on setting up snipe bids. I'll go ahead and predict the outcome will be Alot of votes to 1.
You just don't get it, people want the cards. Go check a few snipe auctions and you will see in many cases higher prices. >>
OMG! I can read. I can look at bid history.
I'm not the financial genius that you are but I can see that sniping would have saved money on EVERY single auction you have ever posted or even mentioned.
Go check the Hogan that ended at $410, was $195 with 15 seconds to go, tell me your theory on how it would have gone for $200. You really don't get it.
I'm cracking open an ice cold Coors light and getting ready to watch the Giants come back and end the Phillies season. The only thing that could make tonight better is if someone would predict the closing price on a few psa graded Hogans, tell us all what they planned to bid, and maybe post a link to an updated guitar video of Dpecks brother. Let the good times roll....
<< <i>Go check the Hogan that ended at $410, was $195 with 15 seconds to go, tell me your theory on how it would have gone for $200. You really don't get it. >>
No, you don't get it. The winning bid WAS a snipe. It just happens to be that you had already dropped out of the bidding on this one.
Look at the bid history. FOUR times you were outbid in a 6 day period and you just bid higher. If you make one snipe, I assure you the high bid is not at $195 on the last day. If the high bid is lower I can also assure you that the final snipes are lower. That's the way sniping works.
I am quite aware how snipping works and there is no doubt it is a great way to win auctions.
That is not in dispute what so ever. The idea that some how this auction would have sold for much less is the dispute. I have consistantly been losing auctions from snipe bidders or run away auctions.
There are examples where bidding wars occur and the price of an auction gets carried away where a hidden buyer comes in at the end and the bidders would have not otherwise thought they neaded to pay as much and the snipe wins at a lower realized price. I don't doubt that.
But on super hot cards it does not work, plane and simple. The snipe finishes on Hogan have been $410, $503, $803, $809 in the past four auctions of raw cards. So once again I contend that in regards to these cards the bidding strategy you recomend will not have either won the auction or would have paid much steaper price.
<< <i>I am quite aware how snipping works and there is no doubt it is a great way to win auctions.
That is not in dispute what so ever. The idea that some how this auction would have sold for much less is the dispute. I have consistantly been losing auctions from snipe bidders or run away auctions.
There are examples where bidding wars occur and the price of an auction gets carried away where a hidden buyer comes in at the end and the bidders would have not otherwise thought they neaded to pay as much and the snipe wins at a lower realized price. I don't doubt that.
But on super hot cards it does not work, plane and simple. The snipe finishes on Hogan have been $410, $503, $803, $809 in the past four auctions of raw cards. So once again I contend that in regards to these cards the bidding strategy you recomend will not have either won the auction or would have paid much steaper price.
Look we are never going to agree on this. >>
So 1st you say sniping won't win these cards. Then you tell me that the Hogans were won by sniping? I think you have confused yourself.
Maybe I can explain this the Sesame Street way.
The high bid is $10. You bid $15. Someone else bids $25. You $50. Other person $100. You $195. I will stop there to keep it simple. If you had never bid in the 1st place, the high bid at that moment is only $10.50 instead of $102.50 ($2.50 over your high bid). A sniper comes in when the current high bid is only $10.50. Do you really think he is going to set a snipe at $400?
The top two bidders for Hogan had no other wrestling bids at all. All other sports.
You watch more and more people will ending wanting a nice Hogan. Many other wrestling sets are not moving but these are the real deal and it will continue to prove itself with the sales results.
That works on your dormant Greg Maddox cards, not on a Hogan or any other card from these sets.
So let me ask you this. Wcsports has a 54 Ted Williams 270651049239, current bid is $300, I checked the SMR yesterday and it is $5400. So if this sits at $300 until the last day I can set a snipe and win at say $1000 instead of $5400???
Get real dude there is a thing called supply and demand.
dpeck, it's best to keep the price of the item as low as possible for as long as possible. When you bid the card up throughout the week you're only opening yourself up to the chance you will end up paying more. Personally, I don't use a sniping service - but I do wait until the last 15-30 seconds to place a bid. Sometimes I will bid a very small amount early just to make sure the buyer doesn't have anything set up against me to keep me from bidding on their auction.
And you never want to bid on top of yourself as a seller will then know you are willing to pay even more.
If I were a shady seller and I saw you bidding throughout the week I may be inclined to use an alt to bid against you.
<< <i>That works on your dormant Greg Maddox cards, not on a Hogan or any other card from these sets.
So let me ask you this. Wcsports has a 54 Ted Williams 270651049239, current bid is $300, I checked the SMR yesterday and it is $5400. So if this sits at $300 until the last day I can set a snipe and win at say $1000 instead of $5400???
Get real dude there is a thing called supply and demand. >>
probably not, but you never know, so why bid it above $1,000 with several days to go?
<< <i>I have a bidding strategy that works for me. If I over pay by a few bucks for a card I really want and win it, I really don't care.
I have a certain amount I am willing to bid at anytime for every single one of these cards and that is why I bid on most. >>
So why not just set the snipe at your max bid? If you win it, odds are you will win it for less than your max and you will not alert the seller or other bidders to your intentions of being a bidder on the card until it is too late for them to act.
Bidding your max has no bearing on whether the card is hot or not. If you are going to be outbid, it is best to be outbid by a snipe rather than by running numerous topping bids and alerting others that there is competition.
I've found that I've saved more by sniping. And also that I've won some "hot" items at prices less than one would've expected.
Yes you do know it wont sell for that. Certain cards are in huge demand and the market price will be realized at the last moment. That is why you can start a high grade expensive card at $0.99 and find the market clearing price efficiantly.
If it is a card not in demand there is no doubt every once in a while you can get a steal. Not on expensive stuff.
If we started a brand new Porsche 911 Turbo at $0.99 it does not matter what the bid is going into the last minute becuase the market is made up of people with an interest in profit. The car would never sell for $60,000. Could it sell for $124,000 or $126,000 with a list of $135,000, maybe, but with profit in mind the buyer at $75,000 could quickly wholesale it for a great amount more and therefore that price gap does not exist. It is very simple.
The thing that drives card prices up is the sense of urgency on the buyer. A nice Hogan for example does not surface every day.
We have seen a larger number of cards surface in the past few months as prices are up and sellers come to market. In this last card that sold, both buyers had never bid in their shown history on wrestling.
They would be more apt to pay a steaper price becuase they don't have any. I have 8 so I am more price concious and will wait for another to surface.
When last 82A sealed sold for $1,050 the two top bidders had no wrestling bids. Same thing here. They outbid me by $450 becuase I had a floor at $600 and they obvioulsy felt a sense of urgency to get the cards.
<< <i>If it is a card not in demand there is no doubt every once in a while you can get a steal. Not on expensive stuff. >>
Falsehood!
There are deals CONSTANTLY. Not always on the specific things that one may be looking for,but they are there. I see plenty of high end, high demand items that sell for less than the traditional standard. VCP will bear this out.
Do you think EVERY Porsche offered would sell for near list? Absolutely not! But there is a level where there MUST be a buyer who has identified the arbitrage on the resale.
Let's use Hogan for example... Raw ones in varying conditions have recently sold from $85 (resold a 11 days later for $158 with a less than honest description) to $410. Looks to me like there's plenty of room for sniping savings...
<< <i>So why not just set the snipe at your max bid? If you win it, odds are you will win it for less than your max and you will not alert the seller or other bidders to your intentions of being a bidder on the card until it is too late for them to act.
Bidding your max has no bearing on whether the card is hot or not. If you are going to be outbid, it is best to be outbid by a snipe rather than by running numerous topping bids and alerting others that there is competition.
I've found that I've saved more by sniping. And also that I've won some "hot" items at prices less than one would've expected. >>
It can't be explained any better than this. The ONLY time I ever bid early in an auction is to kill a BIN because I think it will go for less than the BIN, and I also want to remove the impulse buy that will take the card out of the market. It makes no sense at all to alert other bidders, especially over and over again, that you are interested in the card. As others have pointed out, it invites either shill bids or the competition bidding up a card so as to take money out of your pocket. Put the card on your watch list, set a snipe, and save a whole lot of money. If you miss out on the card, in almost all cases another will eventually wander by. It makes no sense to me to continue to top other bids and throw money out the window.
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<< <i>I'd like to point out that saying anything is limited in the 80's and 90's isn't saying much. Especially in sets that sell for $5 each, it's hard for me to believe they produced only 2000 sets. >>
And then ran full color ads every month to promote them...and even though they did not sell, he decided, I should use the back cover (the most exspensive ad space) to promote them, and then when they still didn't sell...he made another set....and when those didnt sell, he made the third set. Makes sense to me.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
Not even close bro.
<< <i>I would take that bet all day. If that was the case why on earth would there not have been 19,992 Hogan's hit EBAY when severall raw sales were $800 plus??
Not even close bro. >>
Because wrestling collectors are lamb
<< <i>I would take that bet all day. If that was the case why on earth would there not have been 19,992 Hogan's hit EBAY when severall raw sales were $800 plus??
Not even close bro. >>
Sincerely,
1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey, Jr.
<< <i>How did you get pic of DPecks gym workout from today? >>
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help out a novice wrestling card collector. are these guys semi-stars or mega-stars?
Bloody midget wrestlers?
Or Flying midget wrestlers?
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Edited: Thursday October 21, 2010 at 1:09 PM by MULLINS5 >>
What's with all the editing?
You showed a whole bunch of Gretzky stickers and for some reason you edited it out?
I think you were making a pretty good point but now all anyone sees is edited by MULLINS5 again.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
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<< <i>Edited: Thursday October 21, 2010 at 1:09 PM by MULLINS5 >>
What's with all the editing?
You showed a whole bunch of Gretzky stickers and for some reason you edited it out?
I think you were making a pretty good point but now all anyone sees is edited by MULLINS5 again. >>
He had to edit the photo because there was a naked midget wrestler in the backbround.
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<< <i>Edited: Thursday October 21, 2010 at 1:09 PM by MULLINS5 >>
What's with all the editing?
You showed a whole bunch of Gretzky stickers and for some reason you edited it out?
I think you were making a pretty good point but now all anyone sees is edited by MULLINS5 again. >>
He had to edit the photo because there was a naked midget wrestler in the backbround. >>
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
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<< <i>Edited: Thursday October 21, 2010 at 1:09 PM by MULLINS5 >>
What's with all the editing?
You showed a whole bunch of Gretzky stickers and for some reason you edited it out?
I think you were making a pretty good point but now all anyone sees is edited by MULLINS5 again. >>
He had to edit the photo because there was a naked midget wrestler in the backbround. >>
that made me laugh...
...honestly I thought the thread was dead or going to be locked soon - so I made a thread of it....but to put back up what was edited out...here it is:
Here is my example of how a "very rare" limited print run set of cards/stickers dropped drastically in price with one find.
The 1981 OPC Hockey Stickers, they are considered "very rare" because of their short print run. The Gretzky in PSA 8 would sell around the $50-75 range and PSA 9s $125+ For years you could search and search and not find a decent one to sub, then I found a baseball card shop with this hiding in their inventory. All in all I had about 150 of these. Raw they used to sell for $25-40 each and now they go for less than $10 and most of the time less than $5 per. PSA 10s still will command a high price for the Gretzky collectors. Anybody know of any other examples?
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I do think it shows how something that is thought to be hard to come by can in one deal (find) be not so hard to come by and affect the value of the item or items.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
In the first Parkhurst set he has a card
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>Wow a raw set with the big three missing in NM advertised condition at $327 with time to go. These continue to power ahead in a big way! >>
Seems pretty nuts, doesn't it? Photos in the listing are kinda small but some of them appear to have decent centering.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
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Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
<< <i>I won a better lot a week ago for $199 and the guy with 81 feedback thankfully quit bidding. >>
And once again, if you would snipe you would have gotten it for half that price. 14 total bids and you are 7 of them over a 6 day period.
You just don't get it, people want the cards. Go check a few snipe auctions and you will see in many cases higher prices.
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<< <i>Bill,
You just don't get it, people want the cards. Go check a few snipe auctions and you will see in many cases higher prices. >>
OMG! I can read. I can look at bid history.
I'm not the financial genius that you are but I can see that sniping would have saved money on EVERY single auction you have ever posted or even mentioned.
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<< <i>Go check the Hogan that ended at $410, was $195 with 15 seconds to go, tell me your theory on how it would have gone for $200. You really don't get it. >>
No, you don't get it. The winning bid WAS a snipe. It just happens to be that you had already dropped out of the bidding on this one.
Look at the bid history. FOUR times you were outbid in a 6 day period and you just bid higher. If you make one snipe, I assure you the high bid is not at $195 on the last day. If the high bid is lower I can also assure you that the final snipes are lower. That's the way sniping works.
That is not in dispute what so ever. The idea that some how this auction would have sold for much less is the dispute. I have consistantly been losing auctions from snipe bidders or run away auctions.
There are examples where bidding wars occur and the price of an auction gets carried away where a hidden buyer comes in at the end and the bidders would have not otherwise thought they neaded to pay as much and the snipe wins at a lower realized price. I don't doubt that.
But on super hot cards it does not work, plane and simple. The snipe finishes on Hogan have been $410, $503, $803, $809 in the past four auctions of raw cards. So once again I contend that in regards to these cards the bidding strategy you recomend will not have either won the auction or would have paid much steaper price.
Look we are never going to agree on this.
<< <i>I am quite aware how snipping works and there is no doubt it is a great way to win auctions.
That is not in dispute what so ever. The idea that some how this auction would have sold for much less is the dispute. I have consistantly been losing auctions from snipe bidders or run away auctions.
There are examples where bidding wars occur and the price of an auction gets carried away where a hidden buyer comes in at the end and the bidders would have not otherwise thought they neaded to pay as much and the snipe wins at a lower realized price. I don't doubt that.
But on super hot cards it does not work, plane and simple. The snipe finishes on Hogan have been $410, $503, $803, $809 in the past four auctions of raw cards. So once again I contend that in regards to these cards the bidding strategy you recomend will not have either won the auction or would have paid much steaper price.
Look we are never going to agree on this. >>
So 1st you say sniping won't win these cards. Then you tell me that the Hogans were won by sniping? I think you have confused yourself.
Maybe I can explain this the Sesame Street way.
The high bid is $10. You bid $15. Someone else bids $25. You $50. Other person $100. You $195. I will stop there to keep it simple. If you had never bid in the 1st place, the high bid at that moment is only $10.50 instead of $102.50 ($2.50 over your high bid). A sniper comes in when the current high bid is only $10.50. Do you really think he is going to set a snipe at $400?
You watch more and more people will ending wanting a nice Hogan. Many other wrestling sets are not moving but these are the real deal and it will continue to prove itself with the sales results.
So let me ask you this. Wcsports has a 54 Ted Williams 270651049239, current bid is $300, I checked the SMR yesterday and it is $5400. So if this sits at $300 until the last day I can set a snipe and win at say $1000 instead of $5400???
Get real dude there is a thing called supply and demand.
And you never want to bid on top of yourself as a seller will then know you are willing to pay even more.
If I were a shady seller and I saw you bidding throughout the week I may be inclined to use an alt to bid against you.
<< <i>That works on your dormant Greg Maddox cards, not on a Hogan or any other card from these sets.
So let me ask you this. Wcsports has a 54 Ted Williams 270651049239, current bid is $300, I checked the SMR yesterday and it is $5400. So if this sits at $300 until the last day I can set a snipe and win at say $1000 instead of $5400???
Get real dude there is a thing called supply and demand. >>
probably not, but you never know, so why bid it above $1,000 with several days to go?
I have a certain amount I am willing to bid at anytime for every single one of these cards and that is why I bid on most.
<< <i>I have a bidding strategy that works for me. If I over pay by a few bucks for a card I really want and win it, I really don't care.
I have a certain amount I am willing to bid at anytime for every single one of these cards and that is why I bid on most. >>
That's the most important thing -- you know what you are willing to pay from the start.
<< <i>I have a bidding strategy that works for me. If I over pay by a few bucks for a card I really want and win it, I really don't care.
I have a certain amount I am willing to bid at anytime for every single one of these cards and that is why I bid on most. >>
So why not just set the snipe at your max bid? If you win it, odds are you will win it for less than your max and you will not alert the seller or other bidders to your intentions of being a bidder on the card until it is too late for them to act.
Bidding your max has no bearing on whether the card is hot or not. If you are going to be outbid, it is best to be outbid by a snipe rather than by running numerous topping bids and alerting others that there is competition.
I've found that I've saved more by sniping. And also that I've won some "hot" items at prices less than one would've expected.
If it is a card not in demand there is no doubt every once in a while you can get a steal. Not on expensive stuff.
If we started a brand new Porsche 911 Turbo at $0.99 it does not matter what the bid is going into the last minute becuase the market is made up of people with an interest in profit. The car would never sell for $60,000. Could it sell for $124,000 or $126,000 with a list of $135,000, maybe, but with profit in mind the buyer at $75,000 could quickly wholesale it for a great amount more and therefore that price gap does not exist. It is very simple.
We have seen a larger number of cards surface in the past few months as prices are up and sellers come to market. In this last card that sold, both buyers had never bid in their shown history on wrestling.
They would be more apt to pay a steaper price becuase they don't have any. I have 8 so I am more price concious and will wait for another to surface.
When last 82A sealed sold for $1,050 the two top bidders had no wrestling bids. Same thing here. They outbid me by $450 becuase I had a floor at $600 and they obvioulsy felt a sense of urgency to get the cards.
<< <i>If it is a card not in demand there is no doubt every once in a while you can get a steal. Not on expensive stuff. >>
Falsehood!
There are deals CONSTANTLY. Not always on the specific things that one may be looking for,but they are there. I see plenty of high end, high demand items that sell for less than the traditional standard. VCP will bear this out.
Do you think EVERY Porsche offered would sell for near list? Absolutely not! But there is a level where there MUST be a buyer who has identified the arbitrage on the resale.
Let's use Hogan for example... Raw ones in varying conditions have recently sold from $85 (resold a 11 days later for $158 with a less than honest description) to $410. Looks to me like there's plenty of room for sniping savings...
<< <i>So why not just set the snipe at your max bid? If you win it, odds are you will win it for less than your max and you will not alert the seller or other bidders to your intentions of being a bidder on the card until it is too late for them to act.
Bidding your max has no bearing on whether the card is hot or not. If you are going to be outbid, it is best to be outbid by a snipe rather than by running numerous topping bids and alerting others that there is competition.
I've found that I've saved more by sniping. And also that I've won some "hot" items at prices less than one would've expected. >>
It can't be explained any better than this. The ONLY time I ever bid early in an auction is to kill a BIN because I think it will go for less than the BIN, and I also want to remove the impulse buy that will take the card out of the market. It makes no sense at all to alert other bidders, especially over and over again, that you are interested in the card. As others have pointed out, it invites either shill bids or the competition bidding up a card so as to take money out of your pocket. Put the card on your watch list, set a snipe, and save a whole lot of money. If you miss out on the card, in almost all cases another will eventually wander by. It makes no sense to me to continue to top other bids and throw money out the window.
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<< <i> It makes no sense to me to continue to top other bids and throw money out the window. >>
Cuz he's a Baller!