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Another reason why pics should be mandatory. OK not mandatory, but would help to avoid confusion

when you're selling something on the BS&T Board. (I know this isnt the BS&T Board image)

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=791070
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is what it is and there is little that can be done to make something "mandatory" there....and there are plenty of good deals without "mandatory" pictures. Some folks sell way too much for pictures to matter.

    While pictures are nice, they shouldn't be mandatory.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What difference would pics have made?

    "A car is a tool that takes you from one place to another. Everything beyond that is a payment for other people's perception of you."

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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Never seen a roll of roosevelt silver dimes before image

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    TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭


    << <i>What difference would pics have made? >>



    +1
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    SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    I like the BST a lot to buy and sell. I don't at all think pictures should be mandatory. I have never had any issues at all on the BST.
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    piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    What difference would pics have made?


    UMMMM I think the buyer of the first rolls would not have gotten confused and so worked up if they couldve seen that the seller was not selling the SAME Lot. That is, assuming the seller would not have use a "stock" picture. I have yet to sell anything here sight unseen. When I have tried, I had to either post pics here or email them. Just be honest with your damn selves for once and admit that I'm right. People want to see pictures of what they are, potenitally, laying out a lot of $ for. It's always the same old bunch here disagreeing. Must be hell being you always being so confrontational.
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Never seen a roll of roosevelt silver dimes before image >>



    I've got 3.....all OBW...bought on ebay from another forum member (Dave99B) and all toned on the ends.
    Bought another, almost full, roll from a local dealer a few years ago as he had the OBW but had just opened them to start selling as 1-offs.

    They're out there.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,230 ✭✭✭✭✭
    100

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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭
    Yes- rules. We need more rules. Then everything will be better.
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What difference would pics have made?

    Just be honest with your damn selves for once and admit that I'm right. >>



    Nah....I've seen enough drama that I doubt even pics would have helped this one.


    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    The referenced deal looks like a matter of poor communication.
    I don't understand what pictures have to do with it or why you started this thread in the US Coin Forum.
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    piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    Nah....I've seen enough drama that I doubt even pics would have helped this one

    LOL! Now that I will agree with you LOL!!!!! It's just amazing.
    To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What difference would pics have made?


    UMMMM I think the buyer of the first rolls would not have gotten confused and so worked up if they couldve seen that the seller was not selling the SAME Lot. That is, assuming the seller would not have use a "stock" picture. I have yet to sell anything here sight unseen. When I have tried, I had to either post pics here or email them. Just be honest with your damn selves for once and admit that I'm right. People want to see pictures of what they are, potenitally, laying out a lot of $ for. It's always the same old bunch here disagreeing. Must be hell being you always being so confrontational. >>

    I agree that pictures are always desirable. And there is no downside to a little effort on the part of the seller.

    Unfortunately, we're about to hear a lot of contrary opinions from those who sell in quantity to those who can't shoot decent photos.
    Lance.
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    NotSureNotSure Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭
    Coming from someone looking to buy silver, on the BST, that states "I will pay $235 shipped for any .999 10 oz. silver bar ("hallmarked" 10 troy oz. & .999 silver, no Chinese B.S. or hand poured stuff please) & $15.55 x face for non-cull 90% silver coins shipped for Halves, Quarters or Dimes. I respectfully ask for pictures of everything offered."...on Oct 14th.....which would have been spot minus $1.30 and an average of at least $10 cost for shipping on 10 oz. bars.

    I guess, to those thinking of selling to the OP (I've got 2 10 oz bars, 2 1/2 rolls of ASE's to go up on the BST, but imaging a mint tube, and accepting $1.30 under spot, AND cover shipping/del confirm/insurance???), you must be prepared to accept less than anyone except those hotel buyers, as well as take time to image every item. Would that mean an image of each dime in a roll of 50?


    I agree that pictures are always desirable. And there is no downside to a little effort on the part of the seller.

    I agree also, if it's a collectible coin, or slabbed....but ...........
    I'll come up with something.
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd argue that this thread is a perfect example of why links should be mandatory.
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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭
    12 rolls of dimes x 50 pieces in a roll = 600 coins. Seems like a lot of pictures.
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    dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The referenced deal looks like a matter of poor communication.
    I don't understand what pictures have to do with it or why you started this thread in the US Coin Forum. >>


    +1....just trying to stir the pot for no reason....poor form IMHO.
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    Pics add time and work for the many honest sellers of relatively generic items. If a person wants to be a scammer they will find a way. Pics or no pics.

    I vote against the proposal.

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    mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    pictures shouldn't be mandatory though pictures would be great.

    Good communication is mandatory image
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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Another reason why pics should be mandatory... >>

    How about this- if you want pictures and the seller doesn't provide any, you skip his listing and go on to the next.

    You're welcome. image
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    piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    If you think im asking for all 600 coins to be imaged individually, you really need to get a grip on things. In a Lot of 600 coins, simply take a picture of all 600 in a pile or stacked. Now if youre going to sell the exact same thing the same day after you've made deal with someone (which appears to be the case here), simply take another pic maybe piled or stacked in a different way. I really think the buyer, in this particular deal, wouldnt have even blinked if something along those lines had been done. Instead they thought they had been had in some way.

    ok ok, maybe mandatory is over the top and NO im not trying to stir the pot. What mkman123 said is more of what I guess I had intended to convey. So I'll now revise my statement to say exactly what they said:

    pictures shouldn't be mandatory though pictures would be great. Good communication is mandatory
    To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
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    piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    Also, mr. NotSure. You forgot a very important part of my thread you refered, probably conveiniently so, because it takes the hot air from your argument.
    I say in the referenced thread: "If you can get more, God bless you." If you couldve gottten more, AT THAT TIME, more f'in power to you. If anyone is paying ACTUAL melt for 90%, I have a 2 1/2 bags i'd like to sell you.
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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sell many $thousands worth of coins via the BST and to members on the forum via private PM, most of them w/o pics.
    I guess you can make pics MANDATORY when you are a significant owner of PCGS and can make the rules....until then it is what is.
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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If you think im asking for all 600 coins to be imaged individually, you really need to get a grip on things. In a Lot of 600 coins, simply take a picture of all 600 in a pile or stacked. >>

    If they're all in a pile or stacked, how can you be sure they're what the seller says thay are? You can't- you have to trust him.

    Why is that any different than not having a picture in the first place?
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    piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    maybe you guys need to take the time to read my revisions? It's a dead horse now. Except for the part about anyone paying actual melt values for 90% silver. image
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    NotSureNotSure Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭
    Not that I have a problem going back and forth, but the OP just isn't worth my time.

    Also, check your 'buy' thread....doesn't seem like I'm the only one that thinks your requests are out of line. I also NEVER said ONE WORD about paying actual spot.....perhaps you should learn to read, not just between the lines.
    I'll come up with something.
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    piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    Not that I have a problem going back and forth, but the OP just isn't worth my time.

    Likewise, Im more than sure. Like I said, if you can do better, more power to ya bud. My buy prices are always current and very fair as evidenced by scores of transactions here in the short time ive been here, not to mention nearly 8k transactions on eBay ,which I dont do anymore (FEES drover me away to find other venues)
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    << <i>maybe you guys need to take the time to read my revisions? It's a dead horse now. Except for the part about anyone paying actual melt values for 90% silver. image >>



    Retail buyers, and 80%+ forumites buy at retail, are paying over melt for their 90% at other venues. Why wouldn't they pay that when dealing with other forumites? If you want to offer your wholesale buy prices go ahead, but don't think for a moment that retail buyers won't pay full melt, or even a bit above, especially for half dollars, especially for mercs, walkers or older coins. Plenty of folks are moving their better 90% at full melt and sometimes above. Sounds like you are wrong on that one too image


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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes- rules. We need more rules. Then everything will be better. >>



    As long as you treat every buyer the same as you like to be treated as a buyer there's no need for any additional rules.

    Communication throughout the entire transaction is the key.

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    sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    what if the seller has 100 rolls?


    but want to limit their exposure for each sale to, say $1000



    would they take a pic of all 100 rolls and say - you are getting 12 rolls

    or take a pic of each grouping they have to sell?



    confusion starts on BST when sellers do not have a asking price but are looking for offers or best offers
    and then decide after a few days if they really want to sell the item

    confusion is multiplied doing this when they are selling metals that are very volatile and could move over 5% in a day



    many a good eBay sellers have gone bad selling gold they do not have in hand in a very volatile market
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    tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes- rules. We need more rules. Then everything will be better. >>



    ...image
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This thread is useless without pics.


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    and it should be mandatory to put a loupe up to the monitor for closer inspection image
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    MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whenever I hear or read the words "should' or "mandantory", particularly together, things in my body tighten.

    Then I relax a bit and realize this is moralizing.

    It will pass.

    Miles
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    I don't think pictures would have helped at all on this BST thread.

    The BST thread in question


    Perhaps the real problem is just this.

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